Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[T rex]

Why, then, is John the main party pushing for further DNA testing?

Maybe he's just the main party pushing it to the public. Maybe he already knew that investigators had been testing the DNA. He's always been on the inside of this investigation. I don't know but I'm sure he has his reasons. CEO John is a smart guy, no one ever accused him of being dumb.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

What pineapple snack? Her duodenum contained pineapple, cherries and grapes. She ate that at some point on Christmas day, but since the bowl left out on the breakfast table only had pineapple, it can't be the source of her last meal.

The fact it is found in the duodenum implicates a relatively short period between ingestion and death. If you are claiming that it was part of a meal on Christmas night while at the Whites, then she was murdered soon after getting home that night, perhaps while BR was playing with his toys. I wonder if BR said hello to the intruder as he walked by.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

The fact it is found in the duodenum implicates a relatively short period between ingestion and death. If you are claiming that it was part of a meal on Christmas night while at the Whites, then she was murdered soon after getting home that night, perhaps while BR was playing with his toys. I wonder if BR said hello to the intruder as he walked by.

Digestion is one of those things that can vary greatly depending on the circumstances - like being asleep, for example. Schiller mentions at least one expert that thought it could have been eaten earlier, and Woodward shows a reference to a police report claiming the same thing (Unsolved, p100).

 

[ShadyLady]

Finding JR public statements of gratitude to Lockheed very interesting. Does anyone else suspect that Lockheed has been calling the shots on this case?
Also noted that (last years?) crime convention JR made statement about checking DNA of Burkes friends…. And now he has divulged that one of Burkes friends accompanied, solo, Burke and the rest of the Ramsey family on their plane out of Bolder days after the murder….? Was that Doug Stine? JR didn’t remember…

Oh, I believe Lockheed had influence. Money and power....

 

[australianwebsleuth]

Digestion is one of those things that can vary greatly depending on the circumstances - like being asleep, for example. Schiller mentions at least one expert that thought it could have been eaten earlier, and Woodward shows a reference to a police report claiming the same thing (Unsolved, p100).

Think about the logic. If eaten earlier than the Whites?, she was awake and ambulant. They got there at 6.30 pm. Gastric emptying starts about 40 minutes after consumption. Entry into the colon starts at about 4 hours. 4 hours is about the correct time after ingestion that the stomach is emptied. Food can remain in the stomach for up to 6 hours.I doubt JBR has Gastroparesis.

4 hours after the grape/cherry/pineapple meal is the likely time of death. 10.30 pm to 12.30 am.

One thing I will agree with, is that the pineapple on the bench was not the cause of her Duodenal contents.

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Think about the logic. If eaten earlier than the Whites?, she was awake and ambulant. They got there at 6.30 pm. Gastric emptying starts about 40 minutes after consumption. Entry into the colon starts at about 4 hours. 4 hours is about the correct time after ingestion that the stomach is emptied. Food can remain in the stomach for up to 6 hours.I doubt JBR has Gastroparesis.

4 hours after the grape/cherry/pineapple meal is the likely time of death. 10.30 pm to 12.30 am.

I believe the fruit was eaten at the Whites. Either way I see nothing odd with a time of death at 12-12:30 am.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Just a note on this. JBR had chronic vaginitis also identified on autopsy. It's been shown that vaginal flora commonly produces amylase. Its also been shown that in vaginal secretions (adult), amylase is often found.

Where its possible that saliva was the cause of the amylase, the fact that it was not found outside the blood spot as you have described suggests this was of bacterial rather than human origin.

The idea that saliva made it inside the vagina and nowhere else is a bit 'far fetched'. Where is the hard evidence she was wiped down? Do we have a rag? Is it evidence based or an inference?

Bacterial amylases enable glycogen degradation by the vaginal microbiome - Nature Microbiology

The pathologist stated in the autopsy report it appeared that JBs vagina area was wiped down.

 

[australianwebsleuth]

The pathologist stated in the autopsy report it appeared that JBs vagina area was wiped down.

How did he know that?

 

[docyabut]

“She had tape over her mouth, and her hands were tied behind her back,” John said in the series. “And I immediately pulled the tape off, and I tried to untie her hands, but the knot was tied really tight, I couldn’t get it undone.”

What Evidence Was Found at the Scene of JonBenét Ramsey's Murder? 8 Items That Could Potentially Solve the Decades-Old Cold Case

JonBenét Ramsey was found dead in her Colorado home on Dec. 26, 1996. Here’s everything to know about the eight pieces of evidence that could potentially lead police to her killer.

people.com

From the ransom note to an unidentified bootprint,?

 

[Skully]

Oh, I believe Lockheed had influence. Money and power....

I was watching a podcast or documentary about something, and Lockheed was mentioned as a faction in the film and it reminded me of this case.

 

[dotr]

Dec 3 2024

What Evidence Was Found at the Scene of JonBenét Ramsey's Murder? 8 Items That Could Potentially Solve the Decades-Old Cold Case

JonBenét Ramsey was found dead in her Colorado home on Dec. 26, 1996. Here’s everything to know about the eight pieces of evidence that could potentially lead police to her killer.

people.com

''In her 2008 statement to the Ramsey family, then-DA Mary Lacy said DNA evidence found on JonBenét’s clothes led to her decision to exonerate them. She wrote: "The match of male DNA on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of the murder makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items."

According to Cold Case, there was DNA found in her underwear that also matched what was found under her fingernails. In 2016, 9News reported that the same DNA was found on JonBenét’s long johns — a discovery that led Lacy to believe that police had the killer’s DNA profile.''

Dec 3, 2024 #unsolved #JonBenétRamsey
Progress is being made in the investigation of the 1996 #unsolved murder of 6-year-old #JonBenétRamsey, sources told ABC News.

 

[Lamima]

Dec 3 2024

What Evidence Was Found at the Scene of JonBenét Ramsey's Murder? 8 Items That Could Potentially Solve the Decades-Old Cold Case

JonBenét Ramsey was found dead in her Colorado home on Dec. 26, 1996. Here’s everything to know about the eight pieces of evidence that could potentially lead police to her killer.

people.com

''In her 2008 statement to the Ramsey family, then-DA Mary Lacy said DNA evidence found on JonBenét’s clothes led to her decision to exonerate them. She wrote: "The match of male DNA on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of the murder makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items."

According to Cold Case, there was DNA found in her underwear that also matched what was found under her fingernails. In 2016, 9News reported that the same DNA was found on JonBenét’s long johns — a discovery that led Lacy to believe that police had the killer’s DNA profile.''

Dec 3, 2024 #unsolved #JonBenétRamsey
Progress is being made in the investigation of the 1996 #unsolved murder of 6-year-old #JonBenétRamsey, sources told ABC News.

Wait, so panties and fingernails and long johns all had the same exact DNA profile??? First I've heard this. If true, that's the killer and surely they can do ancestry DNA and/or parabon.

 

[dotr]

rbbm

John Ramsey shares new updates that make him 'optimistic' at solving JonBenét case

He has also said he's 'not bothered' people think he was involved in his daughter's death

thetab.com

''Speaking on Cuomo on NewsNation, John Ramsey said: “We want the evidence that has been previously tested and never tested. We think there’s some that has never been tested.

“We want that re-sampled by one of the cutting-edge labs that’s out there. The government, I don’t think, has the technology yet to do it. An Othram Labs, Bode Labs, those are really cutting-edge labs. Bode did the original testing back in 1997. They came up with unidentified male DNA, still unidentified.

“That was a real problem for the police, because they’d already decided that we were the killers. Like, ‘how do we explain away this unidentified DNA?’ And they tried for a long time find an innocent explanation.”

 

[docyabut]

Sorry for going on and on about this case , but pedophiles don't want money "(

 

[Linda7NJ]

@billhuffman3

We can only hope. But, TBH, it feels like they say this about certain cases every year, especially when there was the Netflix doc and the anniversary. Also, the NY Post is a tabloid so not sure I trust the source. Just my opinion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863717932628328719

“She had tape over her mouth, and her hands were tied behind her back,” John said in the series. “And I immediately pulled the tape off, and I tried to untie her hands, but the knot was tied really tight, I couldn’t get it undone.”

What Evidence Was Found at the Scene of JonBenét Ramsey's Murder? 8 Items That Could Potentially Solve the Decades-Old Cold Case

JonBenét Ramsey was found dead in her Colorado home on Dec. 26, 1996. Here’s everything to know about the eight pieces of evidence that could potentially lead police to her killer.

people.com

From the ransom note to an unidentified bootprint,?

Struck me as odd “hands tied behind her back”
As I recall jonbenet was stiff and her arms were extended above her head

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sorry for going on and on about this case , but pedophiles don't want money "(

She wasn’t killed by a pedophile or a kidnapper IMO
A Pedophile would have removed her from the house, as would a kidnapper

 

[eishish]

Sorry for going on and on about this case , but pedophiles don't want money "(

The parents wld not know that, but when police involved and jbr killed it was to show great anger?? By whoever staged it. This case has so many what ifs, which make it so hard to pinpoint, and on purpose???

 

[Kittybunny]

Hi Tricia! My wife and I lived near this event in Boulder, in 96, and it has always perplexed us. Although vaguely familiar with all the facts and spin, we did not revisit all this in detail until it’s been in the news this last week. We did just read, listen, and watch many of the various items you referenced here in the last few days. Of special interest was the consult series which you recommended.

The (very reputable) consult team is laser focused on this being a highly organized sexual crime that was well planned out. We were unaware of the excruciating level of sexual assault/activity in the JB case until listening to their documentary. Even their discussion on the “ransom note” is from a point that it was purposefully planned and crafted by the perp. In fact, they go to great length to discuss and dismiss any theories on a cover up, family involvement, etc…the intricate sexual nature of this event has the profilers settled on a non-family accomplished pedophile that every family would want caught and brought to justice.

The handwriting analysis link you posted, also an expert level, as well as the facts surrounding the scene at the home, the timeline of family actions, and the family’s actions in the aftermath do, however, absolutely point to some involvement and/or cover up. What was done to JB seems a uniquely entirely different subset to all the other data and evidence and actions of this case.

We personally don’t believe anyone in the family could or would do the horrific sexual things mentioned that were done to her. We also believe, along with you, that the note and the home and the post-murder actions appear staged.

So, how have you personally reconciled these two diametrically opposite beliefs? Genuinely interested. TIA. MOO.

Welcome to Websleuths, and great first post. You have clearly articulated why I too struggle with reconciling two halves of a crime that just don’t seem to fit together no matter how hard I try to. What weighs more in this case - the murder itself and what it might say about the perpetrator or the post-crime (or pre-crime) actions and who those might point to? Arrrrgh!

One thing I agree with John Ramsey on - if the cord remains untested, do it. Have @othram do it - they are above reproach. Use genetic genealogy on the samples they do have.

Question for those who have followed closer than I - is there a list of what was tested? All the things in her bedroom? Door knobs? The infamous suitcase? Windowsill?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

docyabut said:
Is it possible John Ramsey's oldest son was involved in this case? and wanted his father's bonus Christmas money ? He was so jealous of his father's new family and was not given more money and gifts on christmas time, Is it possible he hired some one to go get the money?
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Trying to reply to your post ^^ @docyabut but the format is weird lol...

Anyways, I wonder if super sleuthers on here who know this case inside and out (I don't know all the details but have always wanted this solved so bad for that little girl so jumped in pretty much!!) know if he was ruled out? And if him and JR have maintained a relationship all these years?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

She wasn’t killed by a pedophile or a kidnapper IMO
A Pedophile would have removed her from the house, as would a kidnapper

ITA! Great point.