Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[musicaljoke]

RSBM,

I really have to wonder, after watching the stocks crash yesterday (the ones we knew would crash: ie: automakers, all those American Banks that according to DT aren't allowed to operate in Canada [yet another DT lie BTW a American Banks are in business up here - that's why their stcks crashed]) etc

...

Then with The Donald today trying to walk back his tariffs ...

Who bought stocks at their highly devalued prices yesterday ... knowing they would increase today if his walk-back had worked (it didn't as Canada told him that all our reciprocal tariffs will stay on until every one he placed on us is gone)???

Which rich folks tried to get richer knowing that immediate walk-back attempt was going to happen? Who knew?

Maybe that's just me.

Bingo. I spoke with our financial advisor today, and he said pretty much the same thing. Someone is maintaining chaos in the industry in order to manipulate the stock market.

 

[Snoopster]

Donald wants Panama, Greenland and Canada for the same reason: shipping channels. Arctic melt means the Arctic shipping channel will open up. Trump wants control, but he has no rights. Donald hides this goal under claims that Canada is under threat from Russia and China, but there is no threat.

The green line is the shipping route along Canada and Greenland. The red line is the shipping route along Russia. Donald wants control of the green line but he has no rights. How does he get rights - he starts a war with Canada, cripples the economy, then offers to stop harming Canadians if they give him what he wants. In addition to wanting ownership control of Canada's Arctic border, he wants Canada's natural resources that are necessary for military use, and water. He will not stop until he has it all without paying for it. That's his plan, and Canadians are disgusted.

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This is bang on Otto.
This "game" that Trump is playing is all about resources and access to resources.

 

[Snoopster]

Well if you spoke to *some* Canadians on a flight and they were critical of the PM I guess that’s a strong representation of all Canadians…

Agree with this take.
Canadians might squabble between political parties and leaders, but we are much more the same than the wild west of the USA. Canadians value human rights. We value science. We value education. We value health care for all. These are basic human rights.

We are now living with a bully at our doorstep. The American government has attacked Canada, despite being their closest friend and ally. We now look to our true friends in the USA to stand with us. We have always stood with you.

 

[musicaljoke]

This is bang on Otto.
This "game" that Trump is playing is all about resources and access to resources.

But does he lack resources? No. The US can purchase all they want from countries that export the things they need. Trump just made them more expensive by putting tariffs on them. One cannot make sense of his actions.

 

[Snoopster]

But does he lack resources? No. The US can purchase all they want from countries that export the things they need. Trump just made them more expensive by putting tariffs on them. One cannot make sense of his actions.

Agree.
But good luck to him getting the potash that the US farmers need. The US imports about 87% of their potash from Canada. The rest they get from China (who they also just raised tariffs on). American farmers are 'f'd' . Trump had bitten off his nose to spite his face.

Canada has been a loyal friend to the US. What was he thinking?? (OK, I'm guessing he was trying to keep Putin happy. So shame on him.)

 

[Snoopster]

I sure hope Canada never aligns with communist China! MOO

Europe will only align with other European countries, Canada is not a super power.

Yes, we could offer ‘support’ but minimally.

China has been infiltrating / investing financially in many parts of the world, aiming to divide and conquer.

They are in Africa, the Caribbean, Great Britain etc, etc.

As my husband said, the next war will be won without firing a shot.

They will simply walk in, when they are ready.

My understanding is that China owns thousands of acres of American arable land, so quite easy to control them with supplies (or not) of food.

MOO

1812

I think, and hope, that you are misjudging this situation. Europe is definitely aligning with Canada. Look at what almost every European leader has said.
They understand that Canada is the canary in the coalmine, with regard to the US. Trudeau was invited to attend the European discussions about the problem child, USA.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Agree.
But good luck to him getting the potash that the US farmers need. The US imports about 87% of their potash from Canada. The rest they get from China (who they also just raised tariffs on). American farmers are 'f'd' . Trump had bitten off his nose to spite his face.

Canada has been a loyal friend to the US. What was he thinking?? (OK, I'm guessing he was trying to keep Putin happy. So shame on him.)

This came out In December but it's been talked about for a while. Why is trump buddy buddy with Putin? And why do we hear nothing about this any more

Putin ally calls for Alaska's return to Russia

Vladimir Solovyov called for the U.S. state's return to Russia after Russian military aircrafts recently entered international airspace close to Alaska.

www.newsweek.com

 

[SouthAussie]

The tariffs are really starting to get messy with other countries also. China says it is ready for 'any type of war' with US. China has warned the US it is ready to fight "any type" of war after hitting back against President Donald Trump's mounting trade tariffs.

The US started attacking us (Australia) yesterday. Peter Navarro says we are doing a frontal attack on US aluminium markets.

We sell a teeny tiny amount of aluminium to the US - just 3% of what the US needs/wants.


The description of Australia as representing a “frontal assault” on US markets, given its modest market share, has confounded government and industry alike.

Trump’s trade adviser says Australia is waging a ‘frontal assault’ on US aluminium markets. What’s really going on?

Peter Navarro claims aluminium makers in Australia are undermining the US. Are they really?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Warwick1991]

The US started attacking us (Australia) yesterday. Peter Navarro says we are doing a frontal attack on US aluminium markets.

We sell a teeny tiny amount of aluminium to the US - just 3% of what the US needs/wants.


The description of Australia as representing a “frontal assault” on US markets, given its modest market share, has confounded government and industry alike.

Trump’s trade adviser says Australia is waging a ‘frontal assault’ on US aluminium markets. What’s really going on?

Peter Navarro claims aluminium makers in Australia are undermining the US. Are they really?

www.theguardian.com

This is probably a prelude to the US distancing itself from the ANZUS treaty and the 2007 Defense Trade Cooperation Treaty. Since the assertions are groundless, it is a pretext for something else. It may also reflect an unwillingness to defend Taiwan. In essence, this may be the beginning of repeating what the US is doing to Europe and Ukraine to its long time allies in the Pacific. It may mean the US is disengaging from its treaty obligations to Australia, NZ and ultimately Taiwan. JMO

 

[Charlot123]

Yup no more Josh Pino Grigio. No more Bacardi

Do they allow to bring it through the customs now or does it automatically become contraband?

 

[SouthAussie]

This is probably a prelude to the US distancing itself from the ANZUS treaty and the 2007 Defense Trade Cooperation Treaty. Since the assertions are groundless, it is a pretext for something else. It may also reflect an unwillingness to defend Taiwan. In essence, this may be the beginning of repeating what the US is doing to Europe and Ukraine to its long time allies in the Pacific. It may mean the US is disengaging from its treaty obligations to Australia, NZ and ultimately Taiwan. JMO

Goodbye is what I say.
And as this thread is about tariffs, I say tariff away against Australia, and break the free trade deals.
We have tons of minerals and metals that we provide all over the place. And a stronger political allegiance (I think) to the Commonwealth.
Though it might be a bit uncomfortable for one or two of our mining magnates who like to suck up to the wrong people.

imo

 

[Charlot123]

Oh, I TOTALLY get how it looks from the outside and I hate that he's made us the laughing stock of the world. Also that some believe all of us are OK with him. I need a t-shirt that says "Not my President". And what I dislike more is about half the country is OK with it. HALF. This is not OK. Or it shouldn't be OK. And it's scary to say the least.

When I watched his meeting with Zelensky my heart fell. I was in utter shock. I wanted to write him, and other heads around the world a letter saying how sorry I am that they and their countries are dealing with all they are currently dealing with, and for what's coming down the pike. But I'm a nobody in the scheme of things, and they'd likely never see my letter telling them how sorry I am so I didn't do it. But I thought about it.

Our country is so divided right now and 4 years without him didn't change that. There was no healing which is not good. Due to that I fear that other countries, like yours/Canada, won't be able to move past the damage, even once he's long gone. For that I'm sorry. I don't want to be thought of negatively because of what others did to put him into office.

I'm going to end this by quoting something I've been quoting since the early 1990's....

"Cant we all get along?" - Rodney King (1965-2012)

Unfortunately it appears we can't, but I can keep wishing and hoping we can.

Note - My use of that quote was broad in nature. I wasn't addressing the "we"s in this thread. I meant the entire world. Knowing the answer to that question doesn't stop me from hoping and praying that it could come true.

two films by Michael Moore, Canadian Bacon and TrumpLand, are eeringly predictive. Maybe I should watch all of his movies to understand how we got here.

TrumpLand people, who have nothing! - nothing…many of whom have been to jail, who barely got clean, who struggle to keep a job not because they are dumb (they are not) but because jobs have gone overseas (a nod to Moore’s first movie), they deify Trump. They don’t deify their own representatives who, they feel, are distant and far. But Trump, who spends his time on golf courts, is not viewed as distant. He can’t ever do wrong in their eyes. They marched on the Capitol for him. They probably will die for him. They waited for his second coming. Why? - He is blunt. He is unafraid to say what he thinks or maybe simply can’t present it in a better way and now they can do the same. He gave them the voice; well, anyhow they feel heard now.

JMO - we can blame the politicians, we can blame the media, the whole political entourage but I truly can’t blame these people. Hillary Clinton (for whom I voted, don’t get me wrong) called them “deplorables.” Granted, she also is not tailored to be a politician. But the fact that we missed this basket filling in and now don’t listen to these people (or maybe if we want to, it is too late) - it falls on us, too.

Yes, the country was always divided, probably, way before the Civil War. On some aspects. It grew up on welcoming immigrants, and it was its strength, but now the chasm we see is deeply economical and this is the most concerning.

 

[sunshineray]

Trump seems to be wavering again.
Is it the stock market tanking?
Is it the American farmers screaming for their fertilizer?
Is it the NE Americans concerned about their electricity supply?

Perhaps it wasn't wise to poke the moose. Canada and the USA each benefit from their relationship. They've been long-term friends and allies. Trump has tried to break that bond. Most Americans don't want that bond broken. Unfortunately, many Americans believe that Canada is 'taking advantage' of the USA. That's preposterous IMO.

Sign in front of the American consulate in Toronto:

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Canadians are friends with Americans. Please don't let your President turn us into enemies. We both deserve better than that.

Can someone please post that plaque on that "Truth" SM place. Please know there are many Americans that treasure our Canadian neighbors <3 and actively scorn America's present administration.

 

[Bigditch]

I wouldn’t view it like this.

The neighbor has become unreliable not because of this guy. Maybe the fact that they’ve voted for this guy is a bad sign, but we can trace a lengthy track of events leading to it.

Don’t you have the same type of people in Canada? Who would have voted for another version of him? Surely you do. Once we were flying to *other neighbor* with a couple of Canadians. Well, the flight was long and I got an earful about your PM.

And I am not sure that Canada won’t move to the same direction with new elections either. One never knows.

I think it is just a sign for the reasonable people in the world to continue staying reasonable, united and raising their kids in the same way. While also, analyzing how things happen. After all, our “new one” tried to get elected in 2004. Few remember it. I think the chain of factors needs to be

I agree with your take. (Although I like Trudeau more that you do. Perhaps it's because you live in Alberta, where the oil & gas industry is key. and that's fair.)

The dual Republican/Democratic divide in the USA creates a strong tribe mentality. In Canada, people are more willing to shift parties, based on policy. And that means we are more likely to stand together in the end.

We Canadians will stick together. We might have squabbles, as siblings do, but in the end we aren't all that different.

Like that "tribe mentality", or Us vs Them. I personally like Trudeau, at least he's not orange!

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

two films by Michael Moore, Canadian Bacon and TrumpLand, are eeringly predictive. Maybe I should watch all of his movies to understand how we got here.

TrumpLand people, who have nothing! - nothing…many of whom have been to jail, who barely got clean, who struggle to keep a job not because they are dumb (they are not) but because jobs have gone overseas (a nod to Moore’s first movie), they deify Trump. They don’t deify their own representatives who, they feel, are distant and far. But Trump, who spends his time on golf courts, is not viewed as distant. He can’t ever do wrong in their eyes. They marched on the Capitol for him. They probably will die for him. They waited for his second coming. Why? - He is blunt. He is unafraid to say what he thinks or maybe simply can’t present it in a better way and now they can do the same. He gave them the voice; well, anyhow they feel heard now.

JMO - we can blame the politicians, we can blame the media, the whole political entourage but I truly can’t blame these people. Hillary Clinton (for whom I voted, don’t get me wrong) called them “deplorables.” Granted, she also is not tailored to be a politician. But the fact that we missed this basket filling in and now don’t listen to these people (or maybe if we want to, it is too late) - it falls on us, too.

Yes, the country was always divided, probably, way before the Civil War. On some aspects. It grew up on welcoming immigrants, and it was its strength, but now the chasm we see is deeply economical and this is the most concerning.

Michael Moore is a shameless propagandist. He’s misleading and lacks perspective. All he did was attack Trump and did damage control for Clinton. Filmmakers should be careful when labeling something as a documentary. That’s not what that was. moo
ETA Clinton is the reason you got Trump. moo

 

[Charlot123]

Michael Moore is a shameless propagandist. He’s misleading and lacks perspective. All he did was attack Trump and did damage control for Clinton. Filmmakers should be careful when labeling something as a documentary. That’s not what that was. moo

He actually explained why he thought Trump might win. I think it was very clear. Michael Moore is from Flint, Michigan, so “TrumpLand” is his land.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

He actually explained why he thought Trump might win. I think it was very clear. Michael Moore is from Flint, Michigan, so “TrumpLand” is his land.

Sure and half the movie was damage control for Hilary. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s a political provocateur.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Our local produce market in bc now has Australian cherrys and grapes and a few other new Aussie fruit and veggies

I'm glad us Aussies could help

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I'm going to look out for any Canadian products I can buy.

 

[Tealgrove]

Do they allow to bring it through the customs now or does it automatically become contraband?

It’s not illegal and this particular action is a Provincial mandate not federal. There was no law regarding this. Premier Doug Ford chose to do this.

I wonder if a duty will be applied to alcohol when it comes across the border.