Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[otto]

Not victim-blaming in any form or fashion, and almost no one saw it as such. And while we are on the subject, we probably need to be reminded again that BS's father is considered a victim as well, regardless of how we may personally feel about him shirking any parental responsibilities. JMO

Bryer's father made public statements about his irresponsible parenting. Who does he think was responsible for teaching his 5 year old son to ride a bike?

 

[scrappinkat]

As one of several who suggested that LD may have possessed a gun, for protection against wildlife moreso than from other people, as he was camping alone in a rather remote area, I welcome the statement from his brother that he would not have had one. I only wish the same indignation over a suggestion that he may have been armed was evident in other speculation posted here, much of it far wilder than that. JMO

Pssst it was his sister who was interviewed and said that.

 

[Esprite]

Sounds like Leonard Dycks father was possibly one of the exceptions as he did own a hunting rifle. I’m sure even with it in his ownership he was still devout and also a pacifist.

The original Mennonite settlers were granted military exemption by the Canadian government.

Many settled in places where hunting would be a necessity for survival.

 

[SteveP]

Pssst it was his sister who was interviewed and said that.

Thank you! I edited my post.

 

[NJSleuth91]

It seems that violent men across Canada can and do figure out how to obtain guns. What makes these two murderous thugs different?

Yes and sometimes they get them through theft. And if they had one gun and murdered someone with it and the murder victim had a gun, well, then they have two guns. I don't know why you are so offended by that it was considered as a possibility. Owning a gun does not make someone less of a victim if they are murdered.

 

[MistyWaters]

Two birds with one stone - no more online speculation that the murderers acquired their weapons from the murder victims. I've actually never seen that line of reasoning before - where the poor little murderers had to obtain weapons from their victims in order to commit murder, presumably meaning that they only committed murder because their victims had weapons.

These two murdering thugs from BC had real guns that they obtained for the purpose of killing people, and they used strangers as target practice. They are vicious, violent men who are entirely responsible for their choices and actions. The victims are not responsible for providing weapons to the murderers.

Thankfully, the family has made a statement to clarify this point.

Clearly robbery was involved in the crime or the two would’ve have been driving his car. So whether LD carried a weapon for protection from wildlife or not and that got taken along with the other contents of his vehicle isn’t what stood out to me most, when reading his sisters writings.

It was his kindness, his gentleness, a person who can’t have posed any threat to them, somebody who’d be more inclined to resort to reason as a means of defence in a dangerous situation. But IMO the two wanted his car in order to flee. What other reason did they have to steal a car and leave the owner dead if not because they began to fear their distinctive truck and camper was sighted on dashcam footage along the Alaskan Highway the night of July 14th?

 

[otto]

BBM

I didn’t get the impression that’s what anyone had been trying to suggest. If that’s how you were reading it I can understand your almost stubborn rebuttal of the idea.

IMO some people have questions/confusion about where they could have obtained a firearm, but that doesn’t mean they were blaming or considering the victims responsible, or even that Kam and Bryer were not responsible for any of their actions. People simply ask questions when they want to understand.

There are many possibilities.

Campbell River - less than 100 miles from Port Alberni

"More than 100 guns, handguns, shotguns and assault-style rifles were seized. Many were prohibited firearms such as a WWII Bren machine gun with a tripod,” said an RCMP media release.

“Investigators also located what can be described as homemade silencers, zip guns, prohibited over capacity magazines and untraceable firearms.”

Police said none of the weapons found at Green’s residence were locked or stored properly, and some were loaded."​

February 8, 2019
Vancouver Island police seize huge trove of guns, explosives, homemade silencers

 

[Gina20]

Well, at least we can all agree that all three victims were kind people. Someone else said that many threads ago.

 

[KR72]

There are many possibilities.

Campbell River - less than 100 miles from Port Alberni

"More than 100 guns, handguns, shotguns and assault-style rifles were seized. Many were prohibited firearms such as a WWII Bren machine gun with a tripod,” said an RCMP media release.

“Investigators also located what can be described as homemade silencers, zip guns, prohibited over capacity magazines and untraceable firearms.”

Police said none of the weapons found at Green’s residence were locked or stored properly, and some were loaded."​

February 8, 2019
Vancouver Island police seize huge trove of guns, explosives, homemade silencers

Possible. I still think the guns came from one of the suspects' famlies. I am not blaming the family if that's the case either, btw. Even if KM or BS got one or both of the guns from their parents' homes, that doesn't mean that their parents were irresponsible gun owners or just gave the two the weapons just because.

I just think that sometimes the simplest answer is correct, but of course anything is possible.

 

[Gina20]

Another irony: everyone these two encountered on their path to self-destruction seemed to be kind people. Look at the Beardy family in northern Manitoba.

Maybe in all the faces of kindness -- Billy Beardy realized they could have been watching his family -- their violence and anger toward others was extinguished. So much kindness.

 

[NJSleuth91]

It was his kindness, his gentleness, a person who can’t have posed any threat to them, somebody who’d be more inclined to resort to reason as a means of defence in a dangerous situation. But IMO the two wanted his car in order to flee. What other reason did they have to steal a car and leave the owner dead if not because they began to fear their distinctive truck and camper was sighted on dashcam footage along the Alaskan Highway the night of July 14th?

My feeling is he likely didn't even get a chance to get a word in and try to reason with them before they started shooting

 

[Gina20]

Possible. I still think the guns came from one of the suspects' famlies. I am not blaming the family if that's the case either, btw. Even if KM or BS got one or both of the guns from their parents' homes, that doesn't mean that their parents'were irresponsible gun owners or just gave the two the weapons just because.

I just think that sometimes the simplest answer is correct, but of course anything is possible.

Those guns may have come from a locked gun cabinet, and I wouldn't be surprised if a relevant key was found on that key ring in Manitoba. We do not know who any of those items on the key ring belonged to. It would be logical if one has many items to gather them all in one place on one key ring. Easier to stay organized that way, when you're on the run.

 

[KR72]

Another irony: everyone these two encountered on their path to self-destruction seemed to be kind people. Look at the Beardy family in northern Manitoba.

Maybe in all the faces of kindness -- Billy Beardy realized they could have been watching his family -- their violence and anger toward others was extinguished. So much kindness.

Yes, three gentle, peace-loving souls taken by these horrible young men. Isn't it strange how LF and LD appear to be kindred spirits in so many ways? Even LD with his long hair in his youth...Strangers who never met, but who would have probably have loved one another's company, and then tied together forever through such a brutal attack.

 

[MistyWaters]

My feeling is he likely didn't even get a chance to get a word in and try to reason with them before they started shooting

Maybe not but I think they chatted with the Professor at some point, enough to know he was from Vancouver and was travelling alone, therefore increasing the odds a missing persons alert wasn't issued immediately by travel compassions. Or if they had chosen a victim who lived locally, who’s car they eyed, they might not have made it past the B.C. border because the description of the vehicle would’ve been known early on.

 

[MistyWaters]

Possible. I still think the guns came from one of the suspects' famlies. I am not blaming the family if that's the case either, btw. Even if KM or BS got one or both of the guns from their parents' homes, that doesn't mean that their parents were irresponsible gun owners or just gave the two the weapons just because.

I just think that sometimes the simplest answer is correct, but of course anything is possible.

I can get beyond somebody lending a gun to another adult who’s spending time in remote areas if that person had prior knowledge about gun safety, who’s known to be totally responsible and clearly possesses sound judgement. But somebody giving a gun to a 18 and 19 travelling together who have spent years immersed in playing violent video games pretending to be killers - no way! What would they have needed a gun for anyway, as they were supposed to be travelling directly to Whitehorse looking for work?

I think we’ll learn the guns were either stolen or purchased illegally.

 

[1987]

dbm

 

[scrappinkat]

There are many possibilities.

Campbell River - less than 100 miles from Port Alberni

"More than 100 guns, handguns, shotguns and assault-style rifles were seized. Many were prohibited firearms such as a WWII Bren machine gun with a tripod,” said an RCMP media release.

“Investigators also located what can be described as homemade silencers, zip guns, prohibited over capacity magazines and untraceable firearms.”

Police said none of the weapons found at Green’s residence were locked or stored properly, and some were loaded."​

February 8, 2019
Vancouver Island police seize huge trove of guns, explosives, homemade silencers

25 related firearm charges against Mr Green, one was pointing his handgun at a person, and he’s out on bail.

 

[10ofRods]

I don't think it's that. His father said he never learned to ride a bike either, so he probably never had a desire in the first place.

I think that's taking Alan S's quote out of context in a significant way. AS was using that example to show how no one bothered to care much about BS. That there was no dad to teach him (or buy him one).

There's a window of opportunity for teaching such things (and jump rope and a bunch of other things). It's much harder to learn to ride a bike at, say, 15. And who would loan their own bike to BS for him to drop on the ground as he's learning? Many people are terrible teachers (of bike riding).

So, BS may well have wanted to be mobile, to ride a bike and roam and to drive a car. But never got the opportunity.

 

[10ofRods]

Thanks for photos -- haven't seen these before.

Is it possible the white tarp is where the body was located?

If so, this confirms to me that the alleged teen killers wanted the bodies to be found soon.

Bodies were not hidden - very visible from the roadway.

Or simply didn't care, one way or another, whether bodies got found. They burnt their bridges when they killed Lucas and Chynna, then they burnt their truck. They knew there was no going back to their previous life at that point. If they detested their previous life, they were going to detest prison even more.

At that point, as it probably was from the beginning (whether conscious or not) it was a suicide mission. The whole thing could be construed as a massive, heinously destructive cry for help. But at 18-19 years of age, the only source of the help was from within the individuals. Instead, they supported each others' narratives about how effed up the world is, how everyone dies anyway, how their lives were going to suck, how they might as well get off this ride before the ride broke down any more (which is how many young people see the world, they're not alone).

 

[scrappinkat]

I can get beyond somebody lending a gun to another adult who’s spending time in remote areas if that person had prior knowledge about gun safety, who’s known to be totally responsible and clearly possesses sound judgement.

It is still illegal if that person doesn’t have their PAL, no matter how responsible they are. The majority of PAL owners know the rules of law and abide by them. I suppose that’s one reason people are trying to figure out about the origin of the firearms said to be used by Kam and Bryer.

I think you’re right about the possibility of them having been stored illegally or more likely stored legally but perhaps stolen by someone who took opportunity of a family bond that included trust.