CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #18

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  • #681
I can think of a few circumstances where locating Bob's remains might provide some very strong evidence. If items are found with him for example, or if his clothing is not appropriate for the version given, of how and when he disappeared.

Lynsey Eckelund's killer said he lost his temper and killed her when they were in bed together. But she was found with her jacket on.
 
  • #682
We are told - or eventually it was put together somehow, by somone - that Bob was dressed in gleaming white outdoor clothing when he disappeared, head to toe.

I wonder what would happen if remains of clothing other than white ones, should be found when Bob is? A bathrobe, for example?
 
  • #683
Oriah told us about a woman whose husband said she went out running. She had her sneakers on the wrong feet, when she was found.

Another perp in another case, dressed his wife but forgot her underwear.
 
  • #684
Exactly where Bob is found may provide a good indication of who put him there too, I think.
 
  • #685
Galbin,
Welcome to Bob Harrod's thread. Among the threads there have been discussions of repairs being made to an upstairs bathroom by the son-in-law. There has been speculation that some violence occurred there, causing the damage.

It's nice to have another set of eyes on this thread.

Aha, the bathroom makes sense. Particularly given the housekeeper's report of the day...
 
  • #686
At the time Roberta made the statement, "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."

Adding "in the afternoon" in the middle of that sentence is so out of place, it's like a flashing red flag. If you look at the confirmed facts in the timeline, "in the afternoon" speaks loudly that Roberta already knew no one spoke to her dad after 10:00 am and her BIL could not account for his time between the last confirmed phone call and the time the housekeeper arrived. Otherwise there was no reason to add 'in the afternoon' in the middle of that sentence.

I agree Paula sounds genuine in her concern over Bob's grief over losing his first wife. I don't recall Paula ever directly confirming she believe Bob had suffered from dementia. I think she carefully chose her words to not contradict Julie's statement regarding the dementia.

As for Jeff's comment that Bob might have left because he became ill. I think there is a whole lot of partial truth to that and Jeff knows exactly what caused Bob to become ill and what condition Bob was in when he left the house. My first theory is Jeff accidently killed Bob in the upstairs bathroom. Became scared knowing how an accident would appear following the heated family meeting and hid the body. Likely with the help of his son. Since the housekeeper confirmed Bob told her Jeff was coming, I believe there were plans to get some things done around the house. I think a confrontation occurred between Bob and Jeff which led to whatever accident occurred.

My second theory is Jeff arrived at Bob's house shortly after that 10:00 am phone call and walked in on, or shortly after, a confrontation between Bob and his grandson and both Andrew and Jeff cleaned up and accident and hid Bob's body.


I know the grandson had a serious motive, but did Jeff have as strong a motive? Do we know how he and Julia were doing re: finances? I've now watched the episode three times (once more since I originally posted) and am getting the feeling that Paula has been manipulated and may be the one sister that doesn't know much and is just dominated by her other sisters.
 
  • #687
Welcome Galbin!

There seems to be lots of contradictions around Bob's case. The most glaring for me are that the housekeeper's story indicates son in law showed no thought or concern that Bob might be missing, he just got on with his work. But it looks like by the time he got home, he was worried enough to say something to his wife that got her phoning all round telling people Bob was missing.

And I really thought it was strange the way the children expected Fontelle not to return once they told her Bob was missing - it's like they already knew for certain, he was never coming back.

Yes, it is extremely odd that he thought Bob must have gone for a walk because he was ill. Yet this didn't worry him at all. Very, very odd indeed...

Yes, it is strange they thought she wouldn't return!
 
  • #688
That link was disturbing. The person mis-spelled answer and their statement about the house being clear of evidence contradicts the statement of the detective in the shoe...
 
  • #689
July 27th is fast approaching. 5 years since Robert Harrod went missing. Nothing has been found to show what happened to Mr. Harrod. Something happened to him, he's somewhere, he didn't just fall off the face of the Earth and someone knows what happened to Bob. Someone did something to Bob to make him disappear. In my book, the only person who is truly innocent of this whole cast of characters is his wife Fontelle. And she's the only one who had nothing to gain from his disappearance. That can not be said about anyone else who has been waiting 5 years to get their hands on his money. Just saying.
 
  • #690
We are told - or eventually it was put together somehow, by somone - that Bob was dressed in gleaming white outdoor clothing when he disappeared, head to toe.

I wonder what would happen if remains of clothing other than white ones, should be found when Bob is? A bathrobe, for example?

or with some mismatched sheets?
 
  • #691
I know the grandson had a serious motive, but did Jeff have as strong a motive? Do we know how he and Julia were doing re: finances? I've now watched the episode three times (once more since I originally posted) and am getting the feeling that Paula has been manipulated and may be the one sister that doesn't know much and is just dominated by her other sisters.


Hoping this works.

Bob's youngest daughter posted on her community forum on April 22, 2009 that her husband has been laid off "yesterday".
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-County-27-July-2009-12&p=8598728#post8598728

For some reason, I don't think I can get the link for the individual post. The post I am referring to is in thread #12 post #106. Apparently JeM had been laid off just a tad more than 3 months prior to Bob's 'disappearance'.
 
  • #692
Oh gosh yes, how could I have forgotten youngest daughter changed the sheets on Bob's bed because they were cheap and mismatched, the day after he disappeared? I recollect another daughter said it was for Fontelle, but that same daughter was the one who said they didn't expect Fontelle to return from MO?
 
  • #693
I can't get the single posts to link now either Cubby. Perhaps the new version dropped that function - or it works another way now and I haven't discovered it.

ETA - Yes it does work, it just points to the post in the thread now though, instead of going to a single post.
 
  • #694
Oh gosh yes, how could I have forgotten youngest daughter changed the sheets on Bob's bed because they were cheap and mismatched, the day after he disappeared? I recollect another daughter said it was for Fontelle, but that same daughter was the one who said they didn't expect Fontelle to return from MO?

I don't recall which daughter said she didn't expect Fontelle to return.
I do wonder what kind of evidence might exist regarding mass cleaning after the cleaning lady left. The time between the officer leaving Monday evening after the well being check and the time Mrs. Harrod arrived on Wednesday. Sometimes when cases are solved evidence about the attempted clean up helps to convict the perpetrator.....

The Michaels family had unlimited access of Bob's home for about 3 days....I really wonder about what was done between the time of the well being check and the time Mrs. Harrod arrived.
 
  • #695
I've been looking at a lot of searches for missing people recently - old and new, suspicious circumstances or not.

Just in general, it does seem that in wilderness, bodies lodged in rock crevices or which have fallen down rocks into valleys, take the longest to locate. Even buried ones tend to come to the surface eventually and be discovered sooner.

I don't know if any of you saw it, but I posted a thread about a woman who drove off a cliff (she was fine). But her car is only just visible, and I'm sure if it had been green or gray, it might not have been spotted even from the air, until Fall when the leaves came off the trees.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-son-drives-over-200ft-cliff-goes-home-to-bed
 
  • #696
Chief Ward L. Smith seems to have made a few changes on Placentia PD website already - they have a few news items linked on the homepage now.

http://www.placentia.org/index.aspx?nid=17

Is it just me though, or is there no obvious link from the homepage to the missing people's page? I can't even find Bob's notification now, even with a google search.
 
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  • #698
How weird. They still have Shameca Johnson's missing flyer up there, and she was located in Angeles Nat. Forest, August 2013.

I wonder why they haven't updated it, or just removed the flyer? If people see that and know she's found, they might think Bob's probably been found now too.
 
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Skeletal remains have been found in the desert in San Bernardino. But they are right up near Barstow, over two hours journey from Placentia.

No details about gender or age yet at all.

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5235530/
 
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