Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[Charlot123]

With all due respect, it's not the US. It's 1 person and his cult-like followers, IMO. Trust me... I didn't want him the first time (I read up on him and O.M.Gee...) and I CERTAINLY didn't want him this time. I knew it was going to be bad but even I couldn't imagine the horrors we've all seen. And all within a few weeks.

JMO.

Well, right. Even very uneducated people here understand that tariff war is bad.

It is another thing that people should take notes and not to overbend the “political correctness” issue. You know my personal opinion, I couldn’t have cared less. But: I think this is the main reason people stand by him although his prior term was lackluster: he says what he wants, and they feel empowered to do so.
This is where the cult comes from, btw. Well, that and very artful use of TV and SM (Twitter).

No, it is not even close to what the US people think. Last term we heard about the wall, now this…

 

[LaborDayRN]

I'm not convinced that he will be gone in four years. I have some belief, based on the radical changes he has made recently, that his plan is to change law so he can continue in the role of president as long as he wants. He was unwilling to step down the first time (even though he was not re-elected), so there's little reason to believe that will change this time.

I agree otto however I think he may "want" to continue on in power, but at the age of nearly 79 his body may have other plans. JMO

 

[Charlot123]

I agree otto however I think he may "want" to continue on in power, but at the age of nearly 79 his body may have other plans. JMO

Here is the issue. Him I at least can predict. Maybe things will be better understood if you imagine that there are people who do not understand humor, at all. Zero. It might even make their lives difficult because it is a very emotional thing, humor. It turns one’s world into black-and-white. But at least, we know him.

People who might “inherit” the power I don’t understand at all. I had no time to observe or think of what I see. I see certain resilience there, anmbition, adaptability and ability to “play in the team”, but what would the person do when he comes to power is impossible to say.

And if he changes the law, he won’t be changing it for himself.

 

[Gemmie]

This is hard for most of us in both country's hating what is going on and how it's effecting all. But how do us Canadians ever trust our neighbors after this. It's shown how easy it was to break agreements when we had a relatively good relationship what's to stop it from happening again? Both sides of everyday people are feeling this. People rebuilding homes in California and southern Carolina have to rebuild after the fires and the states needing to rebuild after flooding and storms the price of lumber is going to be crazy I know the mill my partner works in in BC have said they won't be discounting the tariffs from lumber that's going to be put on the buyer. When Ontario pulls the plug supplying electricity alot of people will feel that . Usually Canadians are friendly and helpful but we sure as heck aren't feeling that way. Trudeau is on his way out who ever takes his place as prime minister won't be that nice jmoo

This saddens and depresses me more than you'll ever know. I am scared for the entire PLANET. Not just the US, or Canada, or Mexico, or anyplace else on the map, but for the health of our planet as well. We are all hurting.

This isn't the place for that discussion but those that know me well know how I feel about our planet. And in a nutshell, it's depressing and scary. If I had to give my life to heal Mother Earth, I'd do it without hesitation. I am nobody when it comes to scheme of things. It is so much bigger than me. Our planet deserves respect and I don't feel that it's getting it. And that scares me.

*gets off my soap box*

 

[Bigditch]

Tbh I don't think he's ever been here. When they opened the trump hotel in Vancouver he didn't come but I believe don Jr did. The Russians had a martini bar in that hotel. It's no longer a trump hotel it's been rebranded to something else and the Russian club closed down

Knock it down!

 

[Charlot123]

Sauvé: I served alongside Americans. Now I feel utterly betrayed by them. I feel betrayed. I served alongside Americans, in their homeland and abroad. We took in their planes and passengers on 9/11. We share sports teams. We have an integrated economy. We maintain the longest unprotected border in the world — because we are friends. Yet when the White House threatens us, the American people remain conspicuously silent

Look. There is more. We live across the border, right? When there are fires, who is the first to send firefighters to neighbors, both ways? Or donations to food banks? It was always absolutely, 100%, normal. And btw, last time with fires in California burning, Mexico sent firefighters, too. I can’t imagine not having normal relations with the neighbors, ever.

 

[otto]

This is hard for most of us in both country's hating what is going on and how it's effecting all. But how do us Canadians ever trust our neighbors after this. It's shown how easy it was to break agreements when we had a relatively good relationship what's to stop it from happening again? Both sides of everyday people are feeling this. People rebuilding homes in California and southern Carolina have to rebuild after the fires and the states needing to rebuild after flooding and storms the price of lumber is going to be crazy I know the mill my partner works in in BC have said they won't be discounting the tariffs from lumber that's going to be put on the buyer. When Ontario pulls the plug supplying electricity alot of people will feel that . Usually Canadians are friendly and helpful but we sure as heck aren't feeling that way. Trudeau is on his way out who ever takes his place as prime minister won't be that nice jmoo

Canada had 80 years of trade agreements with the USA. One agreement is that the USA wanted Canada and Mexico to manufacture some parts of the automotive industry because it was cheaper. Canada and Mexico agreed. It became the strongest trade agreement in the world.

Today, for no reason other than greed, Donald has torn up agreements he signed and turned against Canada. Consequently, Canada has learned the hard way that trusting the USA is a very dangerous option. Canadians can never make that mistake again.

Canada has a lot of what the USA needs. BC softwood lumber is higher quality than what is produced in the USA. NC, California, and perhaps SC (recent fires), means construction booms in all three states. Longstanding USA tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber are 14%. Donald has added 25% to those tariffs, meaning the USA consumer will now pay 40% extra for housing construction quality softwood lumber. This decision does not make anyone richer. It is not short term pain. This is a major financial hit to people who need softwood lumber to rebuild after natural disasters.

Canadians are always friendly and polite, but the sole purpose of this USA war against Canada is to cripple Canada's economy so that the USA can take what it wants while simultaneously trampling the rights of Indigenous Peoples and Canadians. Donald wants what Canada has, but he wants to steal it rather than pay for it. No prime minister is going to give Donald what he wants, so we'll see the same-old personal insults against the next prime minister that we saw against Trudeau (and every other world leader that stands up to Donald). Donald will name-call, insult, abuse and play dirty with the next prime minister as well. That appears to be all he knows.

 

[Charlot123]

I sure hope Canada never aligns with communist China! MOO

Europe will only align with other European countries, Canada is not a super power.

Yes, we could offer ‘support’ but minimally.

China has been infiltrating / investing financially in many parts of the world, aiming to divide and conquer.

They are in Africa, the Caribbean, Great Britain etc, etc.

As my husband said, the next war will be won without firing a shot.

They will simply walk in, when they are ready.

My understanding is that China owns thousands of acres of American arable land, so quite easy to control them with supplies (or not) of food.

MOO

1812

It is not about alignment. It is about economy. If the market for Canadian goods has shrunk, they’d sell to the rich buyer.

No, I don’t believe they’d alight in a war, but it is economy that ultimately matters.

 

[otto]

Look. There is more. We live across the border, right? When there are fires, who is the first to send firefighters to neighbors, both ways? Or donations to food banks? It was always absolutely, 100%, normal. And btw, last time with fires in California burning, Mexico sent firefighters, too. I can’t imagine not having normal relations with the neighbors, ever.

Canada will always be a reliable neighbour to the USA, but the USA is no longer a reliable neighbour to Canada. Canadians have not changed. The USA has changed. Canadians are adjusting to that change, and will never make the mistake again of trusting that unreliable neighbour. Canada would be foolish to do otherwise.

 

[Warwick1991]

Canada had 80 years of trade agreements with the USA. One agreement is that the USA wanted Canada and Mexico to manufacture some parts of the automotive industry because it was cheaper. Canada and Mexico agreed. It became the strongest trade agreement in the world.

Today, for no reason other than greed, Donald has torn up agreements he signed and turned against Canada. Consequently, Canada has learned the hard way that trusting the USA is a very dangerous option. Canadians can never make that mistake again.

Canada has a lot of what the USA needs. BC softwood lumber is higher quality than what is produced in the USA. NC, California, and perhaps SC (recent fires), means construction booms in all three states. Longstanding USA tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber are 14%. Donald has added 25% to those tariffs, meaning the USA consumer will now pay 40% extra for housing construction quality softwood lumber. This decision does not make anyone richer. It is not short term pain. This is a major financial hit to people who need softwood lumber to rebuild after natural disasters.

Canadians are always friendly and polite, but the sole purpose of this USA war against Canada is to cripple Canada's economy so that the USA can take what it wants while simultaneously trampling the rights of Indigenous Peoples and Canadians. Donald wants what Canada has, but he wants to steal it rather than pay for it. No prime minister is going to give Donald what he wants, so we'll see the same-old personal insults against the next prime minister that we saw against Trudeau (and every other world leader that stands up to Donald). Donald will name-call, insult, abuse and play dirty with the next prime minister as well. That appears to be all he knows.

I'm not sure the purpose is to cripple Canada's economy, but it might. In the US, the importer and the consumer pay for tariffs imposed by Trump. It will cripple the US economy, too. We in the US have many vital imports from Canada and Mexico. The endgame and purpose is hard to read, but such a scenario ultimately serves Russian and Chinese interests. In the 19th century, the US government got most of its income from tariffs, and had no income tax, but that was not today's economic world.

The situation makes me feel awful.

 

[keek]

Canada will always be a reliable neighbour to the USA, but the USA is no longer a reliable neighbour to Canada. Canadians have not changed. The USA has changed. Canadians are adjusting to that change, and will never make the mistake again of trusting that unreliable neighbour. Canada would be foolish to do otherwise.

It's t and his people. It so bothers me when people say USA, understandable to use but kills me. Yes, it is def the people who helped get him in too for full blame, knowingly or simply not wanting to be informed or it meant nothing to them or horribly it did.

 

[otto]

I'm not sure the purpose is to cripple Canada's economy, but it might. In the US, the importer and the consumer pay for tariffs imposed by Trump. It will cripple the US economy, too. We in the US have many vital imports from Canada and Mexico. The endgame and purpose is hard to read, but such a scenario ultimately serves Russian and Chinese interests. In the 19th century, the US government got most of its income from tariffs, and had no income tax, but that was not today's economic world.

The situation makes me feel awful.

Donald wants Panama, Greenland and Canada for the same reason: shipping channels. Arctic melt means the Arctic shipping channel will open up. Trump wants control, but he has no rights. Donald hides this goal under claims that Canada is under threat from Russia and China, but there is no threat.

The green line is the shipping route along Canada and Greenland. The red line is the shipping route along Russia. Donald wants control of the green line but he has no rights. How does he get rights - he starts a war with Canada, cripples the economy, then offers to stop harming Canadians if they give him what he wants. In addition to wanting ownership control of Canada's Arctic border, he wants Canada's natural resources that are necessary for military use, and water. He will not stop until he has it all without paying for it. That's his plan, and Canadians are disgusted.

 

[sds71]

President Trump has already offered relief to auto industry Exemptions could cover potash, fertilizer used by US farmers.

President Donald Trump is considering exempting certain agricultural products from tariffs imposed on Canada and Mexico, the latest move by the administration on Wednesday to offer relief to certain sectors from the sweeping new import taxes.

Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins told Bloomberg News that “everything is on the table” and she is “hopeful” that the administration could decide on providing relief for the agricultural sector.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-05/trump-weighs-agriculture-carveouts-from-canada-mexico-tariffs

 

[Slebby]

With all due respect, it's not the US. It's 1 person and his cult-like followers, IMO. Trust me... I didn't want him the first time (I read up on him and O.M.Gee...) and I CERTAINLY didn't want him this time. I knew it was going to be bad but even I couldn't imagine the horrors we've all seen. And all within a few weeks.

JMO.

I do feel for folks who didn’t vote for him. I do. But please understand how it looks from the outside. He was elected in 2016. That could have been a terrible mistake. For him to get re-elected in 2024, that’s not a mistake. Like it or not, half of the US voters chose this. This is who the US is. As much as folks can say don’t look at me, I didn’t vote for him, I hope they’re prepared to do more than shrug and say don’t look at me. We Canadians are afraid as we’ve never thought we’d have to be afraid. I’m sure you feel helpless, but imagine how we feel. We are a sovereign country, we have a distinct culture and identity, and your President disrespects our Prime Minister and talks about us being the 51st state. No thank you.
I wish you well. I hope you find your way out of this mess as I hope we survive it without decimating our economy or losing our sovereignty.

 

[otto]

President Trump has already offered relief to auto industry Exemptions could cover potash, fertilizer used by US farmers.

President Donald Trump is considering exempting certain agricultural products from tariffs imposed on Canada and Mexico, the latest move by the administration on Wednesday to offer relief to certain sectors from the sweeping new import taxes.

Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins told Bloomberg News that “everything is on the table” and she is “hopeful” that the administration could decide on providing relief for the agricultural sector.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-05/trump-weighs-agriculture-carveouts-from-canada-mexico-tariffs

The last time Donald imposed tariffs on agriculture, he paid heavily. He should know better than to do it again, but he doesn't.

"The Trump administration gave more taxpayer dollars to farmers harmed by the administration’s trade policies than the federal government spends each year building ships for the Navy or maintaining America’s nuclear arsenal, according to a new report. A National Foundation for American Policy analysis concluded the spending on farmers was also higher than the annual budgets of several government agencies. “The amount of money raises questions about the strategy of imposing tariffs and permitting the use of taxpayer money to shield policymakers from the consequences of their actions,” according to the analysis.

Trump Tariff Aid To Farmers Cost More Than U.S. Nuclear Forces

The $28 billion for farmers raises questions about using taxpayer money to shield policymakers from the consequences of tariff increases.

www.forbes.com

 

[Warwick1991]

Donald wants Panama, Greenland and Canada for the same reason: shipping channels. Arctic melt means the Arctic shipping channel will open up. Trump wants control, but he has no rights. Donald hides this goal under claims that Canada is under threat from Russia and China, but there is no threat.

The green line is the shipping route along Canada and Greenland. The red line is the shipping route along Russia. Donald wants control of the green line but he has no rights. How does he get rights - he starts a war with Canada, cripples the economy, then offers to stop harming Canadians if they give him what he wants. In addition to wanting ownership control of Canada's Arctic border, he wants Canada's natural resources that are necessary for military use, and water. He will not stop until he has it all without paying for it. That's his plan, and Canadians are disgusted.

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It's interesting, but the US has been in the Canadian Arctic for a while - submarines have been traversing this area for years. US treaties with Canada have tied defenses together for years. The US doesn't need sovereignty over Canadian territory, especially for military purposes.

Since Trump denies climate change, and is shutting down much of NOAA, which predicts weather and models climate change, I think he lacks the foresight to envision the transformation of shipping lanes....

 

[Warwick1991]

President Trump has already offered relief to auto industry Exemptions could cover potash, fertilizer used by US farmers.

President Donald Trump is considering exempting certain agricultural products from tariffs imposed on Canada and Mexico, the latest move by the administration on Wednesday to offer relief to certain sectors from the sweeping new import taxes.

Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins told Bloomberg News that “everything is on the table” and she is “hopeful” that the administration could decide on providing relief for the agricultural sector.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-05/trump-weighs-agriculture-carveouts-from-canada-mexico-tariffs

But the relief from tariffs is only for 30 days.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/05/trump-grants-automakers-one-month-exemption-from-tariffs.html

That's not going to solve the problems of US auto makers.

 

[Charlot123]

Canada will always be a reliable neighbour to the USA, but the USA is no longer a reliable neighbour to Canada. Canadians have not changed. The USA has changed. Canadians are adjusting to that change, and will never make the mistake again of trusting that unreliable neighbour. Canada would be foolish to do otherwise.

I wouldn’t view it like this.

The neighbor has become unreliable not because of this guy. Maybe the fact that they’ve voted for this guy is a bad sign, but we can trace a lengthy track of events leading to it.

Don’t you have the same type of people in Canada? Who would have voted for another version of him? Surely you do. Once we were flying to *other neighbor* with a couple of Canadians. Well, the flight was long and I got an earful about your PM.

And I am not sure that Canada won’t move to the same direction with new elections either. One never knows.

I think it is just a sign for the reasonable people in the world to continue staying reasonable, united and raising their kids in the same way. While also, analyzing how things happen. After all, our “new one” tried to get elected in 2004. Few remember it. I think the chain of factors needs to be evaluated.

 

[JDG]

https://websleuths.com/attachments/1741189418142-webp.568331/

A very recent picture taken in Burlington, Ontario.

Very timely.

 

[Warwick1991]

I can't discern a practical motive for a US trade war with Canada, except to benefit an adversary. JMO