NOT GUILTY Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely #4

[Linda7NJ]

I agree with the fact that people can lose sight of time during a stressful situation. But people asked him to stop and he didn't. I agree that this is a fine line and this case is 'challenging'. I just don't want to create an 'open season' on people who look threatening to me. This man was a trained Marine. He was supposedly trained to find the right balance and not go overboard. And yet he did go overboard.
Life is complex, isn't it?

Why is the manner of death important? A chokehold is just as lethal as a gunshot.

No good deed goes unpunished huh?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why is the manner of death important? A chokehold is just as lethal as a gunshot.

Had I been the mother with the young child whose face Neely was screaming in, menacing & threatening …I very well may have shot him to protect my child.

 

[Marysmith]

There is legally mandated treatment in New York and I'm wondering why he wasn't on it due to the many charges. Clearly he needed help and likely medication. There are places in the world where nurses go out on the street and find people that have those orders and give them the medication (usually a long-acting injectable antispychotic for schizophrenia) they have been ordered.
Regardless he was not well mentally. And yes his behavior was threatening but he didn't actually physically assault anyone either.

 

[Snoopster]

There’s nothing compassionate about allowing the criminally mentally insane to roam free and prey on the law abiding.
There’s nothing compassionate about allowing criminals to terrorize & destroy communities.
It’s an epic failure of government.
The government exists to protect criminals from its citizens, to enable a civilized society.
When the government & justice system continually and with purpose fails, citizens will take the law into their own hands.
It is going to get worse because criminality has become the norm in places like NYC.
You’re going to begin to see actual vigilantism soon.

I think we all agree that it's a failure of government. We should all be willing to pay taxes to deal adequately with health care, including mental health care, so that people with these issues aren't wandering around on the streets with no treatment. So do we all agree that we should help these troubled people out?

 

[Marysmith]

I think we all agree that it's a failure of government. We should all be willing to pay taxes to deal adequately with health care, including mental health care, so that people with these issues aren't wandering around on the streets with no treatment. So do we all agree that we should help these troubled people out?

100%!!

 

[LinasK]

No good deed goes unpunished huh?

I don't think he performed a good deed.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think we all agree that it's a failure of government. We should all be willing to pay taxes to deal adequately with health care, including mental health care, so that people with these issues aren't wandering around on the streets with no treatment. So do we all agree that we should help these troubled people out?

That would require a change in laws, involuntary commitments and lots of asylums.

Good luck with that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think he performed a good deed.

This mentality is why I drilled into my husband’s head to NEVER EVER defend some stranger.
I know I won’t.
We are both licensed concealed carriers.
Y’all are on your own.

 

[Marysmith]

That would require a change in laws, involuntary commitments and lots of asylums.

Good luck with that.

And universal health care.

 

[Snoopster]

That would require a change in laws, involuntary commitments and lots of asylums.

Good luck with that.

But you'd agree with that? Would you be willing to fight for that?
What if one of your children had a mental health issue? What if they went on a subway train?

 

[IceIce9]

I don't think he performed a good deed.

What if your mother or grandmother was one of the passengers on the subway that he had threatened? Or if it was your baby that you were desperately trying to hide behind the stroller, while JN aggressively threatened to kill them?

Would you feel differently?

 

[Linda7NJ]

But you'd agree with that? Would you be willing to fight for that?
What if one of your children had a mental health issue? What if they went on a subway train?

Where I live, stray dogs are treated better and with far more compassion than the mentally ill homeless are in NYC.
It sickening me to see human beings living on the streets.
It’s not a lack of money.
Homeless & Mental Health “non-profits” are FLUSH with cash & services.
Money isn’t the issue.

 

[LinasK]

What if your mother or grandmother was one of the passengers on the subway that he had threatened? Or if it was your baby that you were desperately trying to hide behind the stroller, while JN aggressively threatened to kill them?

Would you feel differently?

No, I previously stated that I rode the subway with my baby daughter in a stroller. The solution is to either not get on or move to another car. I wouldn't be applauding Penny as my hero. And I also have personal experience with a homeless person acting aggresive towards me recently- on a public street. I avoided him. Problem solved.

 

[Linda7NJ]

No, I previously stated that I rode the subway with my baby daughter in a stroller. The solution is to either not get on or move to another car. I wouldn't be applauding Penny as my hero. And I also have personal experience with a homeless person acting aggresive towards me recently- on a public street. I avoided him. Problem solved.

There’s been countless examples of people who weren’t so lucky. Many have died & many have been injured, many robbed

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[Snoopster]

Where I live, stray dogs are treated better and with far more compassion than the mentally ill homeless are in NYC.
It sickening me to see human beings living on the streets.
It’s not a lack of money.
Homeless & Mental Health “non-profits” are FLUSH with cash & services.
Money isn’t the issue.

So you are blaming the situation on the non-profits? Not your problem? But you feel outraged, yet do nothing? I'm
confused. Other people's problems?

 

[Snoopster]

There’s been countless examples of people who weren’t so lucky. Many have died & many have been injured, many robbed

It’s fascinating to me you can’t appreciate that.

So do these mentally ill people deserve to be killed? Is that what you are saying?

 

[Marysmith]

Where I live, stray dogs are treated better and with far more compassion than the mentally ill homeless are in NYC.
It sickening me to see human beings living on the streets.
It’s not a lack of money.
Homeless & Mental Health “non-profits” are FLUSH with cash & services.
Money isn’t the issue.

But I do think health care is part of the problem. And I hesitated to say it earlier, but sincerely if people that have delusions and hallucinations from a mental illness do not get medications they are not able to function properly. That does not mean they will hurt someone but they could and they could take illicit substances to get rid of the voices. Nothing is going to change without that issue being addressed, I'm sorry. And yes sometimes institutionalizing people and reintegration them into society is the solution. It's a brutal disease.

 

[Snoopster]

What if your mother or grandmother was one of the passengers on the subway that he had threatened? Or if it was your baby that you were desperately trying to hide behind the stroller, while JN aggressively threatened to kill them?

I think I very well might have been scared. (and I am your grandmother's age)
But I wouldn't have wanted an obviously mentally ill person to be killed, well after I left the subway car. I would have recognized it as a mental health issue.
I would have been happy that another passenger (DP) restrained JN. But I would have been upset that JN was held in a chokehold well past necessary and it led to his death.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So you are blaming the situation on the non-profits? Not your problem? But you feel outraged, yet do nothing? I'm
confused. Other people's problems?

I’ve been very clear about where I place blame. I don’t understand how you could be confused?

I will do whatever it takes to protect my family and myself. I will stay out of NYC & other places where government is deliberately failing.

 

[Linda7NJ]

But I do think health care is part of the problem. And I hesitated to say it earlier, but sincerely if people that have delusions and hallucinations from a mental illness do not get medications they are not able to function properly. That does not mean they will hurt someone but they could and they could take illicit substances to get rid of the voices. Nothing is going to change without that issue being addressed, I'm sorry. And yes sometimes institutionalizing people and reintegration them into society is the solution. It's a brutal disease.

I agree with you.
Without the ability to involuntarily commit and hold them and force them to be medicated there’s no point in discussing it.
The laws need to change. They’re not going to. There is no point discussing it.