Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

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  • #61
GAWD , the blabbermouth cannot even have a decent polite press appearance with the Taosearch of Ireland for St. Parick's Day without touting and promoting a huge pack of lies and talking about how great he is and everything bad is the fault of prior administrations.

It is very interesting to note that he is blaming the Stock Market response to Biden. He is clearly extremely sensitive to how the market is performing.

He is a terrible person, completely full of lies and useless boasting. Blaming everyone else. Spewing nasty spit with every bombastic word.

I'm sure his approval numbers are Biden's fault too.
 
  • #62
It's obvious that the USA gov't is counting on supporters having no understanding of economics, tax and tariffs, and therefore believing completely untrue claims served up by that gov't. Supporters are cheering the gov't because they want to be "richer".

Are they unable to see what is happening? Do they disbelieve what they see, or are they unable to interpret?


I, admittedly, don't have a degree in politics or economics. That said, I've never understood why people ravenously support huge cuts like Trump/Musk are doing. It's not like they get a cheque or lower taxes out of it. All it does (usually) is hurt those industries.

I know that here in Canada the government is making cuts. Most of the public are all for it. But now that it's tax season, I'm hearing people complain and reading articles about how "you can't get through" to the CRA, or how long wait times are. Like yeah, no kidding, they just let go of hundreds of people.
 
  • #63
This is more of a rhetorical question but I guess I’m wondering if the Trump supporters feel ok with all these economic issues that we are facing - looming recession, trade wars with our closest allies, food prices higher than they’ve ever been, etc. And instead of visiting communities, farms, small businesses around the country to reassure them or discuss the issues they are facing, Trump is standing on the White House lawn selling Teslas for the richest man in the world? Do they not see any disconnect here?

Even if they want to blame all the economic problems on Biden and say it’s all just leftover from him (it’s not, but let’s just go with what they are all saying and blame him), don’t they want Trump to stand up for ANY of the American people besides just the richest one??? I mean, like I said, this is a rhetorical question so I already know the answer but it’s almost blowing my mind to watch him act like a used car salesman in the middle of the rose garden. He found the time to post 289 times on Truth Social the other day but he can’t take a few days to visit ANY of the American people who will be facing some very scary economic situations in the extremely near future. And that about sums up Trump as a president IMO. Sucks so many citizens have been so brainwashed. This is all MOO.
 
  • #64
When someone is extremely interested in selling you something, anything, even a tariff or tax change, RUN, RUN, Away.
 
  • #65
This is more of a rhetorical question but I guess I’m wondering if the Trump supporters feel ok with all these economic issues that we are facing - looming recession, trade wars with our closest allies, food prices higher than they’ve ever been, etc. And instead of visiting communities, farms, small businesses around the country to reassure them or discuss the issues they are facing, Trump is standing on the White House lawn selling Teslas for the richest man in the world? Do they not see any disconnect here?

Even if they want to blame all the economic problems on Biden and say it’s all just leftover from him (it’s not, but let’s just go with what they are all saying and blame him), don’t they want Trump to stand up for ANY of the American people besides just the richest one??? I mean, like I said, this is a rhetorical question so I already know the answer but it’s almost blowing my mind to watch him act like a used car salesman in the middle of the rose garden. He found the time to post 289 times on Truth Social the other day but he can’t take a few days to visit ANY of the American people who will be facing some very scary economic situations in the extremely near future. And that about sums up Trump as a president IMO. Sucks so many citizens have been so brainwashed. This is all MOO.

A family member of mine is fine with attributing any and ALL further problems in the economy, the stock market, their taxes, and such to Obama, first of all, then Jill Biden (beacuse she was ther real president for her husband Joe), and then Kamala Harris because she was too involved in the DEI and California politics.

Everytime Trump slips up, it's the fault of one of the above.

He is no longer invited to any family gatherings that I attend.
 
  • #66
A family member of mine is fine with attributing any and ALL further problems in the economy, the stock market, their taxes, and such to Obama, first of all, then Jill Biden (beacuse she was ther real president for her husband Joe), and then Kamala Harris because she was too involved in the DEI and California politics.

Everytime Trump slips up, it's the fault of one of the above.

He is no longer invited to any family gatherings that I attend.

I have a couple family members who are staunch Trump supporters, and they're Canadian... For years they've defending everything he did with all the usual delusional talking points we all know. It wasn't until this latest tariff on aluminum that one of them finally spoke out against Trump, because aluminum prices affect his job. Reeks of "screw you, I got mine", until it affected him too.

This is a man who was an important male figure in my life as I grew up. Hard worker, salt of the earth type. Then in 2016 he just went off the deep end.

Unfortunately he has alienated himself from the family with his rhetoric.
 
  • #67
So there's no left leaning or right leaning political ideologies in Canada? Everyone is a centrist?

There sure is:

The People's Party of Canada (kukoo very hard right. AKA MapleMAGAs) & (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
The Conservatives (moderate)
The Liberals (moderates)
The NDP (Left of the Liberals)

The Green Party (Enviornmental)
BLOC Quebecois (Quebec-policy based upon their povince-centered)

Plus: we've got shares in the following:
Independants
Some Yoga-Bouncing Party (if they're still around) (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
Libertarian (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
The Communist Party (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
etc
etc

Our Federal Government swings back and forth between the Liberals and The Conservatives
depending on the issues at hand that election cycle. The overwhelming numbers of voters fall into the Conservative, Liberal and lesser so the NDP realm (although the NDP is big in the unionized workforce).

In minority governments, it tends to be the NDPs or the independants that need to be worked with for cooperative and legslative purposes.

The bolded above are literally the mainstream federal parties. People vote for the others too, but most of them can't/don't field candidiates in every riding (seat) or province these days. Such as last Federal Election, there were no "Greens" running in my province - anywhere. The BLOC Quebecois runs candiates on for local seats in the Province of Quebec, thus not exactly "federally".

All IMO.

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  • #68
There sure is:

The People's Party of Canada (kukoo very hard right. AKA MapleMAGAs) & (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
The Conservatives (moderate)
The Liberals (moderates)
The NDP (Left of the Liberals)

The Green Party (Enviornmental)
BLOC Quebecois (Quebec-policy based upon their povince-centered)

Plus: we've got shares in the following:
Independants
Some Yoga-Bouncing Party (if they're still around) (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
Libertarian (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
The Communist Party (yet to actually win a single federal seat)
etc
etc

Our Federal Government swings back and forth between the Liberals and The Conservatives
depending on the issues at hand that election cycle. The overwhelming numbers of voters fall into the Conservative, Liberal and lesser so the NDP realm (although the NDP is big in the unionized workforce).

In minority governments, it tends to be the NDPs or the independants that need to be worked with for cooperative and legslative purposes.

The bolded above are literally the mainstream federal parties. People vote for the others too, but most of them can't/don't field candidiates in every riding (seat) or province these days. Such as last Federal Election, there were no "Greens" running in my province - anywhere. The BLOC Quebecois runs candiates on for local seats in the Province of Quebec, thus not exactly "federally".

All IMO.

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Thank you for the crash course on Canadian politics!
 
  • #69
"China’s Ministry of Commerce has held talks with Walmart as the U.S. retail giant reportedly requested price cuts from Chinese suppliers to offset the tariff costs, a state-backed media outlet said Wednesday."


China cannot risk giving Walmart price cuts because of the US tariffs, as all their other major international clients will want the same discounts.

Some smaller US companies have been slowly switching to Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka for their cheap imported merchandise. There are, however, more transport costs associated with their shipping.

China is so predominant in shipping to the US that one of the major China-US carriers, Cathay Pacific , is showing weakness in it's stock price as tariffs are anticipated to significantly drop their volumes of cargo shipping on the major China-US routes.
 
  • #70
We need to overturn or otherwise re-legislate campaign finance reform. Citizens United, Buckley v Valeo and some that SCOTUS ruled on last year. IIRC they ruled in one case that it’s ok for someone to give a politician a bribe once they leave office. They referred to it as a “gratuity “.

Well, it should not be OK. Nor should be ok for the former GOP speaker to leave and openly announce lobbying for Chinese companies. We can’t even talk about “patriotism” when top politicians provide such examples. Don’t forget, the younger generation of politicians was raised by people like John Boehner as the role models.
Consider this, everything that current politicians do might, and will, backfire, badly, but they had examples, too.
Nice to see that some Dem Senators have the energy to very gracefully oppose, and I hope that our GOP, too, shall find a critical mass of people who do think about the country.
 
  • #71
<snipped for focus>

I wonder how the weak Canadian dollar also plays into this. Earlier this week I sent $500 to a family member in Canada and when the payment cleared through my bank it was only $350 in U.S. dollars.

You know, this is our problem. “Canadian dollar has favorable course, it is good to travel. Australian dollar is such that it is good to travel. Etc, etc”.
I think that one day it will turn against us. It doesn’t matter how I personally think or vote. We all, collectively, shall be held culpable. Not him.
 
  • #72
I'm sure his approval numbers are Biden's fault too.

I know it is a joke but the DNC and the Dem party has to regroup and do a lot of thinking. They had all the cards in 2020. They should have found a better choice than Biden. One can’t make mistakes when so much is at stake. I sometimes wonder if Michelle Obama would have been the choice, but I don’t know her that well; would be interesting to see what people think. Personally I still feel that not fighting for Buttigieg was a mistake. Even our best Dems stay slightly to the right of the center.
P.S. the GOP, too. I respect others’ religion, but you can’t run on religious platform any longer. Young people are having harsh lives because of economy. So I know that Trump was not the GOP’s ideal candidate, but they were left with him because they couldn’t win with their own ones. Something to think about.
 
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"U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Wednesday said the issue of how the United States is going to "take over Canada" will not be discussed at a gathering of G7 foreign ministers due to take place in Canada on Thursday."

This is rich, given:

a) it's being hosted by Canada
b) the US has been antagonizing all the other G7 countries and including them in this tariff war.
I think Rubio is trying to do the best he can.
 
  • #75

"U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Wednesday said the issue of how the United States is going to "take over Canada" will not be discussed at a gathering of G7 foreign ministers due to take place in Canada on Thursday."

This is rich, given:

a) it's being hosted by Canada
b) the US has been antagonizing all the other G7 countries and including them in this tariff war.

So curious. The top 5 countries that the US imports from:

EU ( 27 countries) = $553 billion US D
China = $546 billion USD
Mexico = $454 billion USD
Canada = $436 billion USD
Japan = $148 billion USD
Germany = $ 146 billion USD (largest single country importer in EU)

UK is much farther down the line with $68 billion.

*2022 numbers
 
  • #76
It's obvious that the USA gov't is counting on supporters having no understanding of economics, tax and tariffs, and therefore believing completely untrue claims served up by that gov't. Supporters are cheering the gov't because they want to be "richer".

Are they unable to see what is happening? Do they disbelieve what they see, or are they unable to interpret?

This is horribly wrong and disgusting as a very un-proud American I’ve voted against EVERYTHING this trumpputinelon regime stands for!
My retirement, healthcare, daughters and grandkids futures all will feel the effects of the disaster heading our way.
We were outvoted and mourn and shake with anger along with the rest of the world watching the destruction
 
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"U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Wednesday said the issue of how the United States is going to "take over Canada" will not be discussed at a gathering of G7 foreign ministers due to take place in Canada on Thursday."

This is rich, given:

a) it's being hosted by Canada
b) the US has been antagonizing all the other G7 countries and including them in this tariff war.

Ridiculous statement from the Secretary. :rolleyes:😀
 
  • #79
Here is part of an Editorial article from Bloomberg News about tariffs. It is a strong negative opinion rendered by the Bloomberg editorial board, which has national and international members contributing. I have not included everything, nor did I include the interesting graphs.

<modsnip: WS has made an exception for the following opinion article, but as it is paywalled, direct quotes are not allowed. Members who choose to access it must pay the required cost to do so.>

 
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  • #80
Walmart has high profits. They can afford to absorb the cost of those tariffs if they're not too exhorbitant.

I do worry that Walmart would reduce important benefits to employees to offset the tariff - things like removing their healthcare and paid time off.
 
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