NOT GUILTY Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely #4

[GRT]

I do wonder what those protesters are going to do IF the jury doesn't deliver the verdict they want.
More importantly, I wonder if the jurors are afraid of what they'll do, if they don't deliver the verdict the protesters are literally demanding, loud enough for the folks in the courtroom to hear them. I can't imagine this isn't going to factor into their decision.

jmo

I hope the jurors' identities are being protected. And, I agree, hearing chanting from inside the courtroom could affect the verdict.

The protesters have a right to protest, but I think the protest should be moved to a location where they cannot be seen or heard by the jury.

 

[GRT]

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[PrairieWind]

I do wonder what those protesters are going to do IF the jury doesn't deliver the verdict they want.
More importantly, I wonder if the jurors are afraid of what they'll do, if they don't deliver the verdict the protesters are literally demanding, loud enough for the folks in the courtroom to hear them. I can't imagine this isn't going to factor into their decision.

jmo

I was going to ask, are the protesters actually able to be heard in the courtroom?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I hope the jurors' identities are being protected. And, I agree, hearing chanting from inside the courtroom could affect the verdict.

The protesters have a right to protest, but I think the protest should be moved to a location where they cannot be seen or heard by the jury.

They are being protected, thankfully.

"Jurors weighing the fate of Daniel Penny in the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely will remain anonymous, a Manhattan judge ruled Thursday — citing months of “threats” made to all parties in the high-profile case." Judge reveals whether jurors deciding Daniel Penny’s fate in NYC subway chokehold case will stay anonymous

 

[Ontario Mom]

I was going to ask, are the protesters actually able to be heard in the courtroom?

I can't find the article now but yes, at least one I've read did say the protesters chanting outside could be heard inside the courtroom. Since I cannot locate the link now, I'll just say "imo".

 

[shotgun09]

I was going to ask, are the protesters actually able to be heard in the courtroom?

According to the judge today, (per ICP) it appears as though the courtroom as well as the jury can hear the protesters.

"Judge Wiley: You may not consider any information from outside the courtroom, including the people expressing their opinions in the street... You heard of Mr. Neely's history - you may not use it to determine character".








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[shotgun09]

I believe we are officially at Verdict watch.
From ICP:

Judge Wiley: Juror Number 1 will be the foreperson, by law. You may ask to have testimony read back to you. If you find guilty on Count 1, you do not go on to Count 2. You may retire to deliberate, even over lunch, but we won't respond to questions for an hour

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[IceIce9]

Most states have Good Samaritan laws though where you cannot get sued if you render aid to the best of your ability. There are also bag mask devices and other items available to help. I have rendered aid and don't regret it but if people are not comfortable doing so for whatever reason they should not.

We discuss Good Samaritan laws which are now in all 50 states, but people are still afraid of getting sued or arrested if the victim dies.

 

[fred&edna]

I do wonder what those protesters are going to do IF the jury doesn't deliver the verdict they want.
More importantly, I wonder if the jurors are afraid of what they'll do, if they don't deliver the verdict the protesters are literally demanding, loud enough for the folks in the courtroom to hear them. I can't imagine this isn't going to factor into their decision.

jmo

I think the protests/chants will definitely have an impact on jurors.

jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

We discuss Good Samaritan laws which are now in all 50 states, but people are still afraid of getting sued or arrested if the victim dies.

And if Penny is found guilty, that fear will be well founded.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Daniel Penny trial jury asks for footage, testimony as it deliberates verdict

Jurors have begun deliberations in the chokehold death trial of Daniel Penny, who is accused of killing Jordan Neely on a New York City subway train.

abcnews.go.com

 

[fred&edna]

And if Penny is found guilty, that fear will be well founded.

It's exactly as we see discussed in the divided-opinion posts here... one person's Good Samaritan is another person's bad-guy vigilante. Either way it seems that the NYC judicial system demands that Daniel Penny must be punished.

jmo

 

[Marysmith]

We discuss Good Samaritan laws which are now in all 50 states, but people are still afraid of getting sued or arrested if the victim dies.

Well then they don't have to help...
Respectfully this case is not about first aid though. Why EMS would be afraid to render first aid with a bag mask barrier device, etc... I don't know, and I haven't actually looked into those comments myself, but read them here, and if that's the case I think that was very unprofessional of them but that's JMO.

 

[Marysmith]

BWC video shown during deadly subway chokehold trial shows NYPD cops perform CPR on Jordan Neely

The video was shown in court during the trial of Daniel Penny, who placed Jordan Neely in a chokehold after he allegedly threatened to kill other subway train passengers

www.police1.com

So there was no barrier device. If there is none and people are not comfortable you are to just continue with compressions anyways.
Edited to add: I don't know many, if any, medical professionals that would do rescue breathing on anyone without a barrier device. Research has shown that compressions and early defibrillation are the most important things to do in these cases.

 

[MassGuy]

Jurors have sent a note in the #DanielPenny trial “We the jury, request a reading of jury instructions, part two, explanation of the law that applies to the part which is justification and defines causation."

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[shotgun09]

Jurors have sent a note in the #DanielPenny trial “We the jury, request a reading of jury instructions, part two, explanation of the law that applies to the part which is justification and defines causation."

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I just went back and looked through Inner City's posts. He did state the following while Judge was reading the instructions to the jury:

BBM for emphasis on the word 'justification'.

Judge Wiley: Daniel Penny is charged with manslaughter in the second degree, and /or criminally negligent homicide. Justification equals self defense equals defense of others. Defendant must have reasonably believed his use of force was necessary

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[JennieM]

In a reflection of the complexities of the closely watched case , the jury asked within the first 75 minutes of deliberations to rehear Judge Maxwell Wiley’s instructions on justification defenses and on the definitions of the crimes charged.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

[shotgun09]

No verdict today in #DanielPenny trial Jury requests deliberation to continue tomorrow

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[Sundog]

And if Penny is found guilty, that fear will be well founded.

Unfortunately . . .

 

[DS2021]

Theres gonna be major upsets no matter what happens, this case has large amounts of supporters on both sides