Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

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  • #741
The optics of a President erasing the selfless acts of true American heroes when that President themselves dodged the draft is laughably pathetic.
MOO: This is one of the reasons he wants it done. He is NO hero and he knows it. He can't stand that people he considers to be "less" are receiving accolades that he could never earn.

This whole thing makes me feel sick to my stomach. He is sub-human.
 
  • #742
This is what people outside the USA are seeing, worried that people inside the USA cannot see it.

"If it continues like this, the United States will not score as a democracy when we release [next year's] data," said Staffan Lindberg, head of the Varieties of Democracy project, run out of Sweden's University of Gothenburg. "If it continues like this, democracy [there] will not last another six months."

His project includes 31 million data points for 202 countries, compiled by 4,200 scholars and other contributors, measuring 600 different attributes of democracy. Lindberg happens to be in the U.S. this week presenting this year's report — which only includes data through the end of 2024.
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But it refers to ongoing events in the U.S. as unprecedented, mentioning Trump pardoning 1,500 criminals who supported him; firing independent agency watchdogs without process; purging apolitical police and military brass; ignoring laws; and his unilaterally deleting federal programs, and even a whole organization, created by U.S. Congress.

He's just called his predecessor's pardons void and vacated. He gave a bitterly partisan speech at the Department of Justice, demanding the prosecution of the media and certain adversaries. He threatened numerous universities with sanctions. He invoked a 227-year-old war measures law during peacetime — for the first time ever — to deport accused gang members without due process. And, most importantly, when that deportation plan wound up in court, he may have — although it's still in dispute — defied a court order, cracking the ultimate constitutional safeguard.
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Lindberg said Trump is doing many of the same things as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in Turkey, Viktor Orbán in Hungary and Narendra Modi in India — only faster."
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there more ...

IMO: This is not Trump's plan. He lacks the intelligence. I think, in the time between his presidencies, a group of "assets" was working out how to get by the checks in the US government to take it down. He has no idea what he is doing. He's a buffoon who thinks he's in charge but he is not. MOO.
 
  • #743
IMO: This is not Trump's plan. He lacks the intelligence. I think, in the time between his presidencies, a group of "assets" was working out how to get by the checks in the US government to take it down. He has no idea what he is doing. He's a buffoon who thinks he's in charge but he is not. MOO.
used to be GOP had Old in the middle now its more like OLigarch...jat
 
  • #744
But there aren't hundreds of thousands in the streets protesting all of his horrible actions. If Americans won't fight for their own democracy, they certainly won't fight for Canada, or for minorities or for women's rights. Your democracy is being demolished!
I don't know what you can see vs what I can see on YouTube but a search of "protests" brings up a lot. Here is just the top one on my search list:

 
  • #745
I can say there are protests on an almost daily basis in my very red state. We have also had "empty chair" townhalls and pop up protests at our representatives offices. Its not enough; but the protests are definitely growing in my area.
 
  • #746
That isn't going to work.

People in red states, by and large--not all--will vote against their own interests every time, as long as it owns the libs. They may not even be informed enough to know that they are voting against their interests.

They will never vote for a Democrat, and moderate Republicans are an extinct species.

Edited to add: I grew up in a red state and still have contacts there, so I am saying this from experience and not simply stereotyping red states.

And I repeat that not everyone in my home red state agrees with what Trump is doing. But they are astonished at the attitudes of others in the state voting against their own interests.

One of my family members was telling me about seeing "Vets for Trump" shirts at an event she attended. We both had to wonder why any veteran would support Trump since we know he considers them suckers and losers--and is now trying to cut their benefits.

I agree but I blame Democrats. They have been too quiet! Always. Trying to be polite, correct. Remember "when they go low we go high"? No! They need to go lower!

Democrats and other groups need to take to the airways, buy their own airtime, and let the masses know WTF is going on. I've read that they are going to start holding townhalls (Dems) but that is too quiet, small, and not enough.
 
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  • #747
is it not detrimental to your health to own one? they get shot at ...vandalized...so your at walmart (wink) and you come out and your darn tesla is on fire...yep was worth every penny to buy that one uhuh...jat

I'm quite certain tht the fact that the Swasticars cybertrucks are literally falling apaprt has nothing to do with it all.

All those side panels are literally glued on. Go figure ---- that's sooooooooo safe.


Cybertruck falling to pieces – deliveries apparently halted


Elon Musk forced to halt Cybertruck deliveries after vehicles fall apart as customers drive away


Tesla halts Cybertruck deliveries after panels held together by glue come apart


Some Cybertruck Owners Say Their Trucks Are Shedding Body Panels; One Thinks He Knows Why


No wonder that Tesla investors are now calling for Musk to step down and be replaced IMO.

Held together with glue. Unreal. IMO.

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  • #748
Kemug,

Might I respectfully ask if you think it's OK for a leader of a sovereign nation to breach it's international alliances, free trade agreements and threaten another sovereign nation with Annexation without cause?

Is that OK?

Is that democratic?

Curious.

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And that's before we even begin on what he's doing inside the USA. Making clealy unlawful decisions, ignoring court orders and calling for judges that rule against him to be impeached. Democracy can only exist where the rule of law is respected.
 
  • #749
IMO: This is not Trump's plan. He lacks the intelligence. I think, in the time between his presidencies, a group of "assets" was working out how to get by the checks in the US government to take it down. He has no idea what he is doing. He's a buffoon who thinks he's in charge but he is not. MOO.
Indeed. The Bond villain here is Peter Thiel.
 
  • #750
That's it. Game over America. You have a tyrant at the helm who giveth not a smidgeth of care or faith to the constitution. Not a single speck.

President [URL='https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump']Donald Trump claimed that former President Joe Biden's preemptive pardons of members of the Jan. 6 Select Committee and others were "void, vacant, and of no future force of effect."[/url]

Respectively snipped.

As a US citizen, here is where I would disagree with you.

In 2021-2024, my President was Joe Biden and his VP was Kamala Harris. Not some people unknown to me.

If any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way, I surely would like to know who did it in lieu of Mr. Biden.

If Mr. Biden was unable to perform his duties in the last several months, who was making the decisions emerges as a serious question; by law it should have been VP Kamala Harris and not anyone else. She was perfectly able to sign the pardons.

Lastly, President Biden withdrawing from the presidential race so late put VP Kamala Harris at a horrible disadvantage as the presidential candidate, IMHO. In any case, part of presidential institution is to insure smooth transition of power to the VP should the president become incapacitated or ill; it has happened throughout history. VP Harris would have managed, no doubt. If it was not done in a timely manner, question stays who is responsible.
 
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  • #751
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Respectively snipped.

As a US citizen, here is where I would disagree with you.

In 2021-2024, my President was Joe Biden and his VP was Kamala Harris. Not some people unknown to me.

If any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way, I surely would like to know who did it in lieu of Mr. Biden.

If Mr. Biden was unable to perform his duties in the last several months, who was making the decisions emerges as a serious question; by law it should have been VP Kamala Harris and not anyone else. She was perfectly able to sign the pardons.

Lastly, President Biden withdrawing from the presidential race so late put VP Kamala Harris at a horrible disadvantage as the presidential candidate, IMHO. In any case, part of presidential institution is to insure smooth transition of power to the VP should the president become incapacitated or ill; it has happened throughout history. VP Harris would have managed, no doubt. If it was not done in timely manner, question stays who is responsible.

Do you have a link to documented evidence that Biden was unable/incapable of issuing pardons? That he was not involved in the process? That's what the claim by Trump is and is why he is now considering them 'invalid'.

I certainly did not insinute that "any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way", rather the opposite.

Trump is stating otherwise ... or is that just Trump's reasoning for invalidating them? Because, IMO, I neither trust nor believe an iota of what comes out of that liars mouth without documented evidence to back it up. If not, that's merely an opinion of his; and many of his opinions are simply non-reality based; his basis for beginning this trade war wth Canada comes as a great and glaring example!

IMO.
 
  • #752
Respectively snipped.

As a US citizen, here is where I would disagree with you.

In 2021-2024, my President was Joe Biden and his VP was Kamala Harris. Not some people unknown to me.

If any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way, I surely would like to know who did it in lieu of Mr. Biden.

If Mr. Biden was unable to perform his duties in the last several months, who was making the decisions emerges as a serious question; by law it should have been VP Kamala Harris and not anyone else. She was perfectly able to sign the pardons.

Lastly, President Biden withdrawing from the presidential race so late put VP Kamala Harris at a horrible disadvantage as the presidential candidate, IMHO. In any case, part of presidential institution is to insure smooth transition of power to the VP should the president become incapacitated or ill; it has happened throughout history. VP Harris would have managed, no doubt. If it was not done in timely manner, question stays who is responsible.
love this...as if we will ever know...it was highly evident Biden was not well for quite a while...so remove a thinking challenged president to elect one who does not seem to have 2 brain cells to rube together is beyond belief...wonder if you've ever noticed trump when he is standing on stage or somewhere and he swings from side to side like a 5 yr old in a school play....i feel for the future historians to decipher this mess...jat
 
  • #753
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Do you have a link to documented evidence that Biden was unable/incapable of issuing pardons? That he was not involved in the process? That's what the claim by Trump is and is why he is now considering them 'invalid'.

I certainly did not insinute that "any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way", rather the opposite.

Trump is stating otherwise ... or is that just Trump's reasoning for invalidating them? Because, IMO, I neither trust nor believe an iota of what comes out of that liars mouth without documented evidence to back it up. If not, that's merely an opinion of his; and many of his opinions are simply non-reality based; his basis for beginning this trade war wth Canada comes as a great and glaring example!

IMO.
I have no reason to disbelieve that they were merely stamped, not signed, as it has been said by Mr. Trump. Lastly, we all saw the first debate and President Biden’s performance; his withdrawal from the race came after that.

It is another thing that I would prefer President Trump to drop the adjective he has recently been using regarding former President Biden. Joe Biden’s life has been a chain of tragedies, but he was always known to be a loyal and dedicated family man. This is where it ends, to me: with him. In 2020 I gave my voice to Joe Biden and VP Kamala Harris, but only to them. If we, the US citizens, the Democratic Party and VP Kamala Harris, ended up on the receiving end of WH power struggle, we are entitled to know who is at fault.

Here is what is surprising. Jill Biden being mentioned as the pivotal figure supporting President Biden’s decision to withdraw at the end. It shouldn’t be like this. First Ladies’ representative roles can’t be replaced by actively political ones. We deserved to have VP Kamala Harris for this. JMO.

 
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I'm quite certain tht the fact that the Swasticars cybertrucks are literally falling apaprt has nothing to do with it all.

All those side panels are literally glued on. Go figure ---- that's sooooooooo safe.


Cybertruck falling to pieces – deliveries apparently halted

Elon Musk forced to halt Cybertruck deliveries after vehicles fall apart as customers drive away

Tesla halts Cybertruck deliveries after panels held together by glue come apart

Some Cybertruck Owners Say Their Trucks Are Shedding Body Panels; One Thinks He Knows Why

No wonder that Tesla investors are now calling for Musk to step down and be replaced IMO.

Held together with glue. Unreal. IMO.

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I'm so old, I remember when we used to have laws protecting consumers from this kind of thing.

OT, if anyone is watching, CNN has retired SCOTUS justice Stephen Breyer on. He's explaining to Wolf how judge's make decisions and how the system of judicial appeals works. If a party to a legal challenge is unhappy with one judge's verdict, they're supposed to appeal to other courts. Our judicial system is set up to allow judges to review each other's opinions if a party is unhappy with a ruling.

The system doesn't allow for use of impeachment simply because a judge ruled in a way someone doesn't like.

Now he's talking about how court decisions can't be ignored. Talking about Andrew Jackson. The best thing for judges to follow the law. Judges are trained not to deal in hypothetical situations. You rule on the law. Not sure about whether we're in a constitutional crisis. Just follow the law.

Judges make decisions often after consulting with other judges. They read all the briefs, it may take weeks to analyze all of it. Often a judge's decision after reading all the opinions is different from what he originally thought.

Of course there are always people who disagree with rulings. Judges have to move on to the next case and let the appeals process take place.

Breyer also said that Justice Robert's statement yesterday about not impeaching and publicly criticizing a justice's decision was aimed at the American public so that they understand how our judicial system works. It's important to educate the public.
 
  • #756
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Do you have a link to documented evidence that Biden was unable/incapable of issuing pardons? That he was not involved in the process? That's what the claim by Trump is and is why he is now considering them 'invalid'.

I certainly did not insinute that "any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way", rather the opposite.

Trump is stating otherwise ... or is that just Trump's reasoning for invalidating them? Because, IMO, I neither trust nor believe an iota of what comes out of that liars mouth without documented evidence to back it up. If not, that's merely an opinion of his; and many of his opinions are simply non-reality based; his basis for beginning this trade war wth Canada comes as a great and glaring example!

IMO.

If Trump wants to make a fuss over this, he has to go through a legal process to make his case, providing evidence and proof of his claims. He doesn't have the power to arbitrarily make those decisions based on his own opinions.

The news media and the public should understand how this process is supposed to work and ensure the law is followed. Take it to the judges and let them decide, appeal if you don't like it.
 
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  • #757
If Trump wants to make a fuss over this, he has to go through a legal process to make his case, providing evidence and proof of his claims. He doesn't have the power to arbitrarily make those decisions based on his own.

The news media and the public should understand how this process is supposed to work and ensure the law is followed. Take it to the judges and let them decide, appeal if you don't like it.
when do rules apply to him...jat
 
  • #758
I'm so old, I remember when we used to have laws protecting consumers from this kind of thing.

OT, if anyone is watching, CNN has retired SCOTUS justice Stephen Breyer on. He's explaining to Wolf how judge's make decisions and how the system of judicial appeals works. If a party to a legal challenge is unhappy with one judge's verdict, they're supposed to appeal to other courts. Our judicial system is set up to allow judges to review each other's opinions if a party is unhappy with a ruling.

The system doesn't allow for use of impeachment simply because a judge ruled in a way someone doesn't like.

Now he's talking about how court decisions can't be ignored. Talking about Andrew Jackson. The best thing for judges to follow the law. Judges are trained not to deal in hypothetical situations. You rule on the law. Not sure about whether we're in a constitutional crisis. Just follow the law.

Judges make decisions often after consulting with other judges. They read all the briefs, it may take weeks to analyze all of it. Often a judge's decision after reading all the opinions is different from what he originally thought.

Of course there are always people who disagree with rulings. Judges have to move on to the next case and let the appeals process take place.

Breyer also said that Justice Robert's statement yesterday about not impeaching and publicly criticizing a justice's decision was aimed at the American public so that they understand how our judicial system works. It's important to educate the public.

What does the SCOTUS, or any of the other judges, do if Trump simply decides to not comply with a judges order? How is it enforced?
 
  • #759
What does the SCOTUS, or any of the other judges, do if Trump simply decides to not comply with a judges order? How is it enforced?
Great question! US marshals are responsible for seeing that court decisions are enforced.

And US marshals serve under...the Executive Branch.

We are doomed. There is nothing to hold Trump to account.
 
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