I'm so angry part 2

DEPUTYDAWG said:
Kgeaux, I'm very happy you mentioned it again, because I've either forgotten or missed the part about it being the STATE Homeland Security not allowing them in... eagerly waiting to hear what y'all are going to find out about who the State Homeland Security reports to....

As each passing day goes by, more and more stuff sure is coming out....

DeputyDawg, I think a lot of people missed that "state" part. It was quite clear in Tybee's post though. But, it was something easy to miss, too.
 
cynder said:
But WHO does the state Homeland Security Dept REPORT TO???
Because if they are under the control of the FEDERAL HOMELAND SECURITY DEPT then it wasn't exactly the STATE who denied them access.
I know what the Red Cross said, what I am not so sure about is who made this decision. I am also not sure that the Red Cross was willing to go to the Superdome or the Convention Center without benefit of police/military protection.
I am researching now to get the facts on this.

I think I found it for Louisiana:
http://www.loep.state.la.us/homeland/default.htm

State Response

The Louisiana Senate and House of Representative’s Select Committees on Louisiana Homeland Security were created to provide legislative leadership and assistance in the coordination of state efforts to secure the state of Louisiana from terrorist threats and attacks. These committees, together with the Governor’s Office, are committed and privileged to serve the citizens of this great state in this vital task of assuring a safe and secure environment. Read More...

Terrorism link for "read more":
http://www.loep.state.la.us/homeland/hls-main-StateResp.htm

State Readiness

Here citizen's can find related links to State departments, agencies, and programs, in their efforts at preventing and responding to threats and potential threats that confront this state, including natural disasters. Read More...

After following the "Read More" link you get here:
http://www.loep.state.la.us/homeland/hls-main-StateReady.htm

And then you can click on Homeland Security State Contact
MG Bennett C. Landreneau
Adjutant General and Director of the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness

225-925-7500
Fax: 225-925-7501
http://www.loep.state.la.us/homeland
 
I'm pretty sure that the state level of emergency management comes under the governor of each state. I recall Jeb Bush wearing those FEMA logo shirts after FL hurricanes hit, and I'm pretty sure that stands for Florida Emergency Management Agency.

I heard on a news report last night someone in the state of Mississippi alluding to FEMA and then they added "and MEMA, which is the state's agency".
 
The Adjutant General reports to the Governor.

I wonder if the Louisiana AG feels as strongly as the Connecticutt AG about not taking control from the Governor cuz this is what he said at a congressional hearing:

MAJOR GENERAL WILLIAM A. CUGNO
ADJUTANT GENERAL, CONNECTICUT
BEFORE
THE HOUSE GOVERNMENT REFORM
SUBCOMMITTEE ON
NATIONAL SECURITY, VETERANS AFFAIRS,
AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
FIRST SESSION, 107TH CONGRESS

ON
COMBATING TERRORISM:
FEDERAL RESPONSE TO A BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS ATTACK
JULY 23, 2001

I can’t emphasize enough the realities of what occurs in a state during emergencies. I know those who
advocate a strong federal role often underestimate these realities. The Governor has the ultimate
responsibility to restore normalcy to his or her citizens and should to the greatest extent resist
relinquishing control
.
Dark-Winter proponents of a strong federal role clearly demonstrated a lack of
understanding of statehood and political realities. Federal agencies must understand that the victims of
Dark Winter, and the victims of any state emergency for that matter, trust their local and state
governments for relief -- relief delivered by trusted neighbors, first responders and state Guardsmen -- as
they have in past emergencies. When a strong state chain of command and control is maintained and
federal assets are integrated as needed, unnecessary federalization of the National Guard is avoided. The
Governor maintains control.

Federalizing the National Guard would raise legal issues in respect to the Dark-Winter operation. The
ability of the federal government to use the National Guard is limited by the Militia Clause of the
Constitution Clause.[1] The Militia Clause provides for the calling forth of the Militia to execute the
Laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions. Congress empowered the President, as
the Commander in Chief, to call forth the Militia.[2] The law, however, constrains the President in the
federal use of the National Guard, limiting the use to when the President is unable to execute the federal
law with regular forces.[3]
The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of any part of the Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marines,
including their reserve components, as a posse comitatus (“armed force”) or otherwise to execute the
laws, except as authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress. Congress has created a number of
statutory exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act, which fall into four major categories: (1) insurrections
and civil disturbances, [4] (2) counterdrug operations, [5] (3) disaster relief, [6] (4) counter-terrorism and
weapons of mass destruction.[7] It is important to note that the legal authority to use federal forces in the
context of a Dark-Winter operation does exist. Federal officials, however, would first be required to
jointly make numerous determinations before using federal soldiers.[8]

Federalization would effectively restructure the chain of command. While under state
control, the chain of command remains exclusively with the state, ends with the Governor, and The
Adjutant General, regardless of service component, is the commander of the state’s entire Army and Air
National Guard. Federalization would replace the Governor, The Adjutant General and the State Area
Command with a federal Army chain of command. This changing of command would create additional
logistics and communications problems, as well as consume valuable time.

The major effect of federalizing is the removal of state control. State control is vital to operations within
a state. The vitality arises from the trust, a unique aspect of mission efficiency, developed between state
officials through their regular governmental functions, activities and exercises. Moreover, the Governor
has more flexibility in the use of National Guard forces in emergency situations than federal
commanders, who are constrained by federal law while conducting military/civil operations within the
United States.

When dealing with and training for domestic emergencies a few points must be kept in mind.
· The Governor is in charge.
· We must channel adequate federal resources to our state and local first responders.
· State agencies possess unique skills and assets, which must be included the response plans.
· Future exercises, to be credible, should always include the National Guard, State and municipal
agencies.


I added the emphasis of bold and underline.
 
The DHS Transition


What is the Mission of the New Department of Homeland Security?

The many men and women who daily protect our borders and secure our country are committed to the safety of our homeland. The new Department will help them do their jobs better with increased communication, coordination and resources. Specifically, the new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) will have three primary missions:

Prevent terrorist attacks within the United States,
Reduce America's vulnerability to terrorism, and
Minimize the damage from potential attacks and natural disasters.


In order to accomplish these three goals the new Department will focus on creating the new capabilities discussed in the July 2002 National Strategy for Homeland Security. The Strategy points out that today no one single government agency has homeland security as its primary mission. In fact, responsibilities for homeland security are dispersed among more than 100 different government organizations. America needs a single, unified homeland security structure that will improve protection against today's threats and be flexible enough to help meet the unknown threats of the future.

The new Department of Homeland Security, the most significant transformation of the U.S. government in over a half-century, will transform and realign the current confusing patchwork of government activities into a single department. DHS will give state and local officials one primary contact instead of many, an important advantage when it comes to matters related to training, equipment, planning, exercises and other critical homeland security needs. It will manage federal grant programs for enhancing the preparedness of firefighters, police, and emergency medical personnel. DHS will also set standards for state and local preparedness activities and equipment.
 
well it's certainly becoming more and more evident that those people elected into state and local offices do not read their own state constitutions or know their emergency policies and procedures.
 
Homeland Security leverages resources within federal, state, and local governments, coordinating the transition of multiple agencies and programs into a single, integrated agency focused on protecting the American people and their homeland. More than 87,000 different governmental jurisdictions at the federal, state, and local level have homeland security responsibilities. The comprehensive national strategy seeks to develop a complementary system connecting all levels of government without duplicating effort. Homeland Security is truly a “national mission”.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=13
 
tybee204 said:
The DHS Transition


What is the Mission of the New Department of Homeland Security?

The many men and women who daily protect our borders and secure our country are committed to the safety of our homeland. The new Department will help them do their jobs better with increased communication, coordination and resources. Specifically, the new Department of Homeland Security (DHS) will have three primary missions:

Prevent terrorist attacks within the United States,
Reduce America's vulnerability to terrorism, and
Minimize the damage from potential attacks and natural disasters.


In order to accomplish these three goals the new Department will focus on creating the new capabilities discussed in the July 2002 National Strategy for Homeland Security. The Strategy points out that today no one single government agency has homeland security as its primary mission. In fact, responsibilities for homeland security are dispersed among more than 100 different government organizations. America needs a single, unified homeland security structure that will improve protection against today's threats and be flexible enough to help meet the unknown threats of the future.

The new Department of Homeland Security, the most significant transformation of the U.S. government in over a half-century, will transform and realign the current confusing patchwork of government activities into a single department. DHS will give state and local officials one primary contact instead of many, an important advantage when it comes to matters related to training, equipment, planning, exercises and other critical homeland security needs. It will manage federal grant programs for enhancing the preparedness of firefighters, police, and emergency medical personnel. DHS will also set standards for state and local preparedness activities and equipment.
this is very informative but i wouldn't be surprised if the LA. state department of homeland security didn't even contact the one primary contact person....
 
less0305 said:
There was a pretty good discussion on this topic in that "Would this have happened anywhere other than N.O." or whatever it's called.
Thank you less, yes I know it was discussed elsewhere......I was just responding to a fellow poster!
 
Makes you wonder if anyone knows at what point we are in the transition.

Is Terry Ebbert the state homeland director? I've been looking for information on him (well, weeding through a lot of info about). I remember him irate about FEMA not being there. I'm looking for some reference to him and the Red Cross, but I can't find it.
 
Tom'sGirl said:
Thank you less, yes I know it was discussed elsewhere......I was just responding to a fellow poster!

Oh, just didn't know if you'd seen it. Sorry.
 
Dara said:
Makes you wonder if anyone knows at what point we are in the transition.

Is Terry Ebbert the state homeland director? I've been looking for information on him (well, weeding through a lot of info about). I remember him irate about FEMA not being there. I'm looking for some reference to him and the Red Cross, but I can't find it.
What happened to Tom Ridge?:waitasec:
 
Linda7NJ said:
What happened to Tom Ridge?:waitasec:


I think you haven't been following the news? He's LONG gone!
 
less0305 said:
Oh, just didn't know if you'd seen it. Sorry.
Oh heck, don't be sorry, it was sweet of you to mention the other thread.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Nope, I had no idea! What happened to him?


He resigned as chief of the Federal Dept of Homeland Security, almost a year ago.
 
Linda7NJ said:
Nope, I had no idea! What happened to him?
Ridge steps down as Homeland Security chief

Former Pennsylvania governor was first to oversee department

Thursday, December 2, 2004 Posted: 10:50 AM EST (1550 GMT)



CNN) -- Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge resigned Tuesday, but he will remain in the post until February 1 unless a successor is confirmed sooner.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/30/ridge/
 
This is too much


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5280340-117540,00.html

Storm water for sale on eBay

David Teather in New York
Thursday September 8, 2005

Guardian

The chance to make a quick buck from Hurricane Katrina has not escaped some, with items on eBay including a "rain-soaked newspaper" delivered on the day the storm hit the American south, jars of rainwater and a message in a bottle that supposedly led to the rescue of several families.
Among other items on sale on eBay yesterday was a scribbling that a Texan "artist" claims he drew after waking from a dream 10 days before the storm, which uncannily resembles satellite pictures of Katrina. One man, claiming to be a survivor of the catastrophe, is offering the rights to his story, starting at $12,500 (£6,800).
 

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