Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[acutename]

Clearly robbery was involved in the crime or the two would’ve have been driving his car. So whether LD carried a weapon for protection from wildlife or not and that got taken along with the other contents of his vehicle isn’t what stood out to me most, when reading his sisters writings.

It was his kindness, his gentleness, a person who can’t have posed any threat to them, somebody who’d be more inclined to resort to reason as a means of defence in a dangerous situation. But IMO the two wanted his car in order to flee. What other reason did they have to steal a car and leave the owner dead if not because they began to fear their distinctive truck and camper was sighted on dashcam footage along the Alaskan Highway the night of July 14th?

they could have taken the car without killing him- it is a big wilderness- they could have dropped him somewhere inconvenient, but apparently they
had no real qualms about killing. my worst fear is that he actually was killed because he was friendly and tried to help them in some way and they used that against him as a weakness, because that is so despicable, IMO.

 

[Optics]

Those guns may have come from a locked gun cabinet, and I wouldn't be surprised if a relevant key was found on that key ring in Manitoba. We do not know who any of those items on the key ring belonged to. It would be logical if one has many items to gather them all in one place on one key ring. Easier to stay organized that way, when you're on the run.

I am confident the RCMP know at this point exactly where the guns came from, doesn't matter if there are any on the key ring

 

[Optics]

Actually, it has been stated that Walmart does sell ammo in Canada, under tight security measures, but they do not sell guns.

I have to wonder if on their night shift at Walmart, part of their plan was to steal some ammo for their plan to do what they did.

 

[Arizona 123]

I know one MSM article said rifles, but I don't know where it was from, or whether it was accurate.

There is a lot of theft in Port Alberni apparently. But like...the thing that prevents me from thinking they were experienced thieves or whatever before this is that they were awful at getting away with crime. I just can't see them actually succeeding in stealing guns and not getting caught. Unless it was from a family member where it was really easy to access and unlikely the family member would check on it in the next week or so. JMO.

One the family member angle, I had a thought on that, but I'd like to propose it as a pure hypothetical. Suppose that one of the two suspects was having some kind of bitter feud with a family member. Something really bad, a hate-hate relationship. Suppose that suspect knew that the family member owned illegal guns. Stealing them to go on a killing spree might thus make a twisted kind of motive. (would this make the family member both criminally and civilly liable?)

Or, on a non-family angle. If the suspects stole guns that were not in compliance with the law, I'm guessing the theft victim might not be eager to report the theft.

 

[SteveP]

I have to wonder if on their night shift at Walmart, part of their plan was to steal some ammo for their plan to do what they did.

It may very well have been their plan, but based on what a poster stated that had worked at a Walmart in Canada, the store manager on duty is very hands on in every aspect of handling ammo, from receiving it, to securing and storing it, to selling it. I took from that it would be very difficult for an employee to steal. JMO

 

[JudgeJudi]

I have to wonder if on their night shift at Walmart, part of their plan was to steal some ammo for their plan to do what they did.

You might like to read this from Thread 5:

CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #5

 

[acutename]

I never implied that it was "weird" to not have a license. I'm older, so everyone I know couldn't wait to get a license at age 16 and even started learning at age 13 or 14. In his case, I still believe he had no desire. Who knows, they could have obtained a bike from a thrift store when he was quite young, surely that would have been affordable. Perhaps he tried, but kept falling off and just gave up. Some kids figure "they'll never get it" so give up. There could be all sorts of reasons, but this is my hypothesis.

FWIW, I have seen no mention of him doing any sports or anything requiring coordination. Did I miss anything?

 

[10ofRods]

One the family member angle, I had a thought on that, but I'd like to propose it as a pure hypothetical. Suppose that one of the two suspects was having some kind of bitter feud with a family member. Something really bad, a hate-hate relationship. Suppose that suspect knew that the family member owned illegal guns. Stealing them to go on a killing spree might thus make a twisted kind of motive. (would this make the family member both criminally and civilly liable?)

Or, on a non-family angle. If the suspects stole guns that were not in compliance with the law, I'm guessing the theft victim might not be eager to report the theft.

...or owned any guns at all?

The presence of guns in a house, owned by the adults, is a kind of power play. Legal or not, taking the guns of that person sends a message. About who is in control.

After reading the last few posts, I'm thinking that stealing from a neighbor is highly, highly unlikely. Would be a family member OR some internet transaction.

 

[SteveP]

You might like to read this from Thread 5:

CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #5

Thank you for finding and posting this so quickly. Your response is far more helpful than mine.

 

[Zella]

FWIW, I have seen no mention of him doing any sports or anything requiring coordination. Did I miss anything?

Bryer's great uncle said he belonged to no teams. Bryer's dad also said he got him the airsoft rifle as an incentive to get him outside and off the computer. So, yeah, I don't think he was into sports.

Edited to add: I've wondered if his height made him awkward. I've known other teens a similar size who were very uncoordinated. I say this as someone much shorter with no physical coordination whatsoever. LOL

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have to say that originally I did not think it was him right up this week, I do have to say the hand in the pocket which Kam never removed in the video, is similar to his action. hmmm

Another poster mentioned RCMP said it wasn't him but I missed that and assuming it was the same guy in same vid clip! I still find them extremely similar though.

 

[Zella]

Duplicate post DBM

 

[10ofRods]

I never implied that it was "weird" to not have a license. I'm older, so everyone I know couldn't wait to get a license at age 16 and even started learning at age 13 or 14. In his case, I still believe he had no desire. Who knows, they could have obtained a bike from a thrift store when he was quite young, surely that would have been affordable. Perhaps he tried, but kept falling off and just gave up. Some kids figure "they'll never get it" so give up. There could be all sorts of reasons, but this is my hypothesis.

Who is the "they" in this scenario, though? AS says no one was willing to teach him (meaning, apparently, his mother and/or mother/stepdad combo or even including the Grandma). Someone had to support BS's attempts to acquire a bike from a thrift store.

Unless someone says he had a bike (which I think AS implies strongly he did not), he didn't get that particular experience in independence. For me, as a kid from a particular kind of home, my early paychecks all went into a bike (for independence). But my dad, with his flaws, still made sure I knew how to ride one by the time I was 6-7 (and trust me, that was considered late in my neighborhood and it took some patience from my dad - we didn't have training wheels and no one needs training wheels if some adult cares to teach them).

 

[10ofRods]

they could have taken the car without killing him- it is a big wilderness- they could have dropped him somewhere inconvenient, but apparently they
had no real qualms about killing. my worst fear is that he actually was killed because he was friendly and tried to help them in some way and they used that against him as a weakness, because that is so despicable, IMO.

Very possible (which gets into the realm of personality analysis).

I think it's fair to say they had no qualms about killing, even that they wanted to kill. Maybe they only wanted to kill people who appeared nice. We may never know.

But yes, perhaps being "nice" was regarded as a very useless trait.

No one had to die in this scenario, if all that the perps wanted were things. There's an extra layer (let's just call it "mental issues" or "craziness" at play in this case).

 

[NJSleuth91]

One the family member angle, I had a thought on that, but I'd like to propose it as a pure hypothetical. Suppose that one of the two suspects was having some kind of bitter feud with a family member. Something really bad, a hate-hate relationship. Suppose that suspect knew that the family member owned illegal guns. Stealing them to go on a killing spree might thus make a twisted kind of motive. (would this make the family member both criminally and civilly liable?)

That's a really good theory. They were teenagers so I imagine the "screw our parents" thing was strong with them, as we speculated was one motivation behind burning the truck/camper with the gaming computer and all their stuff. Also kind of would put the "our parents told us to go on a long joyride" comment into perspective. That could also be the "trigger" we were talking about, maybe a really bad fight or something.

Or, on a non-family angle. If the suspects stole guns that were not in compliance with the law, I'm guessing the theft victim might not be eager to report the theft.

Yeah but in that case there would be some sort of "vigilante justice" on the part of the victim, I imagine....

FWIW, I have seen no mention of him doing any sports or anything requiring coordination. Did I miss anything?

He skateboarded (the friend that he wanted to "speak of politics" with said they met at a skate park).

 

[Zella]

He skateboarded (the friend that he wanted to "speak of politics" with said they met at a skate park).

SBM

That's a good catch! I had forgotten about that. Kam's friend who was interviewed for 60 Minutes Australia was also a skateboarder. I wonder if Bryer actively skateboarded or if he just hung out there.

 

[1987]

what I keep thinking about them working at walmart is that they could have met people of almost any type in the parking lot. I don't know about in Canada but here there is most always at least 15 trucks parked that may not be walmart trucks and 12 campers and who knows how many living in their car. half the parking lot looks like a camp ground for non traditional campers.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Very possible (which gets into the realm of personality analysis).

I think it's fair to say they had no qualms about killing, even that they wanted to kill. Maybe they only wanted to kill people who appeared nice. We may never know.

But yes, perhaps being "nice" was regarded as a very useless trait.

No one had to die in this scenario, if all that the perps wanted were things. There's an extra layer (let's just call it "mental issues" or "craziness" at play in this case).

I totally agree. I don't think the murders were about theft, getting the van, getting ID, etc. or even necessary. I think they got the guns before the trip with intent to use them.

I'm not sure it'd be easy to acquire a black market gun here on Vancouver Island. The only thing I can think of is through gangs and Hells Angels (guessing) connections to get one which I'm doubting these guys had.

I'm veering towards stolen from family or maybe another one of their friend's family homes. Unless it comes back these two were doing B&Es or something prior, I really think it's hard to get a gun easily even in Victoria.

 

[elondriel]

With the camper and their truck I still wonder if like someone speculated back a bit, if that fire was an accident. Whether they were trying to cook something or? If so that could be another explanation of leaving possessions inside, no time to grab anything.

 

[MassGuy]

With the camper and their truck I still wonder if like someone speculated back a bit, if that fire was an accident. Whether they were trying to cook something or? If so that could be another explanation of leaving possessions inside, no time to grab anything.

These guys had two vehicles in their possession, and both of them burned.

One could be an accident.

Two really can’t be a coincidence though.