GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[MsBetsy]

They quoted him.

The only quote I could find was of him offering his condolences and asking for forgiveness.
The only mention about the stolen fishing equipment was under the summary of Barnhill's statements.

Imo

 

[oviedo]

Statement by homeowner's via their lawyer, Elizabeth Graddy

from: New video appears to show Ahmaud Arbery moments before his death

In a statement, the owners of the under-construction home say they have no relationship with the McMichaels, and would never have wanted what they call a "vigilante response."

"First, and most important, the English family -- the homeowners -- want Ahmaud Arbery's parents to know that they are very sorry for the loss of their son and they are praying for them," said the statement from Elizabeth Graddy, attorney for homeowner Larry English. "Second, it is crucial to understand that the English family -- the homeowners -- were not part of what the McMichaels did. The first accounts suggested a link between the McMichaels and the homeowners, but there is none. The English family had no relationship with the McMichaels and did not even know what had occurred until after Mr. Arbery's death was reported to them. After seeing Mr. Arbery's photo in news reports, Larry English did not even think Mr. Arbery was the person that appears in this video. Even if it had been, however, Mr. English would never have sought a vigilante response, much less one resulting in a tragic death."

FYI (all caught up now)
Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot Brunswick,GA, Feb 2020*MEDIA,MAPS,TIMELINE*NO DISCUSSION

 

[tlcya]

The only quote I could find was of him offering his condolences and asking for forgiveness.
The only mention about the stolen fishing equipment was under the summary of Barnhill's statements.

Imo

I tend to agree Ms Betsy. It was poorly written and moved from Barnhill's tripe into talking about L.E. and ended up stating he confirmed something he now says he didn't.

 

[MsBetsy]

I tend to agree Ms Betsy. It was poorly written and moved from Barnhill's tripe into talking about L.E. and ended up stating he confirmed something he now says he didn't.

Yeah, I had to go back and read it over again because they do make it sound like English made the statement about the stolen property.

I think Barnhill included the information to back up the claim that McMichaels had a justifiable reason to make a citizens arrest.

Imo

 

[Hope4More]

Thank you for this linked tweet



So English was aware (due to phone alerts ap) that someone was trespassing at night on his under construction property.

In addition the docs shown in the tweet state that TM was the person who reported at least this instance of trespass at night and that police then contacted the property owner L. English who stated so far he has noticed some trespassing incidents lately but found nothing stolen in them and so felt no need to report to police.

So it appears English was telling the truth when he told reporters he's never had anything stolen from his property and never made any police reports about trespassing. The Ms were the ones most concerned about the presence of AA in their neighborhood. Not the property owner himself.

English doesn't seem to have reported the trespassing incidents to LE himself. But from what else is stated in the linked report, he does seem to have been concerned by the incidents. Enough, anyway, to share at least some portion of his surveillance tapes on the neighborhood's FB group, along with a description of the trespasser.

That English posted the tapes there definitely helps explain why so many Satilla Shore residents seem to have been aware of prior trespasses on English's property, as well as Senior's assertion that he had seen English's tapes, though English has stated he had no connections with Senior (or Junior).

What is less clear, on the surface at least, is why Bryan, Senior, Junior, and Overalls told LE- who would know better and otherwise, BTW- of multiple burglaries in the neighborhood, much less that any of them recognized Ahmaud as that (nonexistent) burglar, especially since Ahmaud didn't even match the description of English's trespasser, not being light-skinned, and not having 3-4 inch dreadlocks/braids.

 

[tlcya]

 

[Hope4More]

This case has all the makings for a really explosive acquittal.

Only if there is jury nullification. IMO.


Charge: Felony murder.

Criteria: The death occurs during the commission of an " inherently dangerous felony." Intent does not matter, only that the death occurred during the commission of another felony.

Georgia Murder Laws - FindLaw

Charge: Aggravated assault. (the underlying felony).

Criteria: A person commits aggravated assault when he assaults with a deadly weapon, which when used offensively against another person is likely to or actually does cause serious bodily injury.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: ARTICLE 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY :: § 16-5-21 - Aggravated assault


GA's legal definition of simple assault: A person (commits simple assault) when he commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: ARTICLE 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY :: § 16-5-20 - Simple assault

1. Neither Junior or Senior witnessed Ahmaud's misdemeanor offense (if that) of entering English's construction site. Neither even claims that they did.

2. Senior saw Ahmaud RUN past, and in that split second, though Ahmaud didn't even match English's
description of/tapes of a TRESPASSER, called for Junior to grab a gun, armed himself, and immediately took off after Ahmaud in a truck.

Did Senior actually even yell at Ahmaud to stop, that they wanted to talk with him? In between or during those attempts to corner him with 2 trucks?

The video of Ahmaud's killing suggests otherwise. Nothing like that is said on the video. At about .18 in, what I hear is a man perhaps screaming "turning, turning" (as Ahmaud approached the truck), and more definitely, as Ahmaud runs to the right of the truck, "stop running, s-hithead."

So many etc.'s about how and why what Junior and Senior did does not meet any of the required legal grounds for making a citizen's arrest.

3. Without citizen's arrest as legal justification, their pursuit of Ahmaud meets the standard of assault; their trapping him on Holmes and confronting him with guns drawn meets the standard of aggravated assault, and the fact that Junior fired the shots that killed Ahmaud during that aggravated assault makes it felony murder. IMO.

And no, stand your ground doesn't apply here either.

 

[Hope4More]

FYI (all caught up now)
Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot Brunswick,GA, Feb 2020*MEDIA,MAPS,TIMELINE*NO DISCUSSION

Thanks for doing all that work.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Only if there is jury nullification. IMO.


Charge: Felony murder.

Criteria: The death occurs during the commission of an " inherently dangerous felony." Intent does not matter, only that the death occurred during the commission of another felony.

Georgia Murder Laws - FindLaw

Charge: Aggravated assault. (the underlying felony).

Criteria: A person commits aggravated assault when he assaults with a deadly weapon, which when used offensively against another person is likely to or actually does cause serious bodily injury.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: ARTICLE 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY :: § 16-5-21 - Aggravated assault


GA's legal definition of simple assault: A person (commits simple assault) when he commits an act which places another in reasonable apprehension of immediately receiving a violent injury.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON :: ARTICLE 2 - ASSAULT AND BATTERY :: § 16-5-20 - Simple assault

1. Neither Junior or Senior witnessed Ahmaud's misdemeanor offense (if that) of entering English's construction site. Neither even claims that they did.

2. Senior saw Ahmaud RUN past, and in that split second, though Ahmaud didn't even match English's
description of/tapes of a TRESPASSER, called for Junior to grab a gun, armed himself, and immediately took off after Ahmaud in a truck.

Did Senior actually even yell at Ahmaud to stop, that they wanted to talk with him? In between or during those attempts to corner him with 2 trucks?

The video of Ahmaud's killing suggests otherwise. Nothing like that is said on the video. At about .18 in, what I hear is a man perhaps screaming "turning, turning" (as Ahmaud approached the truck), and more definitely, as Ahmaud runs to the right of the truck, "stop running, s-hithead."

So many etc.'s about how and why what Junior and Senior did does not meet any of the required legal grounds for making a citizen's arrest.

3. Without citizen's arrest as legal justification, their pursuit of Ahmaud meets the standard of assault; their trapping him on Holmes and confronting him with guns drawn meets the standard of aggravated assault, and the fact that Junior fired the shots that killed Ahmaud during that aggravated assault makes it felony murder. IMO.

And no, stand your ground doesn't apply here either.

Excellent post. And for all we know, it may be an explosive conviction, for those who were hoping they had the inalienable right to form a posse and run their fellow man down with weapons drawn on the basis of a suspicion. JMO. This is some seriously ugly business, IMO.

 

[tlcya]

May be old news to others but I have never seen this "Roddy" video interview William Roddy Bryan, who recorded Ahmaud Arbery shooting, speaks out: "Complete shock" - CBS News

 

[JaxFlaGal]

As to whether it is common for helpers to show up early at a job site before anybody else and whether single home construction job sites see a lot of work on southern Sundays, I would say that both are well, possible, but not very likely, and could well be highly unlikely.

LOL a bit off topic, but I wish you'd tell that to the crews working every weekend on the buildout of a house behind my lot here in Northeast Florida! I'd love it if they weren't banging away driving my dogs nuts on Sundays.

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

@ChanleyCourtTV
A February 11,2020 Police Report concerning the “ongoing” trespassing by “an unknown black male” on the Satilla Dr. home under construction w/security cameras describes a man who appears to look nothing like Ahmaud Arbery

Chanley Shá Painter on Twitter

Well I bet they have solved any kind of trespassing or theft in that neighborhood now.

 

[Hope4More]

As for that did he have a job thing.

New York Times article, quoting Ahmaud's best friend, states Ahmaud was working with/for his father doing landscaping jobs and that he also worked at a car wash.

A Lifetime of Running With Ahmaud Arbery Ends With a Text: ‘We Lost Maud’

 

[Gardenista]

Has anyone found the video released by WSAV showing him in the house up to 4 times at night?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Has anyone found the video released by WSAV showing him in the house up to 4 times at night?

I saw it on Facebook but have been unable to find a msm link.

 

[Gardenista]

I saw it on Facebook but have been unable to find a msm link.

I just found it

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

There was no reason or justification to shoot or detain AA. Even if he was suspected of prior crimes, he wasn't doing anything wrong on this particular day.

The guy who was filming him had video of AA that they could have turned over to police along with other footage of him inside the construction site.

I can understand a neighborhood's concern with thieves. Ask the police to step up their patrol. That should be enough to deter would-be criminals.

 

[LietKynes]

Has anyone found the video released by WSAV showing him in the house up to 4 times at night?

There might be security footage of the nighttime person with the tats and dreads.
I haven't found it, though.

The video above in post # 517 is Ahmaud at the house under construction in the daytime; and isn't the "4 times at night" video.

It looks like he was viewing the house that was being built but didn't take anything.
So no theft even if the McMichaels' thought he was doing so.

I think the 'at night' person was someone other than Ahmaud , as he's described as having long dreadlocks and 'tat sleeves'.
And the video linked is during daytime and from the lighting angle appears to be noon or midday ?

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I just found it

That's him, but nothing was ever taken at any time. Was it?

 

[branmuffin]

That's exactly how I imagined the home to look like. I have looked around in dozens of houses under construction that looked like that. Lots of people are interested in how homes are built. I used to look around, trying to figure out which room was going to be the master bedroom, kitchen, bathroom, etc, and imagining what it would look like in the end.

Maybe I'm just lucky no-one saw me and chased me down with a gun.

To me it looks like he was looking around because he was curious. What did they think he was going to steal? A piece of plywood? A hammer? And then run off on foot?

Imo

Viewing panels are normal in the fencing that surrounds large construction sites. Lots of people are interested in what goes on during construction. Anywhere there is construction, people stop to look at the progress.