Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

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One little bit of access would allow them to be tracked though. As soon as that phone was turned on(if it had been turned off) they would be able to track them. So if they had a cell phone with them the whole time it was never turned on, or at least not once they were on the run, though as I said before if they had filmed it prior to say the 21st then it wouldn't matter.

And who knows? maybe LE did locate a signal, and that's what lead them to the bodies. Maybe K&B turned it on to record their message and left it on?

 

[FactFinder3000]

Can police and hackers really track you with your phone? | Digital Trends

If there wasn't any cell phone service out there then how was the cab driver they apparently may have called, called from there?

ETA: Your smartphone can be tracked even if GPS, location services are turned off

That article says nothing about airplane mode.

Your phone cannot be tracked when in airplane mode. It turns off the cell radio, wifi, and bluetooth. Your phone goes radio silent in order not to disturb the sensitive electronics in an airplane.

 

[CanadianMade]

And who knows? maybe LE did locate a signal, and that's what lead them to the bodies. Maybe K&B turned it on to record their message and left it on?

Yup, very easily could be that though I would think if they had cell phones with them the whole time that wouldn't be the first time they turned it on. For all we know they could have been tracking that phone(s?) the whole time, but I don't think they would have been asking for the public's help as much as they did if that were the case. IMO

 

[cartman]

I think Kam and Bryer did their best to evade detection and pings on their phones. But I do wonder if they checked in at all online throughout their ‘joyride’. When their Instagram accounts were first posted I had a look - I could swear that Bryer’s profile pic was NOT that pic of him and Kam that is there now.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Makes more sense, though that is one more possible witness that we are choosing not to believe.
So which ones do we believe, and which ones do we not believe?
How does one decide?

Substantiated sightings or unsubstantiated?

Don't believe the unsubstantiated ones (like this one).

 

[CanadianMade]

That article says nothing about airplane mode.

Your phone cannot be tracked when in airplane mode. It turns off the cell radio, wifi, and bluetooth. Your phone goes radio silent in order not to disturb the sensitive electronics in an airplane.

That's because I wasn't talking about airplane mode at that point, however it Does actually mention airplane mode.

"If you suspected your phone were being tracked and wanted to start covering your tracks without snapping it in half, your first bet might be to simply turn on airplane mode. That won’t cut it."

Common Myths about Cellphone Tracking - Safeguarde.com

Google is tracking you even with Airplane Mode turned ON

 

[KR72]

Thought: maybe Bryer asked to be buried in his new suit after all?

Possible, but with no disrespect to his family, hopefully he didn't get his wish if that's what he said. It's doubtful that the bodies would be intact after the suicide and being out in the bush for days anyway, but there's no way this psycho should get his wishes granted. /end rant, lol

 

[10ofRods]

I mean, I'm not surprised. But like...what a thing for their families to have to see. I wonder if we will ever know what they said?

The main thing I'm surprised about is that they had battery left on their phones.

Not surprised at all about the battery issue. So many ways to deal with that.

I doubt we'll ever know what they said. I think the families may find some kind of closure from what they said (or their attempt to say it). Most of their behavior (IMO) can be regarded as more meaningful to their families than to us; the trigger that made them leave home and B.C. and go on this spree are rooted in those family dynamics, expectations, and probably, recent conversations and limits.

The posts on this forum regarding the subculture to which we know K and B belonged are very helpful in understanding their worldview and predicament.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there | The Star

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there

Good read!

 

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The family members aren’t commenting either. I’m surprised CTV was able to contact “several” of them.

“CTV News also contacted several family members of both McLeod and Schmegelsky on Monday, though all declined to comment on the alleged video.”
Manhunt suspects recorded final video on cellphone: report

I'm with you: several? When no one was talking, except AS. Seems sketchy to me.

 

[Arizona 123]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/...-police-canada-imsi-catcher-privacy-1.4066527

Canadian cops admit to using Stingray devices to track cellphones en masse

ETA: The only thing that would be in the way of tracking a cell phone for them would be them needing a warrant and I don't expect it would have been hard to get in this instance.

None of those methods (Stingray and similar) could be used on a device that is not transmitting. Overriding airplane mode would require a prior hack.

As the article you linked mentions, Stingray et. al. use IMSI-catching, basically intercepting (sometimes via impersonating a cell tower) communications. Thus, the device has to be transmitting something. If it isn't transmitting, Stingray has about as much chance of tracking it as it does of tracking a brick. Same with turning the phone all the way off; it does not transmit when fully off (though like any other software-controlled command, it can be hacked, and may only appear off, but still be transmitting.).

If, however, the suspects were operating their phones without airplane mode (or with a hack-compromised airplane mode) and within a cellular coverage area, there are a plethora of ways to track them (smartphones are essentially spying devices by their nature), and they can even be tracked in areas without cell coverage (the phone is still trying to ping for a tower) though the latter would require some airborne DF (direction-finding) gear to triangulate the location.

ETA: The link you posted above has a slightly misleading title;
Google is tracking you even with Airplane Mode turned ON
What the phone is actually doing is spying on your movements and logging them, then transmitting them after airplane mode is off. Not while it's on.

 

[CanadianMade]

Substantiated sightings or unsubstantiated?

Don't believe the unsubstantiated ones (like this one).

The Only substantiated sighting by RCMP was the one in Meadow Lake and one in Gillam that we've never even heard about until the latest PC....I think they mentioned it, though that could have been another 'credible' source sighting. I will watch it again. It could have been an article..which would mean the only substantiated sighting is the one in Meadow Lake.

 

[CanadianMade]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> ... I work for Rogers Communications. I Promise you they can track your phone while in airplane mode. I also promise you they can track Some phones while turned off.

 

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None of those methods (Stingray and similar) could be used on a device that is not transmitting. Overriding airplane mode would require a prior hack.

As the article you linked mentions, Stingray et. al. use IMSI-catching, basically intercepting (sometimes via impersonating a cell tower) communications. Thus, the device has to be transmitting something. If it isn't transmitting, Stingray has about as much chance of tracking it as it does of tracking a brick. Same with turning the phone all the way off; it does not transmit when fully off (though like any other software-controlled command, it can be hacked, and may only appear off, but still be transmitting.).

If, however, the suspects were operating their phones without airplane mode (or with a hack-compromised airplane mode) and within a cellular coverage area, there are a plethora of ways to track them (smartphones are essentially spying devices by their nature), and they can even be tracked in areas without cell coverage (the phone is still trying to ping for a tower) though the latter would require some airborne DF (direction-finding) gear to triangulate the location.

ETA: The link you posted above has a slightly misleading title;
Google is tracking you even with Airplane Mode turned ON
What the phone is actually doing is spying on your movements and logging them, then transmitting them after airplane mode is off. Not while it's on.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, very interesting.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The two teenagers suspected of shooting dead Australian tourist Lucas Fowler and his US girlfriend Chynna Deese on a Canadian highway rampage left a "last will and testament" video message.

Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 19, recorded the video message on their mobile phones before taking their own lives in remote bushland in northern Manitoba, the Toronto Star reported on Monday.

About 30 seconds of the video was shared with family members of the former fugitives.

McLeod and Schmegelsky said goodbye to their families in the video and described their wishes for their remains, according to a family member interviewed by the Star.

The video could be the key to explaining why the two teenagers, who weeks before were working at Walmart, would suddenly become killers.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police are reportedly in possession of the full video recording.
https://7news.com.au/news/crime/canadian-teens-shot-final-video-message-c-408500

 

[sandbar]

What if you take the SIM card out of your phone. Could you have your phone on and record without being tracked?

 

[Snoop Sister]

What if you take the SIM card out of your phone. Could you have your phone on and record without being tracked?

No

 

[MistyWaters]

Sounds like there was a confession on the video and that's why it's going to be so fast. JMO.

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The BC RCMP already had evidence when the two were named suspects in three murders prior to the discovery of their bodies. That’s what I’m interested in, the reason police named them as fugitives after they fled east. If it was only on a hunch solidified by a confession after they were found dead, I don’t think the general public would be very satisfied with that given the significant intensity of the manhunt.

 

[CinNC]

The family members aren’t commenting either. I’m surprised CTV was able to contact “several” of them.

“CTV News also contacted several family members of both McLeod and Schmegelsky on Monday, though all declined to comment on the alleged video.”
Manhunt suspects recorded final video on cellphone: report

The same article says, "The video was reported to show McLeod and Schmegelsky saying goodbye and describing their last wishes for their remains, according to a family member interviewed in the story."