Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[sapphire blue]

LOL.

You think it’s funny that the US president wants to redraw the border with Canada? Have you learnt nothing from ukraines experience of a country invading intent on taking over?

 

[Trooper]

What are Americans getting out of all this.. all this revenue flooding in from tariffs, and fines, and re naming of gulfs, and slinging off insults and threats to Canadians, and AUstralians, and New Zealanders, and Lesothoans, and Panamanians, and the Danes, and the Greenlanders, and so on, ad infinitum? are they getting satisfaction? or a bonus check?? cheaper fuel? a doz Eggs?? a private education for all? free University?

.....finally, finally, singlepay universal health care, SURELY that is going to be provided, for all this upheaval, and sturm und drang?? Surely their medieval system of ''health extortion' has had it's day, and now, DT is going to finance all that stuff, like in a week or so.

Or are they going to be left with ashes and dust, and a tattered flag?

 

[keek]

You think it’s funny that the US president wants to redraw the border with Canada? Have you learnt nothing from ukraines experience of a country invading intent on taking over?

He can't, it's another one of his outrageous sitting around imagining his massive new power over all things. Ludicrous. Hence 'lol'.

 

[sapphire blue]

Yeah, from what I'm seeing the US mainstream media is noticeably absent reporting on protests around the country. People have to get louder and bolder, otherwise American democracy is doomed. And they'll take the rest of the democratic world with them.

Any US media owned by Murdoch will no doubt be aligned with trump, their silence is unsurprising.

 

[sapphire blue]

He can't, it's another one of his outrageous sitting around imagining his massive new power over all things. Ludicrous. Hence 'lol'.

‘He can’t’ is not to say he won’t, look at what he is already doing.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Glacier National Park,, the Zephyr, the Chief!!, Baton Rouge!, Santa Barbara, Boston, ..hell I even have a soft spot for Olathe , Kansas, why, I don't know, maybe it was a gorgeous creature at a diner there who was a born commedian, . all measled up, now .. and probably worse, god alone knows what else is lurking... measles is a gateway infectious disease, it paves the way for dreadful stuff...

I have a grandson who is not old enough to get the measles vaccine. He's only 7 months old and a child needs to be 12-14 months to recieve the vaccine.

 

[keek]

‘He can’t’ is not to say he won’t, look at what he is already doing.

Oh very horribly aware, you'd see in all my comments. He's using his bullying mouth but there has been some stopping of his ability to do a couple of his things so far.

 

[Cedars]

He can't, it's another one of his outrageous sitting around imagining his massive new power over all things. Ludicrous. Hence 'lol'.

He might sign an Executive Order that the border no longer exists...would Google change the map? And then he'd ban any news media from White House press conferences if they referred to a place called 'Canada'.

And just insist, as Musk has, 'it's not a real country'. Just a bunch of squatters on American land...They invaded the US, and now they owe us billions of dollars we loaned them...

And all the Maga supporters would repeat it ad naseum on social media, so that would make it true.

 

[seasideForest]

There many large and small demonstrations/protests, some I do see are locally newsed photographed, but true when you say this, seems NOT that loud and boldly put out there. Been going on a while. Lots of calling, emailing to our local political reps to both parties, prob not from magas though of course. It is def happening but the senators and representatives have to act on what their people are doing and saying, they do not want to lose votes if do nothing, like STAND UP.

Certainly not from the magas, that goes without saying.
Good to know otherwise. But I suspect you all need to get louder, JMO, and of course easier to say from overseas.

Just this morning one protest is in our news though: Kürzungen: Rettet die Wissenschaft: US-Proteste gegen Trumps Politik
You should get an automatic Google translate when you open the link.

 

[Trooper]

Nobody, in whatever language they speak is ever, ever going to call it the Gulf of America. As far as the rest of the world is concerned it will be , always has been, always is, the Gulf of Mexico... only MAGA has a weird outlook on this, and they can mumble away in any manner they choose, it changes nothing.

Of course , that won't stop Australians calling the Pacific the Australia Ocean.. and we are not stopping there, the Indian Ocean is really the Australian Ocean, too, and along with that, just to hit the trifecta, the Great Southern Ocean is now the Australian Ocean... you heard it here first, folks .

We might leave the South China sea as it is, maybe.. it all depends.....

 

[Rush4087]

I’m for no tariffs on either side. Free market capitalism. Supply and demand.

The only time you’d ever need a tariff imo would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country who had subsidized the manufacture or growth of the product on that side - so that it’s price would be so low as to affect market share.

If that were to happen, I’d be all for either similar subsidizing an “equal” product on our side, or putting tariffs in place to counter the dumping. You have no choice to protect your industry. There’s nothing wrong with that.

I thought that Trump recently had said that he was only matching existing tariffs. If he is only “marching” existing tariffs that other countries have already had in place on us, it seems the only reason there’d be any objection from Canada was if they were indeed being unfair with existing tariffs or subsidies in the first place. Why are so many people upset?!

If nobody is doing anything wrong, - if nobody has been taking advantage of the other side, there should be nothing for everybody to be pissed about.

Jmo

 

[Snoopster]

Nobody, in whatever language they speak is ever, ever going to call it the Gulf of America. As far as the rest of the world is concerned it will be , always has been, always is, the Gulf of Mexico... only MAGA has a weird outlook on this, and they can mumble away in any manner they choose, it changes nothing.

Of course , that won't stop Australians calling the Pacific the Australia Ocean.. and we are not stopping there, the Indian Ocean is really the Australian Ocean, too, and along with that, just to hit the trifecta, the Great Southern Ocean is now the Australian Ocean... you heard it here first, folks .

We might leave the South China sea as it is, maybe.. it all depends.....

Well along that vein, here in Canada we have the Canadian Pacific Ocean, the Canadian Atlantic Ocean, the Canadian Arctic Ocean and, of course, the Great Canadian Lakes! (including Lake Ontario, Lake Southwest Ontario, Lake Western Ontario and Lake Northern Ontario).

 

[HmmMysterious]

I’m for no tariffs on either side. Free market capitalism. Supply and demand.

The only time you’d ever need a tariff imo would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country who had subsidized the manufacture or growth of the product on that side - so that it’s price would be so low as to affect market share.

If that were to happen, I’d be all for either similar subsidizing an “equal” product on our side, or putting tariffs in place to counter the dumping. You have no choice to protect your industry. There’s nothing wrong with that.

I thought that Trump recently had said that he was only matching existing tariffs. If he is only “marching” existing tariffs that other countries have already had in place on us, it seems the only reason there’d be any objection from Canada was if they were indeed being unfair with existing tariffs or subsidies in the first place. Why are so many people upset?!

If nobody is doing anything wrong, - if nobody has been taking advantage of the other side, there should be nothing for everybody to be pissed about.

Jmo

Canadians are pissed because Trump's rationale for these tariffs are a bunch of lies. Seems like in reality, it's Canada that subsidizes the United States. And he's doing this to starve Canada economically so that it has no choice but to join the US

Trump Is Wrong. The US Does Not Subsidize Canada | The Tyee

 

[Trooper]

nd

Well along that vein, here in Canada we have the Canadian Pacific Ocean, the Canadian Atlantic Ocean, the Canadian Arctic Ocean and, of course, the Great Canadian Lakes! (including Lake Ontario, Lake Southwest Ontario, Lake Western Ontario and Lake Northern Ontario).

Absolutely, and, the Canadian North Pole. Take the lot. Don't confine yourself to oceans.. we won't be, its going to be Australiantarctica.. and we won't let anyone on it, ever. Just the whales and the leapard seals, and the Emperor penguins,

 

[Charlot123]

There is a severe dearth of logic in any of these dictates.

The logic is simple. Money. This time the Trump returned the demigod, but he is still the Don. So, Ukraine wants help? He'll make them an offer they can't refuse. Belarus and Russia want removal of sanctions? Same. Canada wants to be a neighbor and like neighbors, exchange goods, trade? An offer they can't refuse. I think only one country understood him well and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. It is kind of interesting if it were not so sad.

 

[Trooper]

I’m for no tariffs on either side. Free market capitalism. Supply and demand.

The only time you’d ever need a tariff imo would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country who had subsidized the manufacture or growth of the product on that side - so that it’s price would be so low as to affect market share.

If that were to happen, I’d be all for either similar subsidizing an “equal” product on our side, or putting tariffs in place to counter the dumping. You have no choice to protect your industry. There’s nothing wrong with that.

I thought that Trump recently had said that he was only matching existing tariffs. If he is only “marching” existing tariffs that other countries have already had in place on us, it seems the only reason there’d be any objection from Canada was if they were indeed being unfair with existing tariffs or subsidies in the first place. Why are so many people upset?!

If nobody is doing anything wrong, - if nobody has been taking advantage of the other side, there should be nothing for everybody to be pissed about.

Jmo

what folks are pissed about, and it surprises me that this seems to be a mystery, is that the USA has signed agreements of Free trade with Canada.. has them with Australia, too. here's ours,.......

AUSFTA

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The Australia–United States Free Trade Agreement (AUSFTA) is a preferential trade agreement between Australia and the United States modelled on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The AUSFTA was signed on 18 May 2004 and came into effect on 1 January 2005.

See when it was signed??

Then DT woke up one morning and without discussion, or consultation, decided to renege, and reject and violate this signed and validated agreement. Countries do not. and mostly, cannot operate on this premise, that a signed agreement is at the whim and will of one of the signatories, who might wake up with a feverish liver and do a very stupid thing with a trade treaty. This is what DT has done, and this is why people are, as you so eloquently put it, pissed.

The blowback from this is, the USA is now deemed an untrustworthy signatory to any agreement, trade , finance, law, security, border management , etc,.. No one trusts them, Trust has gone, gone, gone. and it may take generations to even begin to repair.. No country is going to take a signed treaty or agreement by the USA with any confidence or belief any time soon. That's the price paid for a cranky morning liver.

 

[Vern]

I’m for no tariffs on either side. Free market capitalism. Supply and demand.

The only time you’d ever need a tariff imo would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country who had subsidized the manufacture or growth of the product on that side - so that it’s price would be so low as to affect market share.

If that were to happen, I’d be all for either similar subsidizing an “equal” product on our side, or putting tariffs in place to counter the dumping. You have no choice to protect your industry. There’s nothing wrong with that.

I thought that Trump recently had said that he was only matching existing tariffs. If he is only “marching” existing tariffs that other countries have already had in place on us, it seems the only reason there’d be any objection from Canada was if they were indeed being unfair with existing tariffs or subsidies in the first place. Why are so many people upset?!

If nobody is doing anything wrong, - if nobody has been taking advantage of the other side, there should be nothing for everybody to be pissed about.

Jmo

Canada and the United States have a free and fair International Trade Deal in place.

That agreement was negotiated by Trump and put into place in 2020 during his first term. Prior to the 2020 USMCA, the agreement was called NAFTA.

Absolutely zero has been changed or has been done differently since that agreement was enacted.

Then The Donald did this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896313145951756527

So because he forgot it was his deal, he decided that it sucked BUT instead of asking Canada and Mexico to come back to the table and re-negotiate ... he slapped a 25% tariff on everything crossing from Canada into the USofA at 0001hrs, 4 March. Because he breached an international agreement Canada then retaliated and placed retaliatory 25% tariffs on items comng our way from the US.

He says that he's going to up them another 25% next month, we will then follow suit. He started it, and we'll keep up (plus some more stuff planned [hydro shut offs etc]) by doing the same.

Trump has stated his reason for doing this is to crush the Canadian economy and destroy it so we would have no choice but to become his "beloved 51st state" and repeatedly refers to/calls our Prime Minister as "Governor'. Then he blamed a non-existent northern border emergency which is fake news.

That's a direct threat to our sovereignty. It's not a joke and not funny. We are taking that threat very, very seriously because *reasons*.

 

[Charlot123]

I’m for no tariffs on either side. Free market capitalism. Supply and demand.

The only time you’d ever need a tariff imo would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country who had subsidized the manufacture or growth of the product on that side - so that it’s price would be so low as to affect market share.

If that were to happen, I’d be all for either similar subsidizing an “equal” product on our side, or putting tariffs in place to counter the dumping. You have no choice to protect your industry. There’s nothing wrong with that.

I thought that Trump recently had said that he was only matching existing tariffs. If he is only “marching” existing tariffs that other countries have already had in place on us, it seems the only reason there’d be any objection from Canada was if they were indeed being unfair with existing tariffs or subsidies in the first place. Why are so many people upset?!

If nobody is doing anything wrong, - if nobody has been taking advantage of the other side, there should be nothing for everybody to be pissed about.

Jmo

I think there is nothing bad in protecting own market, like India does it. (Making joint ventures with companies like Toyota, "build an assembly line, give our people work, then you can enter our market".) It had to be done in the 90es here, instead of the opposite process, exporting jobs.

But, trade is trade and it is different. It is a huge global market, like a huge marketplace where you buy from your long-known vendor. The vendor can give you a discount because you come every week, and you are loyal because you know the vendor well. There are lot of factors there, including the human one ("i know their family"). It is also "neighborhood" principle: let us by from my neighbor, support his business, and he'll support mine.

 

[Trooper]

The thing is, it is probable that ,, well it is almost inevitable, that at some point the USA is going to find it cannot produce a certain commodity, that they must import it from some foreign land. Let's say.. a commodity like oh.. COFFEE.. something Americans of all religions and races believe is the elixir of life and cannot do without for any longer than a couple of hours. . and lets say, just for arguments sake, that the USA cannot find the exact conditions to grow it in, in altitude or temperature or soil element. And say, it has to import it from a rather bolshie country like .. Brazil, or Kenya, it can get grumpy due to the insults to Obama, or a cross little Commonwealth nation like Jamaica, cranky with the USA about it's insulting Canada...

You can see the problem , I am sure, the USA has to sign a trade treaty that Brazil can believe in, in the light of the USA breaking all Trade Treaties beforehand...... and considering Brazil has no problem finding a market for it's coffee around the world, it is in no hurry to sign a damn thing with the USA.... the good burghers of Idaho will be drinking shaved hickory.... I merely put this scenario up as an example.

 

[Herat]

What are Americans getting out of all this.. all this revenue flooding in from tariffs, and fines, and re naming of gulfs, and slinging off insults and threats to Canadians, and AUstralians, and New Zealanders, and Lesothoans, and Panamanians, and the Danes, and the Greenlanders, and so on, ad infinitum? are they getting satisfaction? or a bonus check?? cheaper fuel? a doz Eggs?? a private education for all? free University?

.....finally, finally, singlepay universal health care, SURELY that is going to be provided, for all this upheaval, and sturm und drang?? Surely their medieval system of ''health extortion' has had it's day, and now, DT is going to finance all that stuff, like in a week or so.

Or are they going to be left with ashes and dust, and a tattered flag?

Oh yeah. Great selling point for Canada.

Join the US and lose your universal healhcare system.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha