Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[CanadianMade]

I'm saying the call wasn't from them. It was from someone with a satellite phone or landline.

Makes more sense, though that is one more possible witness that we are choosing not to believe.
So which ones do we believe, and which ones do we not believe?
How does one decide?

 

[Esprite]

Perhaps one of the suicides was recorded; hence, the RCMP's reluctance to release anymore information to the families, at least for the time being.

 

[Zella]

Wow all the bombshells in this case happen when I'm away from the computer!

I can't quite compute them leaving a goodbye and wishes for their remains with some of their more nihilistic actions. It does sound like the video might be part of some larger confession. I hope so.

I also noted the RCMP is promising info in a couple of weeks versus a few, which further suggests a confession.

I've said this before, but what an utterly grim way to go out with your childhood friend. Just senseless. All of it.

 

[CinNC]

Not only is the cost prohibitive, but I don't imagine the remains were viable enough to make it "worthwhile" (not the best word to describe this). After self inflicted gunshot wounds, decompisition after a few days in the woods and then havin been autopsied, I'm thinking cremation would have almost been a nececessity.

 

[sandbar]

Makes more sense, though that is one more possible witness that we are choosing not to believe.
So which ones do we believe, and which ones do we not believe?
How does one decide?

I believe he received a call. I don't believe it was K&B, he wasn't certain either, which is what I'm basing my opinion on.

ETA: Which witnesses don't you believe?

 

[CinNC]

You raise an interesting point...

Or, on July 19 before they begin the run to Manitoba.

I'd bet they did it early in their run. They may have never expected to get as far as they did.

 

[scrappinkat]

"We have committed to providing an update with regards to this investigation in a couple of weeks," RCMP senior media-relations officer Staff Sgt. Janelle Shoihet said in an email. "We will not be confirming any further details in advance of that update."
B.C. manhunt suspects recorded final message on phone found with bodies, family says

A couple of weeks, good to know. That’s remarkably soon!

The RCMP declined to comment on the existence of such a video.

I get the reasons RCMP have for not releasing details but sometimes it seems a little like a defensive action rather than proactive for the sake of the case IMO. A reporter could ask them if the sky really was blue on a sunny day and the answer would most likely be we can neither confirm nor deny.

 

[CinNC]

Sounds like there was a confession on the video and that's why it's going to be so fast. JMO.



Wouldn't be surprised.

Also if they left a goodbye for their families that indicates to me some level of connection to their old lives still, maybe even some regret. JMO.

I'm curious to find out if Kam said goodbye to his little sister. Or, asked his parents to do it for him.

 

[KR72]

I wonder what their wishes for their remains were and whether or not there is any obligation to honour them? Not on the taxpayers dime, hopefully.

 

[CanadianMade]

I believe he received a call. I don't believe it was K&B, he wasn't certain either, which is what I'm basing my opinion on.

ETA: Which witnesses don't you believe?

I don't believe, or disbelieve any of them at this point.

 

[sandbar]

There were also numerous photojournalists posting photos of the area While the search was taking place...until they were asked not to by LE. And even then, some of them still did.

And I would bet they sent those photos by sat phone.

 

[CanadianMade]

And I would bet they sent those photos by sat phone.

Yes, okay, so are you saying that Bryer and Kam had a sat phone as well then?
Sat phones can also be tracked.

 

[Arizona 123]

Can police and hackers really track you with your phone? | Digital Trends

If there wasn't any cell phone service out there then how was the cab driver they apparently may have called, called from there?

ETA: Your smartphone can be tracked even if GPS, location services are turned off

The above only (with one exception) apply if the device can transmit. Airplane mode is about the only thing that somewhat reliably stops them from doing so - it's mandated by the US FAA, due to concerns that radio frequency transmissions could harmfully interact with aircraft nav and flight control systems. I believe, but do not know, that Canadian aviation authorities have similar rules for devices.

The exception, of course, is if the device is hacked. Any software-controlled feature (such as airplane mode) can be bypassed this way. The only secure safeguard is a physical switch that interrupts a wire. One of my laptops has that; an airplane mode physical switch breaks the connection to the WiFi antenna, so it's not vulnerable to a software hack bypass.

As for the phone call to the taxi driver; was it ever confirmed that was the suspects? Even if so, and even if the authorities were able to figure out a location via cellular records, they might only have had the phone on for a few minutes, which would tell the authorities where the phone was at that point in the past.

Basically, if something isn't transmitting, you can't track it.

 

[MistyWaters]

The RCMP declined to comment on the existence of such a video.

I get the reasons RCMP have for not releasing details but sometimes it seems a little like a defensive action rather than proactive for the sake of the case IMO. A reporter could ask them if the sky really was blue on a sunny day and the answer would most likely be we can neither confirm nor deny.

The family members aren’t commenting either. I’m surprised CTV was able to contact “several” of them.

“CTV News also contacted several family members of both McLeod and Schmegelsky on Monday, though all declined to comment on the alleged video.”
Manhunt suspects recorded final video on cellphone: report

 

[sandbar]

Yes, okay, so are you saying that Bryer and Kam had a sat phone as well then?
Sat phones can also be tracked.

No. I am saying that anyone who is familiar with the area, such as a resident, a cab driver or news outlets would have a sat phone to communicate because they know the area. K&B, it seems, had at least 1 cellphone and for the most part, travelling across almost all of Manitoba, IMO they would not have had cell or internet service. Perhaps there was spotty access around Gillam, maybe enough to load a small web page, but not much more.

 

[CanadianMade]

The family members aren’t commenting either. I’m surprised CTV was able to contact “several” of them.

“CTV News also contacted several family members of both McLeod and Schmegelsky on Monday, though all declined to comment on the alleged video.”
Manhunt suspects recorded final video on cellphone: report

I was just about to post this one.
Interesting that it was a family member who apparently told the media about this video yet none of the family members will make a comment. So who is it that went to the media and stated this video was shown to them?

 

[Zella]

Thought: maybe Bryer asked to be buried in his new suit after all?

 

[CanadianMade]

No. I am saying that anyone who is familiar with the area, such as a resident, a cab driver or news outlets would have a sat phone to communicate because they know the area. K&B, it seems, had at least 1 cellphone and for the most part, travelling across almost all of Manitoba, IMO they would not have had cell or internet service. Perhaps there was spotty access around Gillam, maybe enough to load a small web page, but not much more.

One little bit of access would allow them to be tracked though. As soon as that phone was turned on(if it had been turned off) they would be able to track them. So if they had a cell phone with them the whole time it was never turned on, or at least not once they were on the run, though as I said before if they had filmed it prior to say the 21st then it wouldn't matter.

 

[CanadianMade]

The above only (with one exception) apply if the device can transmit. Airplane mode is about the only thing that somewhat reliably stops them from doing so - it's mandated by the US FAA, due to concerns that radio frequency transmissions could harmfully interact with aircraft nav and flight control systems. I believe, but do not know, that Canadian aviation authorities have similar rules for devices.

The exception, of course, is if the device is hacked. Any software-controlled feature (such as airplane mode) can be bypassed this way. The only secure safeguard is a physical switch that interrupts a wire. One of my laptops has that; an airplane mode physical switch breaks the connection to the WiFi antenna, so it's not vulnerable to a software hack bypass.

As for the phone call to the taxi driver; was it ever confirmed that was the suspects? Even if so, and even if the authorities were able to figure out a location via cellular records, they might only have had the phone on for a few minutes, which would tell the authorities where the phone was at that point in the past.

Basically, if something isn't transmitting, you can't track it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/...-police-canada-imsi-catcher-privacy-1.4066527

Canadian cops admit to using Stingray devices to track cellphones en masse

ETA: The only thing that would be in the way of tracking a cell phone for them would be them needing a warrant and I don't expect it would have been hard to get in this instance.

 

[Arizona 123]

Not only is the cost prohibitive, but I don't imagine the remains were viable enough to make it "worthwhile" (not the best word to describe this). After self inflicted gunshot wounds, decompisition after a few days in the woods and then havin been autopsied, I'm thinking cremation would have almost been a nececessity.

I suspect that you are correct.

This may also explain why the RCMP (assuming the reports are correct) decided to share this part of the video (dealing with the suspect's preferences for the disposition of their remains) with the families now; perhaps the ashes are being released to the families.

If the families had not been allowed to know of the suspect's wishes until after they'd done something with the remains, the families would could well have been upset, and IMHO rightfully so. There's no harm, now, to the investigation via informing them, so no reason to deny them (the families) the choice to grant the final requests or not. Not out of consideration to the suspects, but to the families.