GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[Summersolstice]

The WComd does not have access to a mbrs medical records. Absolutely, no way, no how. This is a certainty. He has no authority to request them. The Wing Surgeon would never allow it. A mbr's medical file doesn't even fall under the Wing - it falls under the medical detachment. Even the mbrs CO cannot know anything about a mbr medically - only their disposition.

A mbr's pers file? Possibly. That would be way too easy to verify - I'll try to explain the process. ALL pers files are requested on what's called a "GC 97". The Wing Orderly Room receives this request, and it is either picked up by the individual requesting it (in his case, his WExec) or mailed internally to the requestor. A charge slip is signed with the date, and to who it went to, and when it was brought back and put inside the empty pers envelope (like a library card of sorts). He doesn't just barge into the WOR and bark out orders or take something or help himself like it's portrayed on TV.

I know the TV portrays these positions as all mighty, all knowing, and all seeing, but they're not. Don't forget...he may have been the Wing Comd, but he has a boss he is to report to.

But RW was base commander, not wing commander, when he was stripped of his rank.

He also worked at DND HQ in Ottawa, reviewing personnel files. We don't know if he retained his access codes. With his expertise in electronic warfare and past history of tampering with computers, anything is possible.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

But RW was base commander, not wing commander, when he was stripped of his rank.

He also worked at DND HQ in Ottawa, reviewing personnel files. We don't know if he retained his access codes. With his expertise in electronic warfare and past history of tampering with computers, anything is possible.

No, he was the WING Commander when he was stripped of his rank. The media may have referred to him as a base commander, but that is incorrect. They also use the term "Canadian Armed Forces"...the "Armed" was removed years ago. That is also used incorrectly.

We haven't had a base commander since CFB Trenton because 8 Wing Trenton. Base Commander is in the army. In Petawawa, it's a Base Commander.

Also, pers files would have been for up and coming officers or files that had been ordered for him or were already there. NDHQ staff. Everything is done the old fashioned way - pers files aren't electronic (yet). We have data in PeopleSoft, but I sincerely doubt he'd have PeopleSoft access. That is strictly for clerks or clerical staff. In fact, I don't know any officers who have access to it unless they are admin officers.

I'm not being argumentative SS - I'm just stating what I know because it's what I do every day (I'm a clerk)

 

[Summersolstice]

No, he was the WING Commander when he was stripped of his rank. The media may have referred to him as a base commander, but that is incorrect. They also use the term "Canadian Armed Forces"...the "Armed" was removed years ago. That is also used incorrectly.

We haven't had a base commander since CFB Trenton because 8 Wing Trenton. Base Commander is in the army. In Petawawa, it's a Base Commander.

Also, pers files would have been for up and coming officers or files that had been ordered for him or were already there. NDHQ staff. Everything is done the old fashioned way - pers files aren't electronic (yet). We have data in PeopleSoft, but I sincerely doubt he'd have PeopleSoft access. That is strictly for clerks or clerical staff. In fact, I don't know any officers who have access to it unless they are admin officers.

I'm not being argumentative SS - I'm just stating what I know because it's what I do every day (I'm a clerk)

RW claimed to have top secret security clearance in the interview with Det-Sgt. Jim Smyth. I believe that the only people who knew all the information RW had access to with that clearance would be those higher up in the chain of command than RW, or those in CFNIS with the need to know.

We also know from that interview that RW knew how to transfer computer files from place to place, and that he fastidiously documented information and things that interested him.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

RW claimed to have top secret security clearance in the interview with Det-Sgt. Jim Smyth.

I also have a top secret security clearance. It's pretty common after 9/11 happened. All pilots and navigators have it. A lot of people have it. There are many levels higher than top secret.

I'm just sayin'.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

FTR, I'm not saying that RW didn't target MFC specifically. Obviously he did.

But, it wasn't through her medical files or pers file. Pers files have surprising little info about anything other than courses, qualifications, letters of appreciation, etc. We do have a wing nominal role with our addresses and phone numbers and where we work on the Wing drive. It's entirely possible he found out that way.

Or, went to 411.ca.

 

[Sillybilly]

No, he was the WING Commander when he was stripped of his rank. The media may have referred to him as a base commander, but that is incorrect. They also use the term "Canadian Armed Forces"...the "Armed" was removed years ago. That is also used incorrectly.

We haven't had a base commander since CFB Trenton because 8 Wing Trenton. Base Commander is in the army. In Petawawa, it's a Base Commander.

Also, pers files would have been for up and coming officers or files that had been ordered for him or were already there. NDHQ staff. Everything is done the old fashioned way - pers files aren't electronic (yet). We have data in PeopleSoft, but I sincerely doubt he'd have PeopleSoft access. That is strictly for clerks or clerical staff. In fact, I don't know any officers who have access to it unless they are admin officers.

I'm not being argumentative SS - I'm just stating what I know because it's what I do every day (I'm a clerk)

<bbm>

SG, if there is information that the clerical staff have authorized access to, but not the Wing Commander, and the WC came in a asked for it, what would you say to the WC, and would you report that incident to his superiors, possibly to your own detriment? What processes are in place that would protect someone against repurcussions for having gone up the chain of command in the military?

I have been fortunate to work with many very professional and ethical people, who would not dream of asking for something they were not authorized to have. HOWEVER, IF the CEO asked for something they were not normally authorized to access, I suspect that most subordinates would provide the info, and I highly doubt anyone would go to the Board to report such an unauthorized request.

In my own experience, there was one occasion where a very senior person tried to cover their butt by lying in an affidavit (they blamed a very serious oversite on ME when they had royally screwed up). I consulted another senior person who quietly remedied the matter behind the scenes, and Yours Truly simply left because I refuse to work with someone like that. In another instance, I became aware of an investigation re the CEO of the company, I took some info to the investigating agency ... and left again

I'm interested in how military personnel might react, given the possibility that, if they took the high road, they would be seen as a whistleblower by their co-workers and WC.

 

[maxfactor]

Some girl, I just wondered if your coworkers and Wing commander mind if you are here sharing info and answering our questions.

 

[Crosby87]

I don't think that this type of offender changes..This first article is from 2006, followed by today's post on LE website.
http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...-arrested-in-child-exploitation-investigation
Authorities allege that images of child and personal items belonging to
young girls, including underwear, were found in his home.

Sex Crimes Unit
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/pdfs/19983.pdf
416&#8722;808&#8722;8500
On Thursday, November 4, 2010, the Child Exploitation Section of the TPS Sex Crimes Unit
executed a Criminal Code search warrant within the City of Toronto.
During the execution of the warrant, officers located and arrested Chad Meikle, 37, of Toronto.
He is charged with Accessing Child and Fail to Comply with Probation.
He is scheduled to appear at Old City Hall on Friday, November 5, 2010, 60 Queen Street
West, room 101, at 10 a.m.

Thank you dotr

When CM was caught in 2006, he was charged with counseling to commit an indictable offence, theft, and possession of property obtained by crime. Police said child charges were pending so we don’t know what his charges were and what his sentence was. Obviously after this incident CM would have lost his coaching position and would not be forbidden to be alone with children.

I wonder if CM was required to wear an ankle bracelet?

Were LE responding to a tip when they executed a search warrant against him in 2010? LE executed a search warrant in CM’s home in 2006 but it isn’t clear where LE executed the search warrant this time around. The report states, “during the execution of the warrant, officers located and arrested Chad Meikle, 37, of Toronto so I wonder what happened?

I’m glad LE caught him. CM deserves to stay locked up for life.

 

[Crosby87]

Hey all, I'm a bit late to this case, but now I'm totally fascinated with it. Below are videos that contain extra footage of Williams' police interview with Det. Smyth (sorry if they were previously posted):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Md3wx7LVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH7l5dDtPR8

Needless to say, the guy is a total creep. Like other Websleuths, I think Williams committed more crimes. Also, he told police that his cat's death triggered his bizarre behavior. However, the cat died in 2008, and we know Williams was breaking/entering homes in 2007.

Here is my :twocents:. RW never admitted he intended to pin JL’s murder on Larry Jones and MFC’s on AP did he? When the detective asked him why he killed these two women, he said he didn’t know; but if he planned to pin their murders on these two men, wouldn’t that explain why he murdered them?

I can relate to how RW felt when his beloved pet died. When a cat I had for 18 years died, I was very upset and I mourned her death for some time. I decided to go volunteer at an animal shelter and I soon adopted a cat who needed a good home. She is a great companion.

 

[Summersolstice]

Here are two sources of information about security clearances. If anyone else has helpful information, please feel free to add it.

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/rep-rap/sr-rs/rs-sr/rep-rap-02-eng.asp

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/in...ocus/top-secrets-securing-sensitive-data.html

 

[Summersolstice]

Here is my :twocents:. RW never admitted he intended to pin JL’s murder on Larry Jones and MFC’s on AP did he? When the detective asked him why he killed these two women, he said he didn’t know; but if he planned to pin their murders on these two men, wouldn’t that explain why he murdered them?

I can relate to how RW felt when his beloved pet died. When a cat I had for 18 years died, I was very upset and I mourned her death for some time. I decided to go volunteer at an animal shelter and I soon adopted a cat who needed a good home. She is a great companion.

These were also the two cases he was charged with that involved the crime formerly known as "rape".

Weren't the B&Es -- the ones he admitted to -- going on before the cat died?

 

[Summersolstice]

http://www.emcorleans.ca/20101104/news/How+well+do+we+know+our+neighbours?

The rest of the story is in next week's edition.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

Some girl, I just wondered if your coworkers and Wing commander mind if you are here sharing info and answering our questions.

Why not? I'm not giving away anything unauthorized or breaching any confidentiality what so ever. They're all simple SOP's that anyone in the military can/could answer. It's not a secret.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

Here are two sources of information about security clearances. If anyone else has helpful information, please feel free to add it.

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/rep-rap/sr-rs/rs-sr/rep-rap-02-eng.asp

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/in...ocus/top-secrets-securing-sensitive-data.html

Top secret clearance requests have to have 2 pictures taken and attached to the application to DPM Secur in Ottawa That's all I got...lol

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

SillyBilly - I totally understand your question.

Of course, if the WComd walked into the OR and asked for a pers file, he'd get it. But many, many eyebrows would be raised. He has wayyy to much to do for that kind of low level stuff. That is why he has exec staff.

My point was, is that it would be WAY too easy to track that file. Who it went to, what date it went, and when it came back. Pers files do not ever leave the locked cabinets without recording it. I'm certain that was already checked out by LE. The MP's were swarming HQ from my understanding..(I wasn't there when he was arrested...I took another position on the wing in October.)

 

[Summersolstice]

I wonder if the military has taken Sheila Fraser's advice yet. I also wonder if they're using microchip security cards, like the ones at nuclear plants.

I wonder, too, how much of an obstacle things like that would be to someone with top secret security clearance who commits B&Es, with a side interest in electronic warfare.

 

[Wondergirl]

It seems as if the Team of LE that captured Williams has moved on to Sonia Varaschin's case in Orangeville.

Russell Williams&#8217; profilers working on Varaschin case


Among the investigative team are members of the OPP Behavioural Science Unit, which works to create a profile of the suspect in hopes of revealing his identity.


&#8220;Some of the people that we&#8217;re using came from the same team that put the Colonel away, so we have the best of the best,&#8221; Tomei added, referring to recently convicted sex offender and murderer Russell Williams, who has since been stripped of his Canadian Forces rank.

http://www.orangeville.com/website/...-williams-profilers-working-on-varaschin-case

 

[flipflop]

Did anyone watch Criminal Minds on TV tonight. It was a very similar story line, the profilers were searching for a serial killer who was a loner, military background, lingerie fetish, very meticulous, not close with family, white male, well educated, need for power and control, someone with authority...sounds familiar huh

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

But RW was base commander, not wing commander, when he was stripped of his rank.

No, he was the WING Commander when he was stripped of his rank. The media may have referred to him as a base commander, but that is incorrect.

http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/8w-8e/page-eng.asp?id=1211

 

[dotr]

What I admired about the Star&#8217;s choice of front-page photos for the Col. Russell Williams trial was their velocity &#8212; they hit you fast and hard &#8212; and their Whitmanesque composition. As the poet would have put it, they contained multitudes. To the right, you had the man in uniform, blank, crisp and unknowable. To the left, you had the real man in his dream gear, the underwear of a pre-teen girl, before he decided to meet actual human females who wore these garments and kill them. The clothes were representational. Here is the military I command. Here are the civilians I steal from and smell and yearn to kill.

I was grateful that the photos were twinned. Two faces have I, Williams was saying. If your English was imperfect &#8212; and in multicultural Canada, this is often the case &#8212; you didn&#8217;t need the words of reporters and columnists. The photos said it all. Two versions of the human. One man, two uses for his body.
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/886852--mallick-in-praise-of-photos-that-capture-life-in-a-flash