Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

[Fabled Automatic]

Normally I wouldn't even blink in the direction of Liberals, but the war has me trying to understand who is the best man to pivot away from the trade relationship with the USA. He has roughly 6-8 weeks to make a mark.

"Carney has a very narrow window before an expected federal election to convince Canadians he has the best plan for the country as it stares down Trump's 51st state taunts and tariff threats — or he risks leading one of the shortest governments in history."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-swearing-in-pm-cabinet-1.7482871

That's my biggest fear with Poilievre, that he will bend the knee and sell out Canada to Trump. He's taken a very soft approach with all of this, often (barely) speaking out a day late and a dollar short. He is endorsed by Musk, after all.

I had similar fears with Ford getting re-elected, but I've been pleasantly surprised with his tone so far. I'm hoping he continues to act as stern as he's talked.

 

[Summerliz03]

I think that’s what some would like us to believe. imo

Can you tell me which parts of Project 2025 you are excited about? Which aspects of it do you see as being beneficial for our country in general and for you personally? I genuinely want to hear the arguments in favor of it because there’s very little in that document that I agree with but I would love to understand the other side.

 

[Lyanna]

Project 2025

imo

After reading up on Project 2025, sure does look like Trump is following this, ummm "vision"?


moo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Can you tell me which parts of Project 2025 you are excited about? Which aspects of it do you see as being beneficial for our country in general and for you personally? I genuinely want to hear the arguments in favor of it because there’s very little in that document that I agree with but I would love to understand the other side.

Can someone prove this is President Trump’s plan. Just because you say something 1000 times doesn’t make it so. Imo

 

[Lyanna]

Just because you say something 1000 times doesn’t make it so. Imo

Rsbm from previous post (don't know what I did wrong!)

Very true. Perhaps Donald will grasp this concept soon.

moo

 

[Summerliz03]

Can someone prove this is President Trump’s plan. Just because you say something 1000 times doesn’t make it so. Imo

I mean, most of the items that are in the plan have already been implemented or are well on their way to being implemented. A quick google search can give you a list of the plan and what parts of it are already taking shape in Trumps term, even starting from the very first executive orders he signed on his very first day in office.

Trump's Early Actions Mirror Project 2025

A TIME analysis found that nearly two-thirds of the executive actions Trump has issued mirror or partially mirror proposals from Project 2025.

time.com

Where Trump policies and Project 2025 proposals match up

Trump may have distanced himself from Project 2025 on the campaign trail, but many of his policies align with those included in the initiative's policy guide.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/29/trump-federal-spending-freeze-project-2025-007378

And for once, I actually did (do) believe Trump when he says he wasn’t a part of Project 2025 and didn’t read it. However, his team most definitely did read it (and were the authors of it!)and are currently working through the list at full speed. It is the blueprint for the current Republican Party.

 

[Lyanna]

I mean, most of the items that are in the plan have already been implemented or are well on their way to being implemented. A quick google search can give you a list of the plan and what parts of it are already taking shape in Trumps term, even starting from the very first executive orders he signed on his very first day in office.

Trump's Early Actions Mirror Project 2025

A TIME analysis found that nearly two-thirds of the executive actions Trump has issued mirror or partially mirror proposals from Project 2025.

time.com

Where Trump policies and Project 2025 proposals match up

Trump may have distanced himself from Project 2025 on the campaign trail, but many of his policies align with those included in the initiative's policy guide.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/29/trump-federal-spending-freeze-project-2025-007378

And for once, I actually did (do) believe Trump when he says he wasn’t a part of Projeft 2025 and didn’t read it. However, his team most definitely did read it (and were the authors of it!)and are currently working through the list at full speed. It is the blueprint for the current Republican Party.

He also has given a number of people who contributed to Project 2025 government positions. Whilst he may not have read it, I don't doubt he knew a lot more about it than he claimed.

Moo

 

[Summerliz03]

He also has given a number of people who contributed to Project 2025 government positions. Whilst he may not have read it, I don't doubt he knew a lot more about it than he claimed.

Moo

Yes one the main authors of the document, Russell Vought, is now heading the Office of Management and Budget. Peter Navarro is another key author of P2025, he’s serving as Trumps senior counsel for Trade and Manufacturing. He was indicted by Congress for his role in January 6th and found to be in contempt of court, spent 4 months in jail. He supports high tariffs on all the US trade partners.

Sorry, edited to add the link with the list of project 2025 authors that now hold government positions under Trump. The key Project 2025 authors now staffing the Trump administration

 

[SouthAussie]

I mean, most of the items that are in the plan have already been implemented or are well on their way to being implemented. A quick google search can give you a list of the plan and what parts of it are already taking shape in Trumps term, even starting from the very first executive orders he signed on his very first day in office.

Trump's Early Actions Mirror Project 2025

A TIME analysis found that nearly two-thirds of the executive actions Trump has issued mirror or partially mirror proposals from Project 2025.

time.com

Where Trump policies and Project 2025 proposals match up

Trump may have distanced himself from Project 2025 on the campaign trail, but many of his policies align with those included in the initiative's policy guide.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/29/trump-federal-spending-freeze-project-2025-007378

And for once, I actually did (do) believe Trump when he says he wasn’t a part of Project 2025 and didn’t read it. However, his team most definitely did read it (and were the authors of it!)and are currently working through the list at full speed. It is the blueprint for the current Republican Party.

Another thing about Project 2025 that I noticed yesterday when I was reading about trade between the US and Australia (re: the tariffs) .....

Project 2025: It is critical of the Federal Reserve, which it blames for the business cycle, and proposes abolishing it; it advocates instead that the dollar be backed by a commodity like gold. (Link)

Australia/US Trade: Except in January 2025, the month Trump returned to office, Australia had a surplus of US$2.2bn, sparked largely by a massive increase in the export of Australian gold to the US. Australia shipped a record amount of gold to the US in January – worth US$2.9bn – according to Australian Bureau of Statistics figures, the highest figure in records dating back to 1995.

US people losing their jobs, services being cut, and the US is buying gold in record amounts. imo

Australia’s record gold exports to US set back its case for tariff relief as Trump trade war looms

Industries across the country are bracing for the impact of the Trump administration’s worldwide tariff regime

www.theguardian.com

 

[keek]

I watched this, as a Canadian I was grateful to see an American sticking up for Canada.

Oh, we do!!! Those in the know or aware, no one with normal or average awareness of ANYTHING, def is appalled and whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, about CANADA of all places, lovely and good things only, is suddenly brought out and attacked. Also, VERY confused as WHY.

 

[otto]

I assumed that a man who was governor at the Bank of Canada, then governor at the Bank of England, would be a smart man financially. Granted, during his time at the Bank of Canada, Jim Flaherty made financial decisions, not Carney. Carney did what Flaherty told him to do.

Today we heard that Carney was also a realtor, which he stated to mean that he and Trump have something in common. They know each other from prior dealings. They have history. Who knew!

Regarding managing tariffs, and leading Canada through rough times to stability, Carney's track record might not support that. London is warning Canada that Carney may create more turmoil than tariffs have already created.

"Over eight years at the Bank of England, Carney was at best an indifferent Governor, and, at worse, a disappointing failure. Despite his huge salary of more than £600,000 a year ... quickly nick-named him “the unreliable boyfriend” for his constant changes of direction on interest rates.

He printed too much money in the wake of the financial crisis, and then repeated the mistake all over again in the wake of the referendum on leaving the EU, responding as if he was in the middle of a financial emergency instead of dealing with a minor blip in trading relations.
...

By the time he left office, Carney had created a mess which his successors have struggled to clear up. Inflation spiked up to a peak of 11.1 per cent in the UK, compared to 5.2 per cent in France, or 8 per cent in Italy, hardly a country known for controlling prices effectively, largely because the Bank had printed too much money.

As the LDI crisis in 2022 made clear, the Bank has lost its once formidable grasp of the inner workings of the City, and allowed pension funds to build up far too many high-risk assets, triggering a potential collapse of the gilts market that the Bank had to bail out.
...

Time and again, Carney has proved himself a man of high intelligence, but remarkably poor judgement.
...

Canada is going to get a self-regarding technocrat who may have plenty of connections but has left behind a trail of wreckage in every major job he has ever held."

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[keek]

Yes one the main authors of the document, Russell Vought, is now heading the Office of Management and Budget. Peter Navarro is another key author of P2025, he’s serving as Trumps senior counsel for Trade and Manufacturing. He was indicted by Congress for his role in January 6th and found to be in contempt of court, spent 4 months in jail. He supports high tariffs on all the US trade partners.

Sorry, edited to add the link with the list of project 2025 authors that now hold government positions under Trump. The key Project 2025 authors now staffing the Trump administration

All those people made your skin crawllllll when watched on interviews in the past about anything political, hate spewed large period.

 

[Summerliz03]

All those people made your skin crawllllll when watched on interviews in the past about anything political, hate spewed large period.

Karoline Leavitt herself (the press secretary) is even in some of the Project 2025 promotional videos, even as she stands up on the press box and denies involvement in it from Trump and his administration. https://www.cleveland13news.com/sto...t-in-project-2025-controversy-despite-denials

Here’s one of the videos she appears in, straight from the project 2025 YouTube page

 

[otto]

That's my biggest fear with Poilievre, that he will bend the knee and sell out Canada to Trump. He's taken a very soft approach with all of this, often (barely) speaking out a day late and a dollar short. He is endorsed by Musk, after all.

I had similar fears with Ford getting re-elected, but I've been pleasantly surprised with his tone so far. I'm hoping he continues to act as stern as he's talked.

Read more about Carney's background - it might be the other way around.

Canada needs to navigate around the tariffs, which requires acting on existing international trade agreements. The issue is getting those goods to Canada, and then to Canadians across the country. That requires ships, infrastructure, roads, railway. Poilievre knows this. Does Carney?

Here's more - emphasis on climate (carbon tax with a new name), unstable currency, inflation, unpredictability, illogical choices.

Mark Carney: What legacy will he leave the Bank of England?

The first non-British governor to lead the Bank in its 325-year history steps down this weekend.

www.bbc.com

 

[LovesPeace2]

This last month has felt sooo very very long. I miss my little Canadian bubble where I'd watch the news and go thank God not my monkeys not my circus not my problem.. My opinion is if our Canadian government can work together and get along we can overcome this American messiness , then our parties can get back to disliking each other and carry on.. but lol until our neighbors over there can reign in their leader it's going to be ugly and messy , there's a lot of frustration Canadian people are feeling Mondays protests may end up not so peaceful as people get angrier. Jmvho

 

[LovesPeace2]

'Canadians are united': Anti-Trump rally planned for Vancouver | News

An anti-Trump rally is heading to Vancouver later this month as part of a nationwide sign of solidarity against his actions.

dailyhive.com

This powerful demonstration will serve as a rallying cry for freedom, inspired by the words of former Prime Minister John Diefenbaker: I am a Canadian, free to speak without fear, free to worship in my own way, free to stand for what I think is right, free to oppose what I believe is wrong, and free to choose those who shall govern my country. This heritage of freedom I pledge to uphold for myself and all mankind.”

 

[otto]

This last month has felt sooo very very long. I miss my little Canadian bubble where I'd watch the news and go thank God not my monkeys not my circus not my problem.. My opinion is if our Canadian government can work together and get along we can overcome this American messiness , then our parties can get back to disliking each other and carry on.. but lol until our neighbors over there can reign in their leader it's going to be ugly and messy , there's a lot of frustration Canadian people are feeling Mondays protests may end up not so peaceful as people get angrier. Jmvho

True, but even those of us who prefer our bubbles have to be careful with the next election. At this time, we still don't know which political party can lead Canada to a robust "usa-free" future where USA tariffs are irrelevant. I was disappointed that the Liberal Party leader excluded Quebec and French language priorities from the new cabinet. Given problems with steel and aluminium, that's an important voice regarding tariffs.

PEI, Saskatchewan and Alberta have no one in the Carney's cabinet. Saskatchewan is entirely Conservative, but Alberta had two candidates to choose from. It's hard to believe that Carney will prioritize Western Canada if there is no real representation.

In some ways, a Conservative coalition with Bloc Quebecois would make a very interesting Canada First mandate. It would definitely be a new direction, entirely different from the last 10 years that made us more reliant on the USA.

 

[Sundog]

I assumed that a man who was governor at the Bank of Canada, then governor at the Bank of England, would be a smart man financially. Granted, during his time at the Bank of Canada, Jim Flaherty made financial decisions, not Carney. Carney did what Flaherty told him to do.

Today we heard that Carney was also a realtor, which he stated to mean that he and Trump have something in common. They know each other from prior dealings. They have history. Who knew!

Regarding managing tariffs, and leading Canada through rough times to stability, Carney's track record might not support that. London is warning Canada that Carney may create more turmoil than tariffs have already created.

"Over eight years at the Bank of England, Carney was at best an indifferent Governor, and, at worse, a disappointing failure. Despite his huge salary of more than £600,000 a year ... quickly nick-named him “the unreliable boyfriend” for his constant changes of direction on interest rates.

He printed too much money in the wake of the financial crisis, and then repeated the mistake all over again in the wake of the referendum on leaving the EU, responding as if he was in the middle of a financial emergency instead of dealing with a minor blip in trading relations.
...

By the time he left office, Carney had created a mess which his successors have struggled to clear up. Inflation spiked up to a peak of 11.1 per cent in the UK, compared to 5.2 per cent in France, or 8 per cent in Italy, hardly a country known for controlling prices effectively, largely because the Bank had printed too much money.

As the LDI crisis in 2022 made clear, the Bank has lost its once formidable grasp of the inner workings of the City, and allowed pension funds to build up far too many high-risk assets, triggering a potential collapse of the gilts market that the Bank had to bail out.
...

Time and again, Carney has proved himself a man of high intelligence, but remarkably poor judgement.
...

Canada is going to get a self-regarding technocrat who may have plenty of connections but has left behind a trail of wreckage in every major job he has ever held."

Access Restricted

More from the UK on Carney -

Carney is as much a citizen of nowhere as Ignatieff. He worked in high finance around the world for Goldman, a widely disliked firm. Carney was headhunted by Trudeau’s predecessor Stephen Harper as governor of Canada’s central bank, where he did not distinguish himself. Rumours even then circulated that he wanted to enter politics and to be the chief minister.

Carney was headhunted again as governor of the Bank of England. It caused controversy in both Canada and in Britain when he accepted the job, which he held through years of poor economic performance, and bad monetary policy, for which it seems he was significantly responsible.

When Carney grew tired of Britain, he swanned off to the UN in New York, working on ‘projects’, burnishing his credentials. A centrepiece of his CV has been the green stuff he has meddled in and his various campaigns for international power and influence.

Carney may criticise the economic policies of the Trudeau period – with falling per capita growth, a massive surge in migration, unjustifiable deficit spending – but Carney was one of Trudeau’s most important outside advisers. When Trudeau’s finance minister and deputy prime minister Crystia Freeland resigned last year and brought Trudeau down, it was Carney that Trudeau was openly threatening to replace her with.

It was a matter of time before Carney decided the moment was ripe to make a bid for power. He is one of the most transparently ambitious men in the English-speaking world. And now he has achieved it. Unelected by anyone except the Canadian Liberal party membership (Carney is not even a member of parliament), he has but a short time before an inevitable election to claim that he is different from the previous guy, his close friend, who ruled Canada with Carney’s sometime help and advice for almost a decade.

The slogan that could doom Mark Carney

Mark Carney has won the Liberal party leadership contest by an enormous margin. He will soon be the prime minister of Canada

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[ekc]

True, but even those of us who prefer our bubbles have to be careful with the next election. At this time, we still don't know which political party can lead Canada to a robust "usa-free" future where USA tariffs are irrelevant. I was disappointed that the Liberal Party leader excluded Quebec and French language priorities from the new cabinet. Given problems with steel and aluminium, that's an important voice regarding tariffs.

PEI, Saskatchewan and Alberta have no one in the Carney's cabinet. Saskatchewan is entirely Conservative, but Alberta had two candidates to choose from. It's hard to believe that Carney will prioritize Western Canada if there is no real representation.

In some ways, a Conservative coalition with Bloc Quebecois would make a very interesting Canada First mandate. It would definitely be a new direction, entirely different from the last 10 years that made us more reliant on the USA.

dont forget the Canada is broken The healthcare is broken The housing is broken The whatever PP says is broken seems to have mended since the ....What Happened???...dam hes good all that behind closed doors...sorry but PP is trump wanabe in my eyes...

 

[LovesPeace2]

True, but even those of us who prefer our bubbles have to be careful with the next election. At this time, we still don't know which political party can lead Canada to a robust "usa-free" future where USA tariffs are irrelevant. I was disappointed that the Liberal Party leader excluded Quebec and French language priorities from the new cabinet. Given problems with steel and aluminium, that's an important voice regarding tariffs.

PEI, Saskatchewan and Alberta have no one in the Carney's cabinet. Saskatchewan is entirely Conservative, but Alberta had two candidates to choose from. It's hard to believe that Carney will prioritize Western Canada if there is no real representation.

In some ways, a Conservative coalition with Bloc Quebecois would make a very interesting Canada First mandate. It would definitely be a new direction, entirely different from the last 10 years that made us more reliant on the USA.

True that.. I don't know a whole lot about PP ,I haven't really looked at anything conservative since Harper and well Palister in Manitoba. The last solid NDP in federal that did anything was broadbent. Ive been on the coast forever and we've been lucky with our NDP premiers.this election will be interesting but we just need really strong leadership to stand up to the bully.hopefully we got this but the party leaders are really quiet right now jmoo