Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

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  • #181
Michael Moore is a shameless propagandist. He’s misleading and lacks perspective. All he did was attack Trump and did damage control for Clinton. Filmmakers should be careful when labeling something as a documentary. That’s not what that was. moo
ETA Clinton is the reason you got Trump. moo

Moore is a political activist, and a good one with a far reaching voice. He enables people to think about things they hadn't realised or thought about. Not lies, but another perspective.

It is good to have voices that bring awareness.

imo
 
  • #182
Canada goose fights off bald eagle in rare, symbolism-laden battle on ice

Canada goose fights off bald eagle in rare, symbolism-laden battle on ice​

Photographer captures 20-minute clash between birds emblematic of Canada and US amid high trade tensions
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  • #183
Tesla sales are plummeting in Canada. Is a backlash against Elon Musk to blame?.
Tesla sales have declined significantly in Canada in the last year — approximately 70 per cent between December 2024 and January 2025, according to shop4tesla.com.
Launched on Feb. 20, it accuses Musk of acting against Canada’s national interest and undermining its sovereignty.

In Canada, citizenship can be revoked only if someone has committed fraud, misrepresented themselves or knowingly hid information on an immigration or citizenship application. Musk was born in South Africa and has Canadian and U.S. citizenship. He acquired Canadian citizenship via his mother, who was born in Saskatchewan.
Thank you for posting that @LovesPeace2 ….. I too am extremely concerned as an individual in the US.

Concern is what this individual Musk might try to do with his unfettered role in DOGE and either within or alongside the current administration with Mr. Trump?

What measures might Musk employ or utilize to affect, influence, or protect his personal investments? Private companies he owns? Or….. to hamper or impede a competitor of his or their business interests?

IMO it is preposterous that Congress and others are not clamoring to remove Musk’s influence and ‘hand on the wheels’. IMO such an individual has no personal or private or public business being involved in such a manner. He should not have such access to the WH or Mr. Trump IMO.

CNN online March 6, 2025 article by Chris Isidore entitled ‘Wall Street is turning its back on Elon Musk‘ reports similar to the above cited reference:


And if the investment community is apparently waning in its opinion of Musk, what measures might he utilize to try and remain in influence? To remain involved? To counter a perceived loss in influential capacity?

Further….. IMO this concern on Musk also belongs on the Russia Ukraine war WS thread too. For how much are Musk and others doing ‘behind the scenes’ to affect matters regarding their private or other investments and holdings? This needs to be monitored and IMO stopped. SMH. MOO
 
  • #184
Do they allow to bring it through the customs now or does it automatically become contraband?
I'm not sure I know tariffs are being collected at border crossings .but we have awesome winery's in Canada and a pretty good rum and whiskey made with maple syrup .
 
  • #185
It’s not illegal and this particular action is a Provincial mandate not federal. There was no law regarding this. Premier Doug Ford chose to do this.

I wonder if a duty will be applied to alcohol when it comes across the border.
Yup each province is different. IIRC, all of Ontario's liquor stores are owned by the province, so the provincial government can control everything in the supply chain. In Saskatchewan, we recently changed to a model where the province is the supplier - the stores themselves are privately owned, but they have to buy all their products from the provincial government. So the premier announced yesterday that the province will no longer source American liquor, but stores are free to sell the stock they've already purchased.
 
  • #186
I'm glad us Aussies could help ❤️
Actually lol I was surprised I didn't know you guys grew cherries and the red Allison grapes were soooo good .but it's also showing us (Canadians) that we have options and it only took two weeks to get the Aussie produce in stores thank you
 
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They are delulu if they think this hasn't effected the relationship. Has Canada ever threatened to cut off power and minerals before has Canada ever taken out American products at the stores? It's the public not buying American made products we are telling the grocery stores we don't want American products .we the Canadian public are asking Doug Ford to shut off the power. Canada will never ever have the same relationship with the USA again. Jmvho my Canadian opinion


Ross was one of a handful of initial cabinet members in Trump’s first administration who kept their position for the entire four-year term. He fell out of favour with the U.S. president in the first term, but maintains a close personal relationship with him and his circle. He says he had dinner with new commerce secretary Howard Lutnick last week.He believes the Canadians have got the wrong idea with tariffs (a common refrain from Trump advisers), and that it hasn’t affected the overall relationship.
 
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Do they allow to bring it through the customs now or does it automatically become contraband?
Goods can be purchased in the USA and brought into Canada, where there will be a 25% tariff tax. The same tax applies to online orders.

"Since U.S. President Donald Trump’s imposition of 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian goods went into effect Tuesday, and the imposition of retaliatory tariffs by the Canadian government, Canadians who choose to cross-border shop and individuals returning from travel in the U.S. will be paying a hefty surtax at the border on top of regular duties and taxes.

Casual U.S. imports by travellers who exceed their personal exemption limits — whether it’s a carry-on full of Disney souvenirs or a load of groceries — are subject to a surtax of 25 per cent on the “value for duty,” in accordance with the Canadian government’s “United States Surtax Order (2025).”

 
  • #191
They are delulu if they think this hasn't effected the relationship. Has Canada ever threatened to cut off power and minerals before has Canada ever taken out American products at the stores? It's the public not buying American made products we are telling the grocery stores we don't want American products .we the Canadian public are asking Doug Ford to shut off the power. Canada will never ever have the same relationship with the USA again. Jmvho my Canadian opinion


Ross was one of a handful of initial cabinet members in Trump’s first administration who kept their position for the entire four-year term. He fell out of favour with the U.S. president in the first term, but maintains a close personal relationship with him and his circle. He says he had dinner with new commerce secretary Howard Lutnick last week.He believes the Canadians have got the wrong idea with tariffs (a common refrain from Trump advisers), and that it hasn’t affected the overall relationship.
Ummm we’re not stupid and we don’t have the wrong idea about the tariffs. Come on….

Secondly, I would propose that Mr. Lutnick has it “wrong”. It will take a very long time to “repair” our “relationship” if ever.

Canadians are nice people but we are standing tall right now. The relationship has changed and it isn’t for the good.

Shockingly it took a very short time for Trump and his bevy of oligarchs to destroy a partnership with Canada that has stood strong for a very long time.

This is so sad on both sides of the Border.

MOO
 
  • #192
Posted on page two, upthread also.

It’s a fabulous picture on any day but highly significant given the present state of affairs.

That eagle best back off, the Canada goose will flatten him or worse.
Apologies for repeating the post, should've checked.

But yeah - "Mess with the honk, you get the bonk!" <3
 
  • #193
They are delulu if they think this hasn't effected the relationship. Has Canada ever threatened to cut off power and minerals before has Canada ever taken out American products at the stores? It's the public not buying American made products we are telling the grocery stores we don't want American products .we the Canadian public are asking Doug Ford to shut off the power. Canada will never ever have the same relationship with the USA again. Jmvho my Canadian opinion


Ross was one of a handful of initial cabinet members in Trump’s first administration who kept their position for the entire four-year term. He fell out of favour with the U.S. president in the first term, but maintains a close personal relationship with him and his circle. He says he had dinner with new commerce secretary Howard Lutnick last week.He believes the Canadians have got the wrong idea with tariffs (a common refrain from Trump advisers), and that it hasn’t affected the overall relationship.
Any suggestion that a 25% tax on Canadian products entering the USA is benign, or has not changed the Canada-USA relationship, is propaganda. The tariff tax is illegal, and a violation of the free trade agreement signed by Donald. That is the first problem.

The second problem is that the Trade War is a war that the USA started against Canada. For years I have read about the giddy excitement Republicans have about a war with Democrats. They have their guns ready and are eager to use force to assert their authority. Winning the election means they won that war, but those same people still have their war mentality.

Turning that war mentality against migrants, Canada, Greenland, Panama, Ukraine and more, was easy. Those same people are unified as 'victims' who have to eliminate criminal migrants, thieving allies, and unfair, nasty trade partners. For them, it's fun, funny, a show of force and dominance, and it gives them a sense of belonging to a unified brotherhood/sisterhood. They don't care whether war is justified, logical, or whether there are consequences to their neighbours. They just want to win.

What do they want to win? That's the strange piece. Everyone in the USA will tell you that they are the greatest country in the world with the best lifestyle imaginable. Donald has told them that they are going to be rich again. But ... aren't they already the richest? Therefore, regardless of the outcome, Donald will tell them that he succeeded in making them "rich again", although nothing will have changed.
 
  • #194
Michael Moore is a shameless propagandist. He’s misleading and lacks perspective. All he did was attack Trump and did damage control for Clinton. Filmmakers should be careful when labeling something as a documentary. That’s not what that was. moo
ETA Clinton is the reason you got Trump. moo

I call bs. That is what is wrong with the world.

Not enough people respect the Arts!

fyi, Hollywood isn't real
 
  • #195
I call bs. That is what is wrong with the world.

Not enough people respect the Arts!

fyi, Hollywood isn't real
I think one of the few reasons that Canadians remember Michael Moore is because he went to homes in Canada, checked the front door to see whether it was locked, then walked in. That's weird, also known as trespassing. He was trying to make some point about guns, but instead exploited the safety of Canadians.
 
  • #196
We have so many Canadians living here, working here. You forget that they are from Canada. Because, indeed, who cared? Ever?
Now things will be complicated no doubt. And tiny US enclave that is on Canadian territory? So far the problem for people was, to avoid driving to and from US, they had to find jobs in the area. How will it be now?

OK I found a good way to travel through all Canada. If they allow you to hop off and back on as I have friends and even relatives in Canada, and they have good Internet there, it is doable!

 
  • #197
We have so many Canadians living here, working here. You forget that they are from Canada. Because, indeed, who cared? Ever?
Now things will be complicated no doubt. And tiny US enclave that is on Canadian territory? So far the problem for people was, to avoid driving to and from US, they had to find jobs in the area. How will it be now?

OK I found a good way to travel through all Canada. If they allow you to hop off and back on as I have friends and even relatives in Canada, and they have good Internet there, it is doable!

There are more than one million people from the USA working and living in Canada according to 2023 stats. That tiny enclave of one million people won't change anything, except buy Produced in Canada to avoid the USA tariff tax.
 
  • #198
I say Doug Ford needs to turn off the power and the rest of Canada start shutting down our natural resources from going to the USA . We need to stop being a doormat just my opinion



Donald Trump pulled back from his trade war with Mexico on Thursday, temporarily delaying tariffs on many goods from the country once again, but continued to attack Canada
 
  • #199
We have so many Canadians living here, working here. You forget that they are from Canada. Because, indeed, who cared? Ever?
Now things will be complicated no doubt. And tiny US enclave that is on Canadian territory? So far the problem for people was, to avoid driving to and from US, they had to find jobs in the area. How will it be now?

OK I found a good way to travel through all Canada. If they allow you to hop off and back on as I have friends and even relatives in Canada, and they have good Internet there, it is doable!

Yeppers I've done that journey across Canada by train it's beautiful going threw the mountains . There's also a train that goes to Churchill Manitoba . Manitoba has the best hunting and fishing and The Pas Manitoba has Clearwater lake it's the clearest lake in North America and 3 Rd clearest in the world.
 
  • #200
I say Doug Ford needs to turn off the power and the rest of Canada start shutting down our natural resources from going to the USA . We need to stop being a doormat just my opinion



Donald Trump pulled back from his trade war with Mexico on Thursday, temporarily delaying tariffs on many goods from the country once again, but continued to attack Canada
He kinda just did. 25% tariff on electricity going to the US.

We’re not buckling. We Canucks are serious.
 
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