NOT GUILTY Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely #4

[IceIce9]

Hung jury territory?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864863004510019839

If so I am not surprised.

 

[DS2021]

Daniel Penny jury deadlocked on manslaughter charge in subway chokehold case

The jury was 'unable to come to a unanimous vote' on Daniel Penny's manslaughter charge over the subway chokehold death of Jordan Neely.

www.google.com

The verdict form asks the jury to decide the first count – second-degree manslaughter – before potentially moving to the second count of criminally negligent homicide. Only if it finds Penny not guilty on the first count, can it consider the second count of criminally negligent homicide.

 

[Marysmith]

This is crazy...

 

[mickey2942]

This is gonna end in a mistrial imo

Most of us believed that before the trial started. People are very firm on this trial, and charges. They are either for "Team Penny" or "Team Neely". No middle ground here.

I don't see anyone "splitting the baby" here.

 

[shotgun09]

This is crazy...

Yep!
This case should have " Nevah evah evah" been brought to trial. ( Sung in my best swifty impersonation )

IMO

 

[Sundog]

Most of us believed that before the trial started. People are very firm on this trial, and charges. They are either for "Team Penny" or "Team Neely". No middle ground here.

I don't see anyone "splitting the baby" here.

If they are following the evidence, this isn't about being on any team, but going where the law leads them. And, IIRC, there are two lawyers on the jury. Whatever their decisions are, they wouldn't be pressured into changing based on any pressure from a judge or prosecution, I assume they would stick to following the law and the evidence presented.

 

[PrairieWind]

If they are following the evidence, this isn't about being on any team, but goiong where the law leads them. And, IIRC, there are two lawyers on the jury. Whatever their decisions are, they wouldn't be pressured into changing based on any pressure from a judge or prosecution, I assume they would stick to foflowing the law and the evidence presented.

Sure, but the jury has to decide what a reasonable person would do and that question of what was reasonable is a purely subjective. Each juror is going to consider that based upon their own life experiences. And this seems to be what they are struggling with. I'd say this is certainly leaning towards a hung jury.

 

[IDK]

If they are following the evidence, this isn't about being on any team, but goiong where the law leads them. And, IIRC, there are two lawyers on the jury. Whatever their decisions are, they wouldn't be pressured into changing based on any pressure from a judge or prosecution, I assume they would stick to foflowing the law and the evidence presented.

Wow I did not realize there are 2 lawyers on the jury. Interesting, IMO.

 

[browneyes]

Sure, but the jury has to decide what a reasonable person would do and that question of what was reasonable is a purely subjective. Each juror is going to consider that based upon their own life experiences. And this seems to be what they are struggling with. I'd say this is certainly leaning towards a hung jury.

I’m not a lawyer, but wouldn’t the jury have to find him not guilty on count 1 before moving on to count 2? I’m confused.

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1865085832878514336

 

[Linda7NJ]

I’m exactly where I started. NOT GUILTY

I believe there’s an activist on that jury and is the holdout.

This case should have never been brought. IMO

 

[fred&edna]

This is crazy...

It IS!

And, is there anyone to blame for this *hung jury situation/don't know if/how we can force jury to 2nd charge decision*? Or do we blame the laws? Or will we keep finding ourselves in the same situation (just different people) in the future? OR will there be no one left who will ever attempt to protect themselves and others in the future?

(Not directed at you @Marysmith, just jumping off your post)

jmo

ETA ** for clarification

 

[LinasK]

It IS!

And, is there anyone to blame? Or do we blame the laws? Or will we keep finding ourselves in the same situation (just different people) in the future?

(Not directed at you @Marysmith, just jumping off your post)

jmo

I blame Daniel Penny.

 

[shotgun09]

It IS!

And, is there anyone to blame? Or do we blame the laws? Or will we keep finding ourselves in the same situation (just different people) in the future? OR will there be no one left who will ever attempt to protect themselves and others in the future?

(Not directed at you @Marysmith, just jumping off your post)

jmo

I believe the jury may just be asking themselves those same questions!!

 

[Ontario Mom]

I’m exactly where I started. NOT GUILTY

I believe there’s an activist on that jury and is the holdout.

This case should have never been brought. IMO

To be fair, we don't really know who has the majority opinion on the jury.
The majority could be the folks that have already decided he's guilty, while the minority refuse to budge and believe him to be innocent.

jmo

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’m exactly where I started. NOT GUILTY

I believe there’s an activist on that jury and is the holdout.

This case should have never been brought. IMO

I agree. I am team Penny. He did what I would hope any man would do if I was in a room, subway, train, plane or anywhere I couldn’t escape and a man gets on acting crazy and saying he wants to die or kill someone and seemingly on drugs. Penny may have saved lives that day. We all make choices how we live. <modsnip: not victim friendly>

 

[Love Never Fails]

I believe the jury may just be asking themselves those same questions!!

One can hope they are. Common sense.

 

[Ontario Mom]

It IS!

And, is there anyone to blame? Or do we blame the laws? Or will we keep finding ourselves in the same situation (just different people) in the future? OR will there be no one left who will ever attempt to protect themselves and others in the future?

(Not directed at you @Marysmith, just jumping off your post)

jmo

If we start tossing blame around I guess there are all sorts of individuals and agencies we could be looking at that could have (possibly?) done more to have prevented this outcome. Maybe.
That's the problem with the "what ifs" - it's all really just guesswork.
End of the day, I'm not even sure that's all that helpful.

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

If we start tossing blame around I guess there are all sorts of individuals and agencies we could be looking at that could have (possibly?) done more to have prevented this outcome. Maybe.
That's the problem with the "what ifs" - it's all really just guesswork.
End of the day, I'm not even sure that's all that helpful.

jmo

Very true!

 

[Love Never Fails]

If we start tossing blame around I guess there are all sorts of individuals and agencies we could be looking at that could have (possibly?) done more to have prevented this outcome. Maybe.
That's the problem with the "what ifs" - it's all really just guesswork.
End of the day, I'm not even sure that's all that helpful.

jmo

At the end of the day Mr. Penny should never have been brought to trial.