CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Andromeda]

I agree. There is no verification that Children’s Aide Society apprehended the baby girl. They may have an open case etc.I think perhaps Daniel may have gone through CAS because he had no way of getting in touch with his baby’s mother.

True. The link to DM saying this is gone. It definitely wasn’t from a news source. So moderators probably felt it wasn’t a legit link/quote. That said, here in Canada, if a parent suddenly has no way of getting in touch with their partner/wants to see their baby and is being denied access by the other parent, typically you hire a family lawyer.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Yes but perhaps that’s just his way of expressing his intention to not give up trying to find them. That’s what it sounds like to me. He has no control over what we read into his statements beyond his actual words.

However I do hope he realizes the situation which will arise if he’s the one who locates the bodies

I understand.

 

[Snoop Sister]

True. The link to DM saying this is gone. It definitely wasn’t from a news source. So moderators probably felt it wasn’t a legit link/quote. That said, here in Canada, if a parent suddenly has no way of getting in touch with their partner/wants to see their baby and is being denied access by the other parent, typically you hire a family lawyer.

I am in Canada. Yes I agree typically, but that could take a while. And, whether he is on the birth certificate or not. If not, it could take a long while. I have another hypothesis for his actions but I feel matters related to child protection are a very private matter.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

He attached a timeline to when he expects he doesn’t have to search for them anymore. jmo

Thank you! You put very succinctly what I was feeling and groping for the words.

 

[Andromeda]

I am in Canada. Yes I agree typically, but that could take a while. And, whether he is on the birth certificate or not. If not, it could take a long while. I have another hypothesis for his actions but I feel matters related to child protection are a very private matter.

I agree. I find it interesting that all the news sources refer to him as the step-father, but the mother refers to DM as her “partner”. So, to me, she is very clear they are not married. I guess he is the baby’s father? No mention of Lily and Jack’s bio dad. Recall Kyron Horman’s parents and step-parents standing united in the beginning.

 

[Andromeda]

I'd ask what his definition of "wilderness searches like this one" is in this context. I can't imagine it would comfortably include wilderness searches involving two children from the same residence who disappeared without trace after having a couple of days absence from school.

Further to your point, the helicopter would have had been using infrared to scan the terrain for body warmth. It would have picked up two ‘live’ children - if their missing time was accurate. They wouldn’t have gotten that far given the reports about how dense and difficult those woods are.

They were absent from school for a couple of days? May 2nd was a Friday. Jack was four so would not have started school yet? (NS starts Kindergarten (Primary) at 5 years; but, I see now they have a voluntary “pre-primary” program.) So was Jack enrolled in pre-primary? Lily was six. Was that a PD day? If no, there is no mention of the kids being sick/the mom calling the school, only them sleeping in and the kids playing in the room next to them.

So the last time Lily (at least) was in school was Tuesday. And her mom called 911 at 10am Friday morning.

 

[iamafiusny]

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I feel like if my kid/s weren't in the yard my first thought would be to see if a neighbor had spotted them or they went to see if a neighbor could play before 911, checking culverts, assuming they wandered into woods (even though a school day a young child might not think about the day/ time especially if they'd had a no school day on Wed).

Jmo

 

[LadyL]

I have never read anything about an argument in the bedroom. Is there a link?

I replied to a comment with a question. You need to ask the OP for a link since they are the ones that stated that info, not me.

 

[craftybatchy]

It would become a matter for Child Protective Services to resolve. That she has concerns and intends to erase the father from this young child’s life is merely speculation at this point but even if she plans to go this route and her concerns are deemed to be legitimate, parental visits are often arranged under supervision to resolve those issues. Canada is known to be very considerate with granting both parents access to their children and so it’s very unlikely the father would be denied access to his child, regardless of what she might want.

I suspect there’s just too much going on right now to deal with visitation arrangements and the public would never know what they agree to as that’s a confidential matter.
JMO

I** NOT implying or otherwise inferring this is what is happening in this matter - just offering insight into how Family Law works on this side of the border **

A parent or guardian may file ex parte (without notice to the other party) for an emergency order allowing for withholding parenting time/contact if they are able to provide evidence to the Court that an imminent threat to the child's safety exists . The other party would be notified via the Court then given opportunity to file a counter application. But generally, an ex parte order happens very quickly and only in extreme circumstances.


a) : She has reasonable grounds to believe parenting time is not in the best interests of the child .
b) : Paternity is in question or it has already been established that the other parent does not have a biological connection to the child that is being with held.

For all we know, there may have been an existing order (specific to the child we believe they share) already in place prior to the siblings disappearance. This happens for a variety of reasons and nothing should be inferred by that. There may have been specifications in that order which allow the Mother to withhold parenting time if certain criteria as stipulated in the Order are present at a given time. Meaning she would not face legal sanctions by withholding.

In this specific situation, I'm relatively certain the Court would err on the side of caution and not order parenting time until issues of concern have been addressed.

(I spent 17 years in Family Court ).

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Is it unusual for two or more young children to become lost together

It does happen that multiple children get lost together. I recall two past cases here that I think have both been removed, because the children were found alive. One was a sibling group that all went missing in the forest while their grandma was preparing food, but they were found within a day or two. And one was a sister and brother who went into nearby woods while their father was preparing to grill in the backyard. Everyone laughed when they asked for a cheese pizza after being rescued 2 days later.

I hope this case has a happy ending, but so much more time has passed.

 

[musicaljoke]

It is similar but not the same. It's a gut thing on my part and I can't quite put it into words.

I'm imagining one of my loved ones going missing and I can't imagine saying I will search for them until I die. It feels very unnatural to me.

I can, however, imagine saying I will search for them until they are found.

Again, JMO.

It's quite probable that none of us have any idea of what we would say in such a traumatic situation. Regardless of how we word it, there will be people who will pick apart our words and say they would have phrased it better.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I replied to a comment with a question. You need to ask the OP for a link since they are the ones that stated that info, not me.

I apologize. Sorry I quoted the wrong post.

 

[Dpdan]

I have never read anything about an argument in the bedroom. Is there a link?

It was a suggestion as to why the children may have left the home. I said something like Lily may have been asked to keep away as she kept waking the baby, and another poster suggested the children could have heard an argument. No facts, just suggestions.

 

[MistyWaters]

A few things
- one smaller window is covered with plastic
- the woodpile suggests the mobile home is heated by a wood stove. But as long and narrow is not conducive to heat distribution, it must get very cold at the back on winter/chilly days.
- there’s a newer Nissan parked to the right. No licence plates indicates it’s unregistered. Just odd, if the couple couldn’t afford to repair the furnace or fix the window why not sell the Nissan that’s not being driven?
All in all, it’s not surprising that Lily might’ve had a cough

Source Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished (sorry this link has become locked again)

 

[AIGT]

A few things
- one smaller window is covered with plastic
- the woodpile suggests the mobile home is heated by a wood stove. But as long and narrow is not conducive to heat distribution, it must get very cold at the back on winter/chilly days.
- there’s a newer Nissan parked to the right. No licence plates indicates it’s unregistered. Just odd, if the couple couldn’t afford to repair the furnace or fix the window why not sell the Nissan that’s not being driven?
All in all, it’s not surprising that Lily might’ve had a cough

Source Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished (sorry this link has become locked again)
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The mother’s car, whichever one that is was purchased only 1 month ago.

Further to your point about selective purchases - the mother is a stay at home mom and the step dads hours have been cut to one day a week according to several news sources.

 

[Andromeda]

This is my observation: LE will tell parents not to talk to reporters about the details of an investigation when they have been cleared and they are sharing details of an investigation with them; however, given what the RCMP has reported about their scope (searching for two kids who wandered off of their own volition/no Amber Alert required,) and what stepfather is sharing with news reporting, it appears there has been a reset and they are interviewing the parents. So, it doesn’t appear both have been cleared. At least not him. It’s usually one's lawyer that tells [them] to zip it because their words will be analyzed and used against them in a court of law. So given that the grandmother said “LE” told them not to talk to the reporters, either the mother has been cleared, or, I’m wondering if mom has a lawyer.

I find the stepfather’s 100% cooperation and his reporting of it to the press, to the detail, and he offering to take a polygraph versus the mother’s behaviour interesting. From when LE pulled them both into the first debrief, it is reported she bailed part way into it to an ambulance. Her mother picked her up and took her and the baby away. From that point onwards the stepfather reported the mom blocked him on social media, etc. and ghosted him. So there is a “fracture” there.

I did come across a timeline of events, and quotes of him trying to access time with his baby; but all the news sources around that have been deleted probably because of confidentiality/Privacy Act.

Given the mother's statement around what happened May 2nd up to the 911 call and what “she” wants, the use of the “I” and “we” pronouns, her seeking sanctuary at her parents’ home, imo, it appears to me like she’s throwing him under the bus.

One would think both knows what happened May 2nd as well as the days leading up to the 911 call since it appears all five were home from Tuesday onwards. I’ve read Lily got off of the bus Tuesday. So she was alive Tuesday. Wednesday was Truth and Reconciliation Day (national holiday) so no school. No mention of playdates with other kids in the neighbourhood, or anything like that. And that Lilly had a cough so she was kept home Thursday and apparently Friday. I also read the step-father worked at a mill but work was quiet. Not sure if he was home the whole week or just part of it. Given that both report they were in bed together Friday morning, I would say he was off Wednesday (national holiday) and Friday (he in bed that morning with the mother and getting up together, and he searching before the call). The mother is a full-time mom with an 18-month(?) baby. Usually a baby at that age, if the age is correct, is in their sleep routine and up early in the morning. Not sure how both parents could be snoozing/laying in bed until whatever time with three kids under six.

I think given the father’s cooperativeness and willing to talk to the press about everything, means he didn’t “do" anything. Unless we're looking at another Casey Anthony who actually walked LE to an office door she insisted was her’s, but literally had to come clean at its threshold that she was lying. I’m really wondering now if these two were “separated" and he was couch surfing at his friend’s, that he dropped in Friday morning to see his baby and that’s when all hell broke loose. Purely speculation on my part.

 

[doublestop]

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I feel like if my kid/s weren't in the yard my first thought would be to see if a neighbor had spotted them or they went to see if a neighbor could play before 911, checking culverts, assuming they wandered into woods (even though a school day a young child might not think about the day/ time especially if they'd had a no school day on Wed).

Jmo

Does immediately racing out to check culverts strike anyone else as odd? I don't think that would even occur to me until long after I'd been searching through the woods, asking the neighbors, etc.

 

[Bigditch]

A few things
- one smaller window is covered with plastic
- the woodpile suggests the mobile home is heated by a wood stove. But as long and narrow is not conducive to heat distribution, it must get very cold at the back on winter/chilly days.
- there’s a newer Nissan parked to the right. No licence plates indicates it’s unregistered. Just odd, if the couple couldn’t afford to repair the furnace or fix the window why not sell the Nissan that’s not being driven?
All in all, it’s not surprising that Lily might’ve had a cough

Source Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished (sorry this link has become locked again)
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Good catch on the license plate.

 

[kritafo]

Does immediately racing out to check culverts strike anyone else as odd? I don't think that would even occur to me until long after I'd been searching through the woods, asking the neighbors, etc.

the first thing I would have done was ask grandma and uncle if kids were with them after looking through my own house.

 

[sunflowermomma]

Does immediately racing out to check culverts strike anyone else as odd? I don't think that would even occur to me until long after I'd been searching through the woods, asking the neighbors, etc.

A culvert has water in it, right? As a kid there were several streams and culverts in the woods I played in. I don't find it odd that they would check potential water areas first if they knew the kids knew where they were. Accident in water can be more dangerous or deadly than accident on dry ground, so it makes sense they would want to clear the most dangerous areas first. All MOO!