CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[shefner]

Mrs. Harrod needs new representation! Let me at 'em! (...sadly, I'm not even an attorney, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn and I think I could get something done in this case!)

 

[shefner]

Particularly in combination with the unmade bed.

I have often noticed that it is very difficult to hear anything outside the bathroom while water is flowing in the bathroom but it's quite easy to hear all sorts of movements over the sound of water flowing from outside the bathroom.

This is absolutely the truth. Surely it involves a scientific principle.

 

[shana]

As if I didn't have enough catching-up to do, I decided to run some net searches to see what else I could find out there on-case. Perhaps most of you (especially the hard workers) are well-aware of what I've located. I'm still bookmarking.

Did we know or discuss that one of Bob's daughters apparently supplied info to I.D. for the "Disappeared" episode?

~jmo~

 

[believe09]

As if I didn't have enough catching-up to do, I decided to run some net searches to see what else I could find out there on-case. Perhaps most of you (especially the hard workers) are well-aware of what I've located. I'm still bookmarking.

Did we know or discuss that one of Bob's daughters apparently supplied info to I.D. for the "Disappeared" episode?

~jmo~

How do you mean this? That one or more of them were interviewed or that they contacted Disappeared themselves?

:floorlaugh:

Sorry....

Gitana1, :blowkiss: This case is an addiction. We dragged Oriah in as well...not to mention, shana, Grannie et al.

 

[believe09]

PE posted here for a while early on, Gitana, until one of the daughter's accused him of shocking and illegal and unsavory behavior here on the open board. She apparently apologized, but if you have done any digging you will see that it is their M.O. Bitter, nasty, filthy accusations that are unfounded and shocking...anything to try and get people to stop asking about Bob.

Their primary targets are their step mother and Bob's hairdresser....oh well and Bob.

 

[shana]

How do you mean this? That one or more of them were interviewed or that they contacted Disappeared themselves?

:floorlaugh:

Sorry....

Gitana1, :blowkiss: This case is an addiction. We dragged Oriah in as well...not to mention, shana, Grannie et al.

I found the info on another forum, the one which discusses offers for transplants (does that ring a bell?).

Not sure which daughter it is (yet), but she posts aplenty so there's a clue, perhaps. Posts are recent. On 2nd thought, I'm quite sure it's JuM.

Am I allowed to post a snippet or must I paraphrase?

And yes, I'm addicted to this case (among a very few others) for a host of reasons, many of which are personal to me.

gitana, I can't tell you how happy I am to see you here! Many thanks to believe for alerting you to case.

~jmo~

 

[gitana1]

Gosh, gitana. It's not like you to beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel!

I'm mad! It don't have my beautiful father any more. He died in 2008. I'd give anything to have him back, to see him happy like Mr. Harrod was. The thought that his own family might be responsible, his own kids, my gosh, it's horrible.

I protected my dad when he was dying. He knew he could rely on me and count on me. He felt safe when I was there. The day he died, I had not gotten to the house as early as I usually did each day, until my brother called and said to get there fast. But, my dad held on. I walked in the door, saw one of my brothers and my mom crying by his bed and the nurse checking his heart beat. He was propped up, eyes open and looked at me as I said, "Hi, Pop!". He died right at that moment. He was waiting for me.

So, this really hurts me. Like parents who kill their own babies, it is a betrayal of the most profound trust. It is a desecration of what it means to be human.

SBM

Gitana, I am totally naive. I thought that the whole reason conservators had to report to court was so that there was a check on the power of a conservator. To prevent a conservator from stripping the estate prematurely.

I haven't been able to figure out why the court is letting them get continuance after continuance for not filing the (relatively simple seeming) paperwork that has been called for.

Such is my naivete that I thought judges really hated people who fiddle faddle about and would eventually deliver a judicial slap on the back of the head to a party who kept delaying things.

And yet, it hasn't happened.

I totally do not understand it.

That's exactly what it's for. But it rarely works that way (in many states). We have had major problems with this in California. I gave Believe09 some links about it. Everyone here should read some of them because it's relevant to what's happening here (except usually it's non-family members who do this, although there have been some intra-family murders as one of the links describes:

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/nov/13/local/me-conserve13

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/dec/27/local/me-conservator27

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/15/local/me-conservator15

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/care/The%20War%20on%20the%20Vulnerable.htm

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/care/The War on the Vulnerable.htm

 

[shana]

There is a mother lode of information at the discussion board I referenced above. I've not had the oppty to read thru so much of it, but so far...

Sorry to say, but it could be a game-changer for me.

I'll wait until some of the rest of you read there (or Mods, if I may, post a few hints to those who may need to find it).

~jmo~

 

[Angelo]

There is a mother lode of information at the discussion board I referenced above. I've not had the oppty to read thru so much of it, but so far...

Sorry to say, but it could be a game-changer for me.

I'll wait until some of the rest of you read there (or Mods, if I may, post a few hints to those who may need to find it).

~jmo~

Please do.

 

[Cubby]

I'm mad! It don't have my beautiful father any more. He died in 2008. I'd give anything to have him back, to see him happy like Mr. Harrod was. The thought that his own family might be responsible, his own kids, my gosh, it's horrible.

I protected my dad when he was dying. He knew he could rely on me and count on me. He felt safe when I was there. The day he died, I had not gotten to the house as early as I usually did each day, until my brother called and said to get there fast. But, my dad held on. I walked in the door, saw one of my brothers and my mom crying by his bed and the nurse checking his heart beat. He was propped up, eyes open and looked at me as I said, "Hi, Pop!". He died right at that moment. He was waiting for me.

So, this really hurts me. Like parents who kill their own babies, it is a betrayal of the most profound trust. It is a desecration of what it means to be human.



That's exactly what it's for. But it rarely works that way (in many states). We have had major problems with this in California. I gave Believe09 some links about it. Everyone here should read some of them because it's relevant to what's happening here (except usually it's non-family members who do this, although there have been some intra-family murders as one of the links describes:

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/nov/13/local/me-conserve13

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/dec/27/local/me-conservator27

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/15/local/me-conservator15

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/care/The%20War%20on%20the%20Vulnerable.htm

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/care/The War on the Vulnerable.htm

I haven't made it through these yet, gitana. The last two links are a duplicate. Did you mean to post a different part and inadvertently posted the same link twice?

I'll read through them more carefully after I get the kiddo to school and have enough coffee to fully wake.

I noticed some of them are dated 2005. Can you let us know if there have been any improvements since then? Any updates in the laws? Any advocacy groups out there trying to put a stop to this?

It's heartbreaking to see the elderly can be so easily taken advantage.

Also, I can't help but also think, similiar to what was mentioned in one of the links, Bob just wasn't dying quick enough for his daughters, SIL and grandson.

Will reply more later when I can.

 

[cocomod]

I read here on Bob's thread every day. What a precious, precious story - reuniting with his first love. His picture just makes my heart melt - he just seems to look the perfect picture of a gentle gentleman.

This case is dear to my heart too for personal reasons as well as the love story. My own father passed away a few years ago. My half-sister is the oldest one in the family; and as such she was named as the executor of my father's will. She had not visited my father in 10 years prior to his death. However, when he became ill, the doctors called her to tell her that they could not save him. She sat in his hospital room in the corner for a day, then she told them to take away any "life saving" measures they were giving to him, and the following morning he passed away. His friends described her as cold and they are the ones that said that she sat in the corner rather than by his bedside. She never called me to tell me that he was going to pass. She called me 12 hours AFTER he passed away to tell me.

She basically immediately left the hospital and went to his home to find what could be found. She would not allow me on his property for 2 weeks; and then I could only come when supervised. He had quite a bit of money in his account; and his store was valued in the 6 figure range. She made extremely poor business decisions with his store; and eventually auctioned everything off for pennies. She paid herself and executor's wage of over $3,000 / month while she pilfered everything she could over the next few years. Overall, she paid herself over $200,000 in wages to write 2-3 checks a month as the executor.

Believe me when I tell you that I know greed. I have witnessed greed. I will NEVER understand greed!! My relationships are FAR more important to me than any monetary amount. My family IS my life! I know that the money stays here, but my family will follow me into the afterlife.

My heart bleeds for Fontelle. I cannot imagine the pain and the utter disbelief that she must feel. My own husband could NOT comprehend the greed and the cold-hearted actions of my half-siblings (we shared a father, but we had different mothers).

:gthanks: Thank you so much to those that have dedicated so much time for Bob here on WS. I follow you every day and I appreciate your input and your updates. Now, back to reading and lurking... :lurk:

 

[believe09]

what a horrifying story, cocomod. ((hugs))

 

[believe09]

I found the info on another forum, the one which discusses offers for transplants (does that ring a bell?).

Not sure which daughter it is (yet), but she posts aplenty so there's a clue, perhaps. Posts are recent. On 2nd thought, I'm quite sure it's JuM.

Am I allowed to post a snippet or must I paraphrase?

And yes, I'm addicted to this case (among a very few others) for a host of reasons, many of which are personal to me.

gitana, I can't tell you how happy I am to see you here! Many thanks to believe for alerting you to case.

~jmo~

Link it-I cant wait to read.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Yep...sure smacks of a setup to me (missing keys & wallet).

Not only did the housekeeper apparently surprise JeM by showing-up on the Monday instead of her usual Tuesday, she also well could have shocked the whole bunch of 'em by revealing that tidbit about Bob's unmade bed.

Also to note from the "Disappeared" clip: iirc, the housekeeper (Agnes) looked inside the mailbox to see if Bob had left her a key as he and/or his wife had done on rare occasions in the past if either/both were not going to be home at the time she was due to arrive for work.

~jmo~

I just had a really creepy, creepy thought: I would love to interview the housekeeper to ask about the nature of her conversation with JeM that day.

Specifically, what I'd want to find out is if he tried to ascertain whether there was any record of her changing her day or anyone who knew she'd changed her day to be there.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did fish around for that info and that yes indeedy, either she had it down on a schedule at her home or someone knew she was going to be there.

Because if she hadn't... I wonder if there would be another person missing in the Placentia area?

After all, it is only through her testimony that anyone knew JeM was there that day, that he was doing some repairs and what those repairs consisted of, etc. Plus putting a definite time by which Bob went missing.

 

[GrainneDhu]

This is absolutely the truth. Surely it involves a scientific principle.

It probably does but heck if I know what the explanation is.

It does suggest to me that the easiest way to surprise an elderly man whose ears were just as old as the rest of him was when he was in the bathroom. It's a place that is generally regarded as private. As people get older or disabled, they become more focused on what they are doing in the bathroom because they become concerned with preventing accidents.

And it's a relatively small space where a victim can be trapped by a perp who may not have had much previous experience with murderous assault.

 

[Montjoy]

I just had a really creepy, creepy thought: I would love to interview the housekeeper to ask about the nature of her conversation with JeM that day.

Oh yes. Would love to know if she was asked *not* to clean any areas.

Clearly, JeM wasn't expecting her arrival. If Bob had intended to leave, if only for a walk, one would think that he would have mentioned to JeM that she was coming to clean.

That is, if Bob had the chance.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I'm mad! It don't have my beautiful father any more. He died in 2008. I'd give anything to have him back, to see him happy like Mr. Harrod was. The thought that his own family might be responsible, his own kids, my gosh, it's horrible.

I protected my dad when he was dying. He knew he could rely on me and count on me. He felt safe when I was there. The day he died, I had not gotten to the house as early as I usually did each day, until my brother called and said to get there fast. But, my dad held on. I walked in the door, saw one of my brothers and my mom crying by his bed and the nurse checking his heart beat. He was propped up, eyes open and looked at me as I said, "Hi, Pop!". He died right at that moment. He was waiting for me.

So, this really hurts me. Like parents who kill their own babies, it is a betrayal of the most profound trust. It is a desecration of what it means to be human.



That's exactly what it's for. But it rarely works that way (in many states). We have had major problems with this in California. I gave Believe09 some links about it. Everyone here should read some of them because it's relevant to what's happening here (except usually it's non-family members who do this, although there have been some intra-family murders as one of the links describes:

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/nov/13/local/me-conserve13

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/dec/27/local/me-conservator27

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/15/local/me-conservator15

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/care/The%20War%20on%20the%20Vulnerable.htm

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/care/The War on the Vulnerable.htm

Gitana, those links were horrifying.

And personally terrifying to me. I am all too aware that I am vulnerable due to disability and a history of mental illness (depression and PTSD). I've always thought that if my husband died before me, I'd be okay because my family is tight and I fully trust them to do right by me.

But from reading those links, it sounds like in some states, some people can make a living by swooping in and snatching control away from vulnerable individuals and even from their families.

The judges in those courts, have they no shame at all? They hold positions of honour, they are sworn to uphold the law. The role of the judge is one of the pillars of civilisation itself.

I am just babbling because I am truly shaken.

 

[GrainneDhu]

There is a mother lode of information at the discussion board I referenced above. I've not had the oppty to read thru so much of it, but so far...

Sorry to say, but it could be a game-changer for me.

I'll wait until some of the rest of you read there (or Mods, if I may, post a few hints to those who may need to find it).

~jmo~

Please do. As I understand it, paraphrasing in your own words is acceptable practice at WS.

 

[SuziQ]

How do you mean this? That one or more of them were interviewed or that they contacted Disappeared themselves?

:floorlaugh:

Sorry....

Gitana1, :blowkiss: This case is an addiction. We dragged Oriah in as well...not to mention, shana, Grannie et al.

BBM. It's fantastic to see so many new faces in this thread. Welcome to all of you!

 

[Cazzie]

<modsnip>

Also, I searched PE's (friend and former neighbor of Bob) posts here, and was really touched by his love and respect for Bob. It boggles my mind that he was never (as of his last post here) contacted by PPD. He sure sounds like a wealth of info about Bob, before and after his marriage to Fontelle, and even talked to Bob the day before he disappeared.