Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely

[Izzylizzy]

Adding insult to deadly injury Penny left Neely face down..
NY LE did try to save Neely.

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'My man! Stay with me!' officer can be heard saying to Jordan Neely in body cam footage played for jury
By Kyle Schnitzer


'The jury was shown chaotic footage taken from the body camera of NYPD Officer Dennis Kang as he tried to wake up Jordan Neely.

"My man! Stay with me ... yo!" Kang could be heard saying as he furiously shook Neely's stomach.

Kang and other officers initially saw Neely lying almost face down on the floor before they "flipped him stomach side up and tried to wake him up," Kang testified, recalling that the officers screamed at Neely to try to jolt him awake.

Daniel Penny trial live updates: Marine facing manslaughter for subway chokehold

 

[Izzylizzy]

Do you have a link to confirm this statement, or is this your opinion?

Penny's words and actions.
There's plenty of videos and statements by Penny.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Penny's words and actions.
There's plenty of videos and statements by Penny.

So you're saying Penny himself stated he was never concerned, as you've asserted?
Please share any links confirming this, because if that's the case, it completely changes the way I see this.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Okay, I see where you're getting this idea from. Except you're putting words into DP's mouth that he never actually said.

"Neely was just a "crackhead" to him so why sweat it, eh?" We don't know for a fact that he made any such statement in a dismissive way as you're suggesting. We can't possibly know what he was thinking or how he felt about what just happened.

I think most folks who've ever encountered a drug addicted person & their erractic, unstable, highly unpredictable and often violent behavior while under the influence would completely understand what he meant when he called him a crackhead. If he was acting like that (and from all accounts, he most certainly was) it makes perfect sense why he said that. It doesn't automatically mean he thought him less than human, nor did he ever imply he thought that.

jmo

BBM
Penny did say "crackhead" so it's not me putting "words into his mouth".

Daniel Penny trial for the death of Jordan Neely in NYC ...​

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Oct 21, 2024 — Neely was later pronounced dead at a hospital, and his death was ruled a homicide. Penny later described Neely to the police as a “crackhead ...

 

[Izzylizzy]

So you're saying Penny himself stated he was never concerned, as you've asserted?
Please share any links confirming this, because if that's the case, it completely changes the way I see this.

It's all out there as I posted so it's how you see it.
No need for me to keep posting the same quotes and actions of Penny.

 

[Ontario Mom]

BBM
Penny did say "crackhead" so it's not me putting "words into his mouth".

I was responding to this statement of yours: ""Neely was just a "crackhead" to him so why sweat it, eh?"

Yes, Penny called him a crackhead, as I've addressed. But to my knowledge he never made the claim in a dismissive, dehumanizing way as you've suggested. That's your opinion that he felt that way, but we have no proof of that.

As for your repeated claims that Penny never showed any concern then or now, while this may be your opinion, I've never seen any links to confirm that he ever felt that way then, or now.

Based on what we know, I'm of the opinion that he reacted courageously, making every attempt to subdue JN and prevent him from carrying out the threats he was making. I don't think he thought he was holding him in such a way that was going to cause long term damage or even death. I think he thought he was retraining him properly, awaiting LE to arrive and take over. It was a tragic outcome but I don't think Penny should even be on trial and hope he walks.

jmo

 

[Izzylizzy]

I was responding to this statement of yours: ""Neely was just a "crackhead" to him so why sweat it, eh?"

Yes, Penny called him a crackhead, as I've addressed. But to my knowledge he never made the claim in a dismissive, dehumanizing way as you've suggested. That's your opinion that he felt that way, but we have no proof of that.

As for your repeated claims that Penny never showed any concern then or now, while this may be your opinion, I've never seen any links to confirm that he ever felt that way then, or now.

Based on what we know, I'm of the opinion that he reacted courageously, making every attempt to subdue JN and prevent him from carrying out the threats he was making. I don't think he thought he was holding him in such a way that was going to cause long term damage or even death. I think he thought he was retraining him properly, awaiting LE to arrive and take over. It was a tragic outcome but I don't think Penny should even be on trial and hope he walks.

jmo

BBM:
When your first reaction to seeing a person as they enter wherever that is that they're a "crackhead" is certainly dehumanizing them and as we found out Neely suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.
It wouldn't matter what Penny thought when he put Neely in the chokehold that killed him.

Penny is a Marine and trained in deadly force/chokeholds so he has no excuse for continuing chokeholding Neely for a minute after he was motionless and even before then when Neely's body jerking was a sign he's dying.


“The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,” the DA’s office wrote in a November 2023 court filing.
His Marine trainer testified before the Grand Jury'


"Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office has argued that Penny knew during the encounter that he might kill Neely, even if that was not his intention.

They’ve cited testimony from a Marine trainer, who told the grand jury that Marines are taught that chokeholds — which are meant to be a “non-lethal” restraint — can sometimes be fatal.

Prosecutors will also bring up evidence that Penny kept Neely in his chokehold for six minutes, continuing to restrain him even after the homeless man was no longer making purposeful movements.

“The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,” the DA’s office wrote in a November 2023 court filing.
His Marine trainer testified before the Grand Jury'

Daniel Penny’s lawyers will try to ‘put jurors in that train car’ and ask ‘what would you do?’ as trial begins

Jordan Neely’s death in a crowded Manhattan subway car struck a nerve with New Yorkers in May 2023, when bystander video of Daniel Penny placing the troubled homeless man in a fatal chokehold…

nypost.com

 

[Rolypolyoly]

BBM:
When your first reaction to seeing a person as they enter wherever that is that they're a "crackhead" is certainly dehumanizing them and as we found out Neely suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.
It wouldn't matter what Penny thought when he put Neely in the chokehold that killed him.

Penny is a Marine and trained in deadly force/chokeholds so he has no excuse for continuing chokeholding Neely for a minute after he was motionless and even before then when Neely's body jerking was a sign he's dying.


“The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,” the DA’s office wrote in a November 2023 court filing.
His Marine trainer testified before the Grand Jury'


"Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office has argued that Penny knew during the encounter that he might kill Neely, even if that was not his intention.

They’ve cited testimony from a Marine trainer, who told the grand jury that Marines are taught that chokeholds — which are meant to be a “non-lethal” restraint — can sometimes be fatal.

Prosecutors will also bring up evidence that Penny kept Neely in his chokehold for six minutes, continuing to restrain him even after the homeless man was no longer making purposeful movements.

“The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,” the DA’s office wrote in a November 2023 court filing.
His Marine trainer testified before the Grand Jury'

Daniel Penny’s lawyers will try to ‘put jurors in that train car’ and ask ‘what would you do?’ as trial begins

Jordan Neely’s death in a crowded Manhattan subway car struck a nerve with New Yorkers in May 2023, when bystander video of Daniel Penny placing the troubled homeless man in a fatal chokehold…

nypost.com

Yes, and the hold that Penny was trained in, when performed properly and effectively should take no longer than 30 seconds to subdue the subject. There really is no excuse for the 6 minutes Penny had a hold round Neely's neck. JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes, and the hold that Penny was trained in, when performed properly and effectively should take no longer than 30 seconds to subdue the subject. There really is no excuse for the 6 minutes Penny had a hold round Neely's neck. JMO

Penny's attorney's defense is what coulda-woulda happened is irrelevant.
What did happen is as you said.
They expect everyone to dismiss that because of Jordan Perry's past criminal record.
The same thing happened to George Floyd.
It's called they didn't pass the "smell test" so they deserved to die.

 

[lonetraveler]

I do recall learning about Neely's violent criminal past at the time but had forgotten how extensive it was.
His own prior conduct proved he was in fact, a threat to those folks on the trail.

I truly hope if I'm ever on a NY subway that a Daniel Penny is in the subway car that I'm in. IMO, if he had not stepped in, we would be reading about the injuries and maybe even death of people who were on that subway.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes, and the hold that Penny was trained in, when performed properly and effectively should take no longer than 30 seconds to subdue the subject. There really is no excuse for the 6 minutes Penny had a hold round Neely's neck. JMO

Do we know if Daniel Penny suffered from PTSD from his service in the military?

 

[acutename]

Yes, and the hold that Penny was trained in, when performed properly and effectively should take no longer than 30 seconds to subdue the subject. There really is no excuse for the 6 minutes Penny had a hold round Neely's neck. JMO

If you put some one in a choke hold for 30 secs and then let them go, what happens? Really curious and I want to know the text book answer.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I truly hope if I'm ever on a NY subway that a Daniel Penny is in the subway car that I'm in. IMO, if he had not stepped in, we would be reading about the injuries and maybe even death of people who were on that subway.

It's not that DP "stepped in".
It's that he killed someone using illegal deadly force.

 

[lonetraveler]

It's not that DP "stepped in".
It's that he killed someone using illegal deadly force.

I disagree with you. He did not start the situation, Neely did. He announced that he was going to create a problem and potentially hurt someone on that subway. DP did "step up" to the situation and protected other people from harm.

 

[lonetraveler]

I've traveled in my career and there is no way in hades that I would ride a NY subway without a weapon. My life has been in danger a few times while I traveled.

 

[mickey2942]

If you put some one in a choke hold for 30 secs and then let them go, what happens? Really curious and I want to know the text book answer.

I don't know. But we also need to look at the adrenaline in the perpetrator, who believed that Neely was a threat to other people. Penny may have been just as scared.

I once rode in an ambulance, as a ride along, and the lights and sirens were screaming away. I noticed, the vehicle was only going 25 mph, but when you see them go by, they seem to be "flying", going fast.

So, we really don't know about how Penny was feeling at the time. Was he scared too? So maybe he had no clue how long he had Neely in a headlock.

 

[lonetraveler]

Now, according to the news, Penny is a racist. I say race has absolutely nothing to do with the situation but not surprised that the race card is once again being used. The man entered the car and announced he was going to hurt someone. He was willing to go to prison for the rest of his life. I don't know about you but I take that kind of threat seriously.

 

[Izzylizzy]

After Penny got finished choking Neely unconscious he just left him almost face down on the subway car floor dying.
Penny calmy stood there waiting for LE.

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Penny, left, waited for police to arrive. He told them: 'I put him out,' when asked how Neely ended up unconscious


more info about Penny's life

Daniel Penny court bombshell as bodycam shows victim 'still had pulse'

Penny, then 24, is accused of killing Neely by putting him in what prosecutors say was a fatal chokehold.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Izzylizzy]

Wow!
Penny's trainer from the Marines testified before the Grand Jury.

"Among these was their contention that Penny couldn’t be held accountable for killing Neely because his death was “not foreseeable.”

“The notion that death is not a foreseeable consequence of squeezing someone’s neck for six minutes is beyond the pale,” Steinglass wrote — adding that the grand jury saw “considerable evidence” that Penny was trained to use the dangerous chokeholds by the US Marines.

“The defendant’s own trainer testified that even though ‘chokes’ are taught as a means of non-lethal restraint, students are specifically cautioned during training that a choke can be fatal to the person being held,” the filing said.'

https://nypost.com/2023/11/15/metro...ry-training-warnings-from-others-prosecutors/

VIDEO: Daniel Penny Ignores Bystander's Warning About ...​

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May 5, 2023 — Extended video shows Daniel Penny appearing to ignore a person who warned 'you're going to kill him' while he had Jordan Neely in a chokehold

Marine Veteran Was Warned He Was 'Going to Kill' Jordan ...
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[shotgun09]

"When troubled subway rider Jordan Neely threatened "I will kill" on a crowded subway train, Daniel Penny felt he had to intervene to protect other riders, defense lawyer Thomas Kenniff told jurors.

"When Neely threatened to kill, there was only one thing that Daniel Penny could do,” Kenniff said. "

BBM
From opening statements today, from this :

Daniel Penny trial live updates from Nov. 1

Follow The Post’s live updates for the latest news from the trial, in which Daniel Penny is accused of manslaughter for placing Jordan Neely in a chokehold after the homeless man acted erratically …

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