NOT GUILTY Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely #4

[GRT]

Meanwhile, Rep. Eli Crane, R-Ariz, is reportedly introducing a resolution to have DP receive a Congressional Gold Medal for stepping up to protect his fellow citizens.

 

[Linda7NJ]

When did Penny provide CPR or first aid?

How would the Penny case be relevant?


All imo

The very real fear of getting involved.

Prosecuting Good Samaritans is incredibly stupid, short sighted and frankly UNAMERICAN

 

[Seattle1]

Judge dismisses manslaughter charge in Daniel Penny trial: What this means

After a highly contested day of deliberations, the judge in the Daniel Penny trial dismissed the second-degree manslaughter charge that had deadlocked the jury.

www.fox5ny.com

12/6/24

The defense has emphasized that the jury cannot deliberate on the second charge without resolving the first, as Penny cannot be convicted of both.

"It would be a crazy result to have a hung jury because they can't move onto the second count," prosecutor Dafna Yoran was heard telling the judge.

Judge Wiley is now considering whether to issue an Allen charge to work toward a unanimous decision.

As of 3:15 p.m., the jury remains deadlock, the defense is requesting a mistrial and the judge is considering another Allen charge.

This is a breaking news story. Check back for updates.

 

[LinasK]

I don't think many are using that phrase--I've only heard it from certain groups, but it hasn't caught on in a big way. MOO

As I understand it, a vigilante is someone who goes out in search of people he/she thinks are doing the wrong thing--tracks them down and then assaults them.

DP was simply acting in the moment to stop someone who was threatening innocent bystanders. DP's only intent was to subdue JN and protect those who were unable to protect themselves.

MOO

When did we, as a society, get so jaded that we now call good bad and bad good?

All MOO

I don't think many are using that phrase--I've only heard it from certain groups, but it hasn't caught on in a big way. MOO

As I understand it, a vigilante is someone who goes out in search of people he/she thinks are doing the wrong thing--tracks them down and then assaults them.

DP was simply acting in the moment to stop someone who was threatening innocent bystanders. DP's only intent was to subdue JN and protect those who were unable to protect themselves.

MOO

When did we, as a society, get so jaded that we now call good bad and bad good?

All MOO

I don't believe that the word "only" applies in this case. That's your opinion. Hopefully the jury feels otherwise.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think many are using that phrase--I've only heard it from certain groups, but it hasn't caught on in a big way. MOO

As I understand it, a vigilante is someone who goes out in search of people he/she thinks are doing the wrong thing--tracks them down and then assaults them.

DP was simply acting in the moment to stop someone who was threatening innocent bystanders. DP's only intent was to subdue JN and protect those who were unable to protect themselves.

MOO

When did we, as a society, get so jaded that we now call good bad and bad good?

All MOO

2014 -

 

[acutename]

Judge dismisses manslaughter charge in Daniel Penny trial: What this means

After a highly contested day of deliberations, the judge in the Daniel Penny trial dismissed the second-degree manslaughter charge that had deadlocked the jury.

www.fox5ny.com

12/6/24

The defense has emphasized that the jury cannot deliberate on the second charge without resolving the first, as Penny cannot be convicted of both.

"It would be a crazy result to have a hung jury because they can't move onto the second count," prosecutor Dafna Yoran was heard telling the judge.

Judge Wiley is now considering whether to issue an Allen charge to work toward a unanimous decision.

As of 3:15 p.m., the jury remains deadlock, the defense is requesting a mistrial and the judge is considering another Allen charge.

This is a breaking news story. Check back for updates.

imagine the judge's clerk frantically researching hung juries/multiple charges/ Allen charges... if the judge has a clerk....

 

[GRT]

I don't believe that the word "only" applies in this case. That's your opinion. Hopefully the jury feels otherwise.

They certainly might feel differently.

But typically, when I think of a vigilante, I think of someone who intentionally takes the law into their own hands, not someone who steps up to protect his fellow citizens while telling the to call the cops and then sticking around to talk to the cops.

All MOO

 

[LinasK]

They certainly might feel differently.

But typically, when I think of a vigilante, I think of someone who intentionally takes the law into their own hands, not someone who steps up to protect his fellow citizens while telling the to call the cops and then sticking around to talk to the cops.

All MOO

That's exactly what I think Penny did- he played judge, jury, and executioner. And by that I mean vigilante. I don't think he protected his fellow passengers.

 

[JoeFromLB]

I've seen other trials with this situation of a deadlocked jury, where the judge sent them home for the weekend to cool off, then a verdict was reached on Monday.
Just throwing that in there...

 

[Donswife48]

Ive seen alot of people say that if DP is convicted, nobody in NY will ever intervene again.

Nobody should have to intervene physically unless they are police.

This case gives in example of what can happen when someone without the proper resources intervenes.

Changes should be made, so that trained professionals are on hand if something like this happens

I don’t see how anyone will come to the aid of any stranger even if DP is acquitted. He is now being sued by JN family. Another person’s safety is not worth giving up years of your life, either going through legal trial, prison, and loss of money.

 

[GRT]

That's exactly what I think Penny did- he played judge, jury, and executioner.

You're not alone in that opinion, but from what I've read and heard, most people think he did the right thing. MOO

And, if Dr. Chundru is correct, DP didn't kill JN.

 

[Sundog]

Judge dismisses manslaughter charge in Daniel Penny trial: What this means

After a highly contested day of deliberations, the judge in the Daniel Penny trial dismissed the second-degree manslaughter charge that had deadlocked the jury.

www.fox5ny.com

12/6/24

The defense has emphasized that the jury cannot deliberate on the second charge without resolving the first, as Penny cannot be convicted of both.

"It would be a crazy result to have a hung jury because they can't move onto the second count," prosecutor Dafna Yoran was heard telling the judge.

Judge Wiley is now considering whether to issue an Allen charge to work toward a unanimous decision.

As of 3:15 p.m., the jury remains deadlock, the defense is requesting a mistrial and the judge is considering another Allen charge.

This is a breaking news story. Check back for updates.

Also from this news report -

The jury in the Daniel Penny trial told the judge they couldn’t reach a unanimous verdict on the first charge of second-degree manslaughter, prompting the judge to issue an Allen charge urging them to make every effort to agree. One of the jurors was seen rolling his eyes as the instructions were read.

Issuing a second Allen charge doesn't sound promising if you've got one of the jurors rolling his eyes when the first Allen charge was issued.

 

[IceIce9]

When did Penny provide CPR or first aid?

How would the Penny case be relevant?


All imo

Daniel Penny acted to protect innocent individuals. The participants in my class stated they wouldn't every try to help anyone because that might end up getting arrested like "that guy in the subway."

 

[shotgun09]

In Daniel Penny trial, Judge Wiley just said "I am taking a chance and granting the People's motion" to dismiss Count 1, to allow jury to consider Count 2. Penny's lawyers object, would clearly appeal if needed. Inner City Press live tweeting below



Penny's lawyer Kenniff: This would be elbowing the jury, coercing them
Judge Wiley: The DA's proposal would resolve that.
ADA Wu: Your Honor put it correctly. Removal of the top count, with prejudice, takes that concern away.
Judge Wiley: What do I tell the jury?

ADA Yoran: Don't tell them it's an acquittal (on Count 1), only that it's dismissed.
Penny's lawyer Kenniff: This has never been done before. It would encourage prosecutors to over-charge in the grand jury, with the option of withdrawing if hung, under coercion

https://twitter.com/x/status/1865135900595802273

ETA: forgot link

 

[LinasK]

You're not alone in that opinion, but from what I've read and heard, most people think he did the right thing. MOO

And, if Dr. Chundru is correct, DP didn't kill JN.

"Most people" don't count, only the jury's verdict does. That's as unreliable as political polls. I also don't believe that Dr. Chundru is credible.

 

[justtrish]

Also from this news report -

The jury in the Daniel Penny trial told the judge they couldn’t reach a unanimous verdict on the first charge of second-degree manslaughter, prompting the judge to issue an Allen charge urging them to make every effort to agree. One of the jurors was seen rolling his eyes as the instructions were read.

Issuing a second Allen charge doesn't sound promising if you've got one of the jurors rolling his eyes when the first Allen charge was issued.

It's sad that this second time issuing an Allen charge does feel like the judge bullying the jury. This jury has taken it's time, reviewed evidence again and asked questions. They have not been quick and careless so to continue to ask them to discuss in an attempt to "sway" others into their way of thinking, just to get this done is bullying.

 

[GRT]

"Most people" don't count, only the jury's verdict does. That's as unreliable as political polls. I also don't believe that Dr. Chundru is credible.

Fair enough.

I don't think Dr Harris was credible.

 

[JoeFromLB]

You're not alone in that opinion, but from what I've read and heard, most people think he did the right thing. MOO

And, if Dr. Chundru is correct, DP didn't kill JN.

I can't help but think of George Floyd. The medical examiner said he had a massive amount of fentanyl in his body, maybe ten times the lethal dose? I'm trying to recall it from the autopsy report.
So, similarities here? JMO
Not excusing the cop who had his knee on him etc.

 

[DS2021]

breaking

Inner City Press (@innercitypress.bsky.social)

ADA Yoran: Don't tell them it's an acquittal (on Count 1), only that it's dismissed. Penny's lawyer Kenniff: This has never been done before. It would encourage prosecutors to over-charge in the grand jury, with the option of withdrawing if hung, under coercion

bsky.app

 

[GRT]

It's sad that this second time issuing an Allen charge does feel like the judge bullying the jury. This jury has taken it's time, reviewed evidence again and asked questions. They have not been quick and careless so to continue to ask them to discuss in an attempt to "sway" others into their way of thinking, just to get this done is bullying.

It does feel like that.
And this decision isn't even backed by precedent.