GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #11

[dancinunderthemoon]

top 10 reasons people kill

Top 10 Reasons why a Person kills Someone - List Dose

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

You know, meant to mention the fact that RD was so close to the garage door, apparently almost up against it...…..why do we suppose it all happened right there? THat close to the door...…... Hiding him from anyone looking in there from the house? THe neighbor friend didn't at first see him in there when he just looked in from the house door to the garage as the car or SUV was in the way.... he later had to go down the steps and turn between the cars in order to see him

And why did they staunch the blood flow with towels? That was a lot of handling, why didn't they just drag him...…...omg, they DID, that is why they dragged him, he was possibly literally UP against the garage door

they didn't drag him further from the door tho, why? they still had to use towels to stop the blood flow

Maybe did they use the towels first and it wasn't enough , so then moved him ?

NO maybe they moved him FIRST but it was too much blood and they didn't want him closer to the inside door to the house so then they used towels...….

I don't think the towels was planned, I think it was their own, so someone had to go inside.……..where is the laundry room, maybe they were in there closer to the garage??

Trying ti figure how his FOOT dragged thru blood in the garage, by a few feet in distance

 

[watcher9]

Could have towels in the garage to wipe down a car? Or, towels nearby in case children went swimming off dock? Did they ever do that?

We don't have a diagram of the body, blood and drag marks but it would be nice. Maybe his legs were just spread out and they moved them through the blood to be closer together so they could get by the body? When I'm sitting in the chair with my legs spread out, that's at least two or three to four feet apart.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Could have towels in the garage to wipe down a car? Or, towels nearby in case children went swimming off dock? Did they ever do that?

We don't have a diagram of the body, blood and drag marks but it would be nice. Maybe his legs were just spread out and they moved them through the blood to be closer together so they could get by the body? When I'm sitting in the chair with my legs spread out, that's at least two or three to four feet apart.

I actually do have a drawing I did, on my other computer, its so slow, I had planned to upload it here...…..ill try it again

I don't know how often they were there but didn't see anything that looked like there'd been any activity there in the pics but yes that could be I suppose, just don't know what kind of towels, the color or how many

his FOOT was dragged thru the blood, he was barefooted, his shoes were further in the garage than RD was...….said they were faint drag marks, that he had been moved a few feet....…….seemed like his head was facing away from the first car in front of house door.....just seems like there wasn't much room to move him and if they dragged him thru the blood then it was after he was beheaded? or the beginning of it when there was blood starting to accumulate...…...but if they moved him away from the garage door, and blood was UNDER him, how did his feet go thru it further into garage, when he was right at the garage door when found and blood all under him


ill have to go back on podcast to listen again, there has GOT to be SOME kind of hint about Something that could help us understand this better

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

somebody compare this to the podcast description given by Holloway
slippers off to the right as Holloway was viewing it or off to Dermonds right?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Recalling some facts:

Email was sent on Friday night by the Dermonds, the USA Today crossword puzzle for Saturday comes on Friday and the puzzle had been worked by SD...the family said she does the puzzles in the mornings, so that would be Saturday morning

That being said, do you think the killers knew everyone was busy at the party that day and since there were no neighbors, they planned this meticulously indeed

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[watcher9]

Thanks for finding the diagram. I don't remember seeing it, but I don't remember a lot of things any more.
I thought the body was between the cars near the car doors. And, I thought the house door was on the side by the smaller car.
Looking at where his body was, I would think they had to roll his body toward the cars to put the towels under his left arm. Could that be when the foot was dragged? Or, was the foot dragged in to shut the garage door?
Why were the slippers taken off?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

YW..No I have never posted this diagram before, drew it up a year ago LOL

I know they said you are looking at two cars from the door to the garage from the kitchen hall

you have to go down 2 steps and no body was seen, all you see is cars and garage door

then when you go down the steps, I presumed the cars were facing the door to the kitchen, and he had to turn, maybe because of my memory of the garage door, driveway and kitchen and how I thought it was laid out

Ill find layout of house and garage and post it

I wondered why the shoes were off too

I always thougth he was so close to the garage door since they staunched the blood flow and since the head was placed behind the Lincoln, whichever side it was on, probably head was on the left instead of right, maybe Lincoln on the left

also thought of his foot being out too but I don't think they would do all this with door up because you can see the garage doro from the road, evne tho no neighbors, wouldn't THINK they would take a chance but who knows

maybe rolled him a little and his leg just slipped out or something

WOnder why his Robe was Under him, not on him

so so strange


Thanks for input!!

Thanks for finding the diagram. I don't remember seeing it, but I don't remember a lot of things any more.
I thought the body was between the cars near the car doors. And, I thought the house door was on the side by the smaller car.
Looking at where his body was, I would think they had to roll his body toward the cars to put the towels under his left arm. Could that be when the foot was dragged? Or, was the foot dragged in to shut the garage door?
Why were the slippers taken off?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I thought the 2 doors to the left of kitchen In hallway, one is bath, and one goes to garage, the screen porch is the right, glass door , so that porch meets the side of the garage at driveway if outside, thinking that middle door in kitchen is pantry
so if you walk out that last door in hall my vision is that the cars are facing the door

 

[kirkassoc]

CLEARLY didnt want him found for a few days or more due to the towels used to stop blood going under garage doors into driveway

^^^^^^^
This....seems kind of fruitless to use these towels AND leave the door unlocked? If the door had been locked, their friends who found them would have had to call the sheriff's office for a wellness check?

 

[watcher9]

What is confusing to me is this drawing and the tax assessor one kind of combines the main floor and the basement floor. I thought the two doors to the left of the kitchen went to a bath and a laundry room and the glass door went to the open wood deck from which you could either walk to the left down the outside stairs and to the right was the big open porch. The stairs showing would go down to the basement. I figured the door to the garage was on the left at the top landing of the stairs opposite the laundry room and where you would walk out facing the side of the car.

 

[watcher9]

CLEARLY didnt want him found for a few days or more due to the towels used to stop blood going under garage doors into driveway

^^^^^^^
This....seems kind of fruitless to use these towels AND leave the door unlocked? If the door had been locked, their friends who found them would have had to call the sheriff's office for a wellness check?

I always felt that the towels were used to prop him up enough to finish cutting off his head and was not a ploy to stop the blood from draining out under the garage door.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I always felt that the towels were used to prop him up enough to finish cutting off his head and was not a ploy to stop the blood from draining out under the garage door.

Interesting you say that, I had thougth the same very early on but
I don't think they would have had to prop up the head to cut the throat, theyd have had to lay him down tho, had he been slumped against the car but I don't know why SS thought or what made it appear that he was propped there at first

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

What is confusing to me is this drawing and the tax assessor one kind of combines the main floor and the basement floor. I thought the two doors to the left of the kitchen went to a bath and a laundry room and the glass door went to the open wood deck from which you could either walk to the left down the outside stairs and to the right was the big open porch. The stairs showing would go down to the basement. I figured the door to the garage was on the left at the top landing of the stairs opposite the laundry room and where you would walk out facing the side of the car.

Notice the door in hall with glass over top, would that be an exterior door? NO< look in that upper glass, I see sheetrock.....like it's a small room...…...I don't know now

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

here's a drawing I started, how I see it

and about the towels and door, I see your point but I guess I see it as, no one is going to be overly concerned for a few days, 48 hrs.........a week goes by and someone is going IN THAT HOUSE to find out what's up but not likely before

and no one did, anyone that would have come by were busy with party on Saturday, hmmmm, no one may have even missed them til her bridge game day and may not have then, maybe thought she was sick...…so another week goes by they miss church and then bridge again, THEN someone would have started looking

hmm..…….interesting, once again, seems like the killers wanted them found, but not right away....maybe why they chose the day of the derby party, otherwise no one would have missed them for a great while...……..not sure quite how social the D's were other than her bridge club and church, so what, you miss a club day or two, it could have been weeks before someone looked for them, which wouldn't have mattered either I guess...….except that the family would have eventually had to call to have a welfare check done if they never reached them or even come down to check on them

another week and the children would have had to do a welfare check. I was always surpised why they hadn't already really, always bothered me no one checked in after the derby races to share notes on their bets since the daughter was so big into that and goes to the KY derbies herself

but whoever killed them cant be the ones to find them

CLEARLY didnt want him found for a few days or more due to the towels used to stop blood going under garage doors into driveway

^^^^^^^
This....seems kind of fruitless to use these towels AND leave the door unlocked? If the door had been locked, their friends who found them would have had to call the sheriff's office for a wellness check?

What is confusing to me is this drawing and the tax assessor one kind of combines the main floor and the basement floor. I thought the two doors to the left of the kitchen went to a bath and a laundry room and the glass door went to the open wood deck from which you could either walk to the left down the outside stairs and to the right was the big open porch. The stairs showing would go down to the basement. I figured the door to the garage was on the left at the top landing of the stairs opposite the laundry room and where you would walk out facing the side of the car.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

I always felt that the towels were used to prop him up enough to finish cutting off his head and was not a ploy to stop the blood from draining out under the garage door.

They towels were under his upper left chest/arm area IIRC

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

or whoever was involved

here's a drawing I started, how I see it

and about the towels and door, I see your point but I guess I see it as, no one is going to be overly concerned for a few days, 48 hrs.........a week goes by and someone is going IN THAT HOUSE to find out what's up but not likely before

and no one did, anyone that would have come by were busy with party on Saturday, hmmmm, no one may have even missed them til her bridge game day and may not have then, maybe thought she was sick...…so another week goes by they miss church and then bridge again, THEN someone would have started looking

hmm..…….interesting, once again, seems like the killers wanted them found, but not right away....maybe why they chose the day of the derby party, otherwise no one would have missed them for a great while...……..not sure quite how social the D's were other than her bridge club and church, so what, you miss a club day or two, it could have been weeks before someone looked for them, which wouldn't have mattered either I guess...….except that the family would have eventually had to call to have a welfare check done if they never reached them or even come down to check on them

another week and the children would have had to do a welfare check. I was always surpised why they hadn't already really, always bothered me no one checked in after the derby races to share notes on their bets since the daughter was so big into that and goes to the KY derbies herself

but whoever killed them cant be the ones to find them

 

[watcher9]

They towels were under his upper left chest/arm area IIRC

Exactly, so I'm thinking the towels were propping up his shoulder and arm so they would get the knife under his neck to finish the cut. I tried lying flat on the bed and my hand would not go under my neck but when I propped up my shoulder and arm, I could reach further under my neck.

 

[watcher9]

The transom window over the door - I found this.

'In today's modern architecture, you're likely to come across ventilating transoms in spa-like bathrooms. Located all the way up near the ceiling, this top dog adds diffused light for function and beauty while also working hard to ventilate.'

Transom Windows: Why Use Them — and Where?

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Exactly, so I'm thinking the towels were propping up his shoulder and arm so they would get the knife under his neck to finish the cut. I tried lying flat on the bed and my hand would not go under my neck but when I propped up my shoulder and arm, I could reach further under my neck.

ahhh, I get ya now, I was thinking just cutting from the front, lots of cartilage but not much bone, dont know how hard that is...….

there was a lot of blood and IM not sure how much or how close to garage door either, would like to know that.....his distance to that door would help understand it also maybe

but you could be right...……..

UGH too much to imagine!