Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[Slebby]

I'm wondering why Carney is saying 'Americans' instead of 'Trump' or 'Trump government'

I think it must be to pump up the Canadian Patriotism mood.

Maybe to needle Americans to protest?

I think most Canadians understand it's Trump, not Americans.

Americans elected him!! He didn’t pull this out of his sleeve post election, he campaigned on it. So yes, it’s Americans. Maybe not all, but enough to put Trump in the Oval Office.

 

[Kemug]

Does he remember? Or is he just shifting? DJT was a Democrat before he became a Republican candidate. (It is also not beyond him to create a problem so that he can "solve" it and be heroic. IMO.)

"Only I can fix it!" And if "I" wasn't already a capital letter, he would have made it one, because "God", you know.

 

[Vern]

The US Lumber Council (an ohh hum group unless one works in the US timber industry) has been complaining about Canadian lumber practices since 1984.

Clinton and Biden placed earlier tariffs on Canadian lumber due to unfair trade practices- so, the dispute is not a figment of the Donald's mind. I wish our allies had been more proactive about settling this dispute- before Trump got a second term.

He should consult the former US Department of Commerce. Final rate levies on softwood lumber were enacted 26 September 2024.

 

[Cryptic]

One might argue that Canadians softwood lumber is too inexpensive for the USA market, in which case USA buyers should support their own forestry industry. Canada has other trade partners for softwood lumber.

Through their government, US buyers are supporting our lumber industry- by adding more tariffs.

The problem is that the Canadian government subsidizes access to trees at below market value. If Canadian lumber is truly far higher in quality than US lumber, then they should have no problem selling it at a higher price- right?

 

[Cryptic]

He should consult the former US Department of Commerce. Final rate levies on softwood lumber were enacted 26 September 2024.

The previous tariff might not have stopped Canadian subsidy practices.

Canada, as a sovereign nation, can continue to subsidize lumber. But.... another equally sovereign nation can add more tariffs.

 

[Cedars]

But, I dont like Canadian lumber subsidies that have been going on since 1984 and have been opposed, by: Trump, Biden and Clinton. I support increased tariffs on..... Canadian lumber.

BC forest land is almost all publicly owned and that's never going to change.

Everyone has strong and conflicting opinions about the forest industry in BC. Widespread public opposition to clearcutting and harvesting old growth, local communities that depend on logging and sawmills, the often rapacious forest companies, indigenous communities want (and are getting) control. There's been the beetle infestation and now forest fires.

BCers will not tolerate forest policy being dictated by Americans, when we can't figure out how it should be managed, amongst ourselves.

JMO

 

[LovesPeace2]

Hard bite chips could use some Canadian support

 

[Trooper]

Through their government, US buyers are supporting our lumber industry- by adding more tariffs.

The problem is that the Canadian government subsidizes access to trees at below market value. If Canadian lumber is truly far higher in quality than US lumber, then they should have no problem selling it at a higher price- right?

Wrong, actually.. Canadians don't have to sell their lumber to the USA at all, unless they choose to. They could sell it to EUrope, to South America, to anywhere. You are reading the problem incorrectly, the lumber is grown on Crown Land, probably an entity that is a bit out of the average American' grasp of culture, but what that means, is, the land is owned by the people of Canada in perpetuity under the auspices of the Crown. .. this is classified as a subsidy. ... Don't worry about it if it all seems to hard, the main point is, your premise is in error.

And frankly, Canadians will have no trouble selling lumber to the USA at a high price, at least until the USA starts devastating it's National Parks, ( which bring in revenue, but won't if they are mud soaked barren stumps of limitless horizons, not to mention the dearth of oxygen producing trees, but I digress.. ) Trump is confident that Americans will be ''happy' to see their nation bereft of the cedar and the pine, and the other gorgeous trees... and I guess, really, you had better be happy or else !!

 

[Kemug]

Trump is and always has been a low-class carny and carnival barker. .

Don't listen to his words, watch what he is really doing with his real actions. Not the "will I or won't I" political tease language.

Remember DT's book "The art of the deal" - every single thing is a "deal" to him <modsnip>

 

[acutename]

Carney is right. Donald wants to destroy everything that Canadians and Indigenous Peoples value and know. People South of the border think that's funny - which confirms that those people have nothing in common with us.

I do not think people think it is funny. I do think everyone believed it was just a random hair brained idea and when DJT said Canada, Panama and Greenland, it was incomprehensible. I read today that 80% of people in Greenland speak Greenlandic- a language so distant from English in form and meaning that English speakers find it not only hard to learn but difficult to understand.

Languages of Greenland​

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Languages_of_Greenl...





The official language of Greenland is Greenlandic. The number of speakers of Greenlandic is estimated at 50,000 (85–90% of the total population), ...


And it is on average, always below zero

Polar tundra climate – This is the typical climate in Greenland's coastal settlements. The winter is below freezing and summer cool and ephemeral between 0°C and 10°C. The amount of precipitation spikes during the summer months. Polar ice sheet climate – The mean monthly temperature is below 0°C all year round.

Weather and Climate | Visit Greenland​

And people eat seal soup

A World of Flavor: 7 Traditional Foods of Greenland​

Lindblad Expeditions
https://www.expeditions.com › ... › Stories





Suaasat is one of the most important dishes of traditional Greenlandic cuisine: a robust stew made with potatoes, onions, rice or barley, and meat, often seal.



So I just do not think anyone has "thought this through." If you know what I mean. IMO.

 

[Kemug]

not to be rude, is he not past his best buy date???...he does not look too good when he is in freeze mode


just a thought

Is he the guy with no chin?

 

[flipp]

Trump is and always has been a low-class carny and carnival barker. .

Ironically with Mark Carney's win, Canadians are now joking "It takes a Carney to deal with a clown..."

Trump being the clown.

 

[Slebby]

In general, Canadians have a different regulatory approach to business in different areas, which can be vexing to some Americans like trump. He asserts that US banks can’t operate in Canada, which is false. But we have more stringent banking rules than US banks are used to. As we’ve seen discussed just now, our position on lumber, grown on Crown land. Then there’s the whole dairy discussion, with Canadian standards (shared by European nations) restricting the use of hormones, standards not shared by the US. It is enraging to trump that Canada will not capitulate to his tantrum over dairy, nor accept surplus US produced dairy.

We have different standards.

 

[LovesPeace2]

I'm waiting to hear that he's after our territorys because they border on alaska

 

[Trooper]

I do not think people think it is funny. I do think everyone believed it was just a random hair brained idea and when DJT said Canada, Panama and Greenland, it was incomprehensible. I read today that 80% of people in Greenland speak Greenlandic- a language so distant from English in form and meaning that English speakers find it not only hard to learn but difficult to understand.

Languages of Greenland​

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Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Languages_of_Greenl...




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The official language of Greenland is Greenlandic. The number of speakers of Greenlandic is estimated at 50,000 (85–90% of the total population), ...


And it is on average, always below zero

Polar tundra climate – This is the typical climate in Greenland's coastal settlements. The winter is below freezing and summer cool and ephemeral between 0°C and 10°C. The amount of precipitation spikes during the summer months. Polar ice sheet climate – The mean monthly temperature is below 0°C all year round.

Weather and Climate | Visit Greenland​

And people eat seal soup

A World of Flavor: 7 Traditional Foods of Greenland​

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Lindblad Expeditions
https://www.expeditions.com › ... › Stories




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Suaasat is one of the most important dishes of traditional Greenlandic cuisine: a robust stew made with potatoes, onions, rice or barley, and meat, often seal.



So I just do not think anyone has "thougt this through." If you know what I mean. IMO.

And the Princes and Princesses of Denmark are always given a Greenlander middle name.. the ties are that close.... for example, Prince Vincent. is. Vincent Frederik Minik Alexander. Princess Josephine is Josephine Sophia Ivalo Mathilda; ... Minik and Ivalo being Greenland names.. this tradition goes back 4 centuries.

 

[Kemug]

I expect to read sales of Maple Syrup Ice Cream soar all over Canada this summer.

If you're not in Canada you can make your own - just let a tub of vanilla icecream get really soft, then stir in maple syrup. My own little protest!

 

[Kemug]

That's rich! '51st state' isn't rhetoric?

Ford's just saying 'hey, I got cards, look at my cards'.

Didn't Zelensky say "It's not a game of cards".

 

[LovesPeace2]

With both Canada and USA in Nato what would happen if trump tries to take over our border? How would NATO handle something like that any ideas?

 

[Trooper]

The other day, I remarked that AUstralians were getting travel warnings from their Govt, re travel in the USA< and I said, the warnings were on a par with travel to the Congo,... well.. it was not a fanciful comparison.. here is the latest from Civicus, who watch civil rights around the world..

US added to international watchlist for rapid decline in civic freedoms

Civicus, an international non-profit, puts country alongside Democratic Republic of Congo, Italy, Pakistan and Serbia

www.theguardian.com

The United States has been added to the Civicus Monitor Watchlist, which identifies countries that the global civil rights watchdog believes are currently experiencing a rapid decline in civic freedoms.

Civicus, an international non-profit organization dedicated to “strengthening citizen action and civil society around the world”, announced the inclusion of the US on the non-profit’s first watchlist of 2025 on Monday, alongside the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Italy, Pakistan and Serbia.


The watchlist is part of the Civicus Monitor, which tracks developments in civic freedoms across 198 countries. Other countries that have previously been featured on the watchlist in recent years include Zimbabwe, Argentina, El Salvador and the United Arab Emirates.

(Land of the free, huh??? I don't think so... )

 

[Cedars]

Didn't Zelensky say "It's not a game of cards".

Yes, he's fighting a real war, I'm grateful we're just fighting a trade war (at this stage).