Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[Charlot123]

I did the simplest thing.
Trump and his new team believe that humans are not needed as much now that AI can do the job.

OK I asked AI if tariffs on Canadian import good or bad for US economy.

AI said: "Conclusion. The U.S. tariff of 25% on imports from Canada and Mexico is going to reduce U.S. economic growth, reduce jobs, cause wages to fall, and prices to rise, and retaliation by Canada and Mexico will multiply the economic harms across the three countries."

Why can't they start with just asking AI first before they sign new executive orders?

 

[Trooper]

Oh yeah. Great selling point for Canada.

Join the US and lose your universal healhcare system.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

I'd turn commie before I'd give that up!!

 

[Cedars]

The thing is, it is probable that ,, well it is almost inevitable, that at some point the USA is going to find it cannot produce a certain commodity, that they must import it from some foreign land. Let's say.. a commodity like oh.. COFFEE.. something Americans of all religions and races believe is the elixir of life and cannot do without for any longer than a couple of hours. . and lets say, just for arguments sake, that the USA cannot find the exact conditions to grow it in, in altitude or temperature or soil element. And say, it has to import it from a rather bolshie country like .. Brazil, or Kenya, it can get grumpy due to the insults to Obama, or a cross little Commonwealth nation like Jamaica, cranky with the USA about it's insulting Canada...

You can see the problem , I am sure, the USA has to sign a trade treaty that Brazil can believe in, in the light of the USA breaking all Trade Treaties beforehand...... and considering Brazil has no problem finding a market for it's coffee around the world, it is in no hurry to sign a damn thing with the USA.... the good burghers of Idaho will be drinking shaved hickory.... I merely put this scenario up as an example.

Oh, don't mention coffee - Canada relies on US import brokers to buy most of the beans we roast, and that's on the list for retaliatory tariffs...

How the U.S.-Canada tariff fight could raise the price of your cup of coffee

Canada plans to slap a tariff on "U.S." sourced beans, and many Canadian stores buy from American brokers. Find out more.

vancouversun.com

 

[Trooper]

Oh, don't mention coffee - Canada relies on US import brokers to buy most of the beans we roast, and that's on the list for retaliatory tariffs...

How the U.S.-Canada tariff fight could raise the price of your cup of coffee

Canada plans to slap a tariff on "U.S." sourced beans, and many Canadian stores buy from American brokers. Find out more.

vancouversun.com

now is the time to cut out the middle man. Rewrite the trade agreement... it's a huge trade, and Canada must be a terrific customer... AU is, with only 26 million people. In 2024, Australia imported coffee and coffee substitutes to the value of almost 1.33 billion Australian dollars, Canada 's buying power would be quadruple that, at the very least....

Mark Carney will see the benefit if that in a nanosecond, he's on the ball with the fiscal stuff.. here's hoping!

 

[LovesPeace2]

Canada says too little, too late as Trump flip-flops on tariffs

Across the country, Canadians are defiant in boycotting American goods and travel even as Trump promises another temporary reprieve.

www.bbc.com

Prof Gillezeau notes that it is an especially deep wound from a neighbour whom Canada had long considered its closest friend and ally.
The US and Canada have fought wars together, have boasted about having the longest "undefended" shared border in the world and have even engaged in joint security missions in the Arctic to defend each other's sovereignty.
"We've been allies for 100 years," he says, adding that many Canadians are likely upset not just with how the US has been treating Canada, but also other allies like Ukraine.

 

[Cedars]

now is the time to cut out the middle man. Rewrite the trade agreement... it's a huge trade, and Canada must be a terrific customer... AU is, with only 26 million people. In 2024, Australia imported coffee and coffee substitutes to the value of almost 1.33 billion Australian dollars, Canada 's buying power would be quadruple that, at the very least....

It's like this with many things (like, for eg, national defense!)

Being so integrated with the US, Canada just hasn't bothered to create many separate industries when there's already one so handy that didn't cost anything to join.

However, my favorite roaster supplies a dozen different fancy roasts, maybe dropping a few would help - how did we become so picky? Simplify...

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Most of what Trump's administration has done since taking office has seemed performative to me -- designed to provoke reactions rather than to actually govern, solve problems, or improve people's lives.

Some of what I'm reading suggests that his next step in his plan might be to invoke martial law. In order to have even the meagerest ostensible reason for this, he is claiming, and then possibly "pretending" to do, some of these extremely dramatic and nonsensical things such as changing the US border with Canada, taking over the Panama Canal or "buying Greenland."

I'm tempted to think that his goal is to provoke riots, which will then "allow" him to declare martial law.

MOO

 

[Charlot123]

Canada says too little, too late as Trump flip-flops on tariffs

Across the country, Canadians are defiant in boycotting American goods and travel even as Trump promises another temporary reprieve.

www.bbc.com

Prof Gillezeau notes that it is an especially deep wound from a neighbour whom Canada had long considered its closest friend and ally.
The US and Canada have fought wars together, have boasted about having the longest "undefended" shared border in the world and have even engaged in joint security missions in the Arctic to defend each other's sovereignty.
"We've been allies for 100 years," he says, adding that many Canadians are likely upset not just with how the US has been treating Canada, but also other allies like Ukraine.

Right, since the time I have been living in the US I have seen only hockey battles between US and Canada here. From "who won, Seattle Kraken or Vancouver Canucks" to "taxation wars" has surely been a huge and unexpected leap.

 

[61Montcalm]

Myself and my family visited the US quite a lot (from Australia). Just about every year. We won't be going there again for a long time. We are working out the best (shortest) routes that avoid the US to visit family in Canada.

We are not the only Aussies avoiding the US. I have quite a few other friends that feel the same - which indicates, to me, that there may be many more also. It is too scary there now.

Depending on whereabouts you are in Australia, Air Canada has non stop flights from Sydney Kingsford-Smith direct to YVR Vancouver International Airport. From there you can connect to anywhere in Canada.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was reading an article in Bloomberg where Doug Ford tore up Ontario province's contract with Musk's Starlink this week. "It's done, it's gone".

The article says Canadian consumers in remote regions might not be so quick to follow, because Starlink is a cheaper, more dependable option for them at this time.

There are some other providers that are being contracted now. XPlore Inc. And in Newfoundland, CanArctic Inuit Networks Inc.
Quebec's Starlink agreement ends in June. They will see what they will do at that time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-06/us-canada-tariff-tensions-endanger-elon-musk-s-starlink

 

[SouthAussie]

Depending on whereabouts you are in Australia, Air Canada has non stop flights from Sydney Kingsford-Smith direct to YVR Vancouver International Airport. From there you can connect to anywhere in Canada.

Thanks! I'm only a 1½ hour flight from Sydney. Usually have to fly out of Sydney anyway, when going overseas.

 

[Herat]

Most of what Trump's administration has done since taking office has seemed performative to me -- designed to provoke reactions rather than to actually govern, solve problems, or improve people's lives.

Some of what I'm reading suggests that his next step in his plan might be to invoke martial law. In order to have even the meagerest ostensible reason for this, he is claiming, and then possibly "pretending" to do, some of these extremely dramatic and nonsensical things such as changing the US border with Canada, taking over the Panama Canal or "buying Greenland."

I'm tempted to think that his goal is to provoke riots, which will then "allow" him to declare martial law.

MOO

I share your concerns about the hidden intent to declare martial law.

 

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Sharing this little crash course as a history lesson for all of us...

 

[detective.moon]

to those boycotting american products - what are you doing about american tech?

i found i’m really not buying much from the US in the first place. but not using american tech seems to be the only tricky part!

i deleted my facebook, instagram and twitter a while ago already, before the US elections even because i didn’t like spending time there anymore

i’ve now switched to a european web browser and search engine, and switched from chatgpt to le chat (french)…

but whatsapp & youtube seem tricky to replace for now! i use whatsapp with all my friends and family, and i use youtube for language learning. i think maybe this is the best i can do for now, and when a good (european or canadian or other ally) alternative gains popularity i’ll make the switch!

 

[LoveyG]

What are Americans getting out of all this.. all this revenue flooding in from tariffs, and fines, and re naming of gulfs, and slinging off insults and threats to Canadians, and AUstralians, and New Zealanders, and Lesothoans, and Panamanians, and the Danes, and the Greenlanders, and so on, ad infinitum? are they getting satisfaction? or a bonus check?? cheaper fuel? a doz Eggs?? a private education for all? free University?

.....finally, finally, singlepay universal health care, SURELY that is going to be provided, for all this upheaval, and sturm und drang?? Surely their medieval system of ''health extortion' has had it's day, and now, DT is going to finance all that stuff, like in a week or so.

Or are they going to be left with ashes and dust, and a tattered flag?

MOO: Last time around, he gave massive tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy. The donors. They give him money and praise. However, it caused a huge problem with the overall deficit. Those cuts are timing out now and he wants to keep them going. He's looking for money to justify keeping the tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations. So, he's wants to hammer the rank-in-file with all these tariffs to make it up. He's not concerned about what it does to the countries we trade with. That hasn't even crossed his mind. Remember, it's always and only about him.

 

[LoveyG]

dbm

 

[LoveyG]

MOO: Last time around, he gave massive tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy. The donors. They give him money and praise. However, it caused a huge problem with the overall deficit. Those cuts are timing out now and he wants to keep them going. He's looking for money to justify keeping the tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations. So, he's wants to hammer the rank-in-file with all these tariffs to make it up. He's not concerned about what it does to the countries we trade with. That hasn't even crossed his mind. Remember, it's always and only about him.

Quoting and replying to my own post:

MOO: I think this is also why Musk is so happily rooting round in all the govt agencies, slashing grants and programs and firing large swaths of employees. Quickly trying to get the deficit down before his corporate tax cuts end. I hope someone is tracking the extra cost of firing and then rehiring these federal employees. In my own working past, offboarding and onboarding is not cheap.

 

[otto]

I’m for no tariffs on either side. Free market capitalism. Supply and demand.

The only time you’d ever need a tariff imo would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country who had subsidized the manufacture or growth of the product on that side - so that it’s price would be so low as to affect market share.

If that were to happen, I’d be all for either similar subsidizing an “equal” product on our side, or putting tariffs in place to counter the dumping. You have no choice to protect your industry. There’s nothing wrong with that.

I thought that Trump recently had said that he was only matching existing tariffs. If he is only “marching” existing tariffs that other countries have already had in place on us, it seems the only reason there’d be any objection from Canada was if they were indeed being unfair with existing tariffs or subsidies in the first place. Why are so many people upset?!

If nobody is doing anything wrong, - if nobody has been taking advantage of the other side, there should be nothing for everybody to be pissed about.

Jmo

The tariff on some USA dairy is 7.0 % within the allowed quote of up to 18% of the Canadian dairy market. When imports of USA dairy exceed the allowed 18% quota, the tariff for those dairy products jumps to 275% (don't know where Donald's 250% number originates). This is a deterrent to protect supply management (supply = demand) in Canada. The over quota tariff "would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country" where that product would interfere with supply management of that product.

Donald did say he's matching tariffs, with the small difference being that he is not matching within quota and over access tariff, he is only using the over access tariff. That is, he is announcing a small part of the facts, ignoring all other facts, getting his followers riled up, and then imposing punitive tariffs without justification.

In 2018 Donald was angry because he could not take control of dairy industry in Canada. He is still angry about that today. He is doing something wrong, which is that he wants to eliminate supply management of dairy products in Canada so he can control Canada's dairy industry with USA exports. He wants Canada to be dependent on the USA for dairy products. Furthermore, Canada (EU, Australia, and many more) do not allow artificial hormones that increases milk production, so Canadian milk is clean. The unregulated USA dairy industry permits use of artificial hormones. That poor quality milk is exported to Mexico, but it not wanted, needed, or allowed in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-dairy-stunningly-hypocritical-1.4701046

G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

President Trump lashes out at host Canada and retracts his endorsement of a joint statement.

www.bbc.com

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[Herat]

MOO: Last time around, he gave massive tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy. The donors. They give him money and praise. However, it caused a huge problem with the overall deficit. Those cuts are timing out now and he wants to keep them going. He's looking for money to justify keeping the tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations. So, he's wants to hammer the rank-in-file with all these tariffs to make it up. He's not concerned about what it does to the countries we trade with. That hasn't even crossed his mind. Remember, it's always and only about him.

I would believe this is really what is going on.

He has the entire GOP hamstrung because they will lose their huge campaign coffers if the billionaires don't think they are going to maintain the massive tax cuts they've paid for. Sadly, there are likely other billionaires who are not really as right-wing in philosophy, but also want to cling to their money rather than principal.

 

[Herat]

The tariff on some USA dairy is 7.0 % within the allowed quote of up to 18% of the Canadian dairy market. When imports of USA dairy exceed the allowed 18% quota, the tariff for those dairy products jumps to 275% (don't know where Donald's 250% number originates). This is a deterrent to protect supply management (supply = demand) in Canada. The over quota tariff "would be to battle against a product being brought in and dumped by a country" where that product would interfere with supply management of that product.

Donald did say he's matching tariffs, with the small difference being that he is not matching within quota and over access tariff, he is only using the over access tariff. That is, he is announcing a small part of the facts, ignoring all other facts, getting his followers riled up, and then imposing punitive tariffs without justification.

In 2018 Donald was angry because he could not take control of dairy industry in Canada. He is still angry about that today. He is doing something wrong, which is that he wants to eliminate supply management of dairy products in Canada so he can control Canada's dairy industry with USA exports. He wants Canada to be dependent on the USA for dairy products. Furthermore, Canada (EU, Australia, and many more) do not allow artificial hormones that increases milk production, so Canadian milk is clean. The unregulated USA dairy industry permits use of artificial hormones. That poor quality milk is exported to Mexico, but it not wanted, needed, or allowed in Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-dairy-stunningly-hypocritical-1.4701046

G7 summit ends in disarray as Trump abandons joint statement

President Trump lashes out at host Canada and retracts his endorsement of a joint statement.

www.bbc.com

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It's all cheap shell games, grifts, and twisted lies. In the same vein he has done his entire miserable life.