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Sorry, but I love you calling him just bridge troll. He is inhuman and doesn't deserve to have a non-judgemental label like bridge guy.

Bridge Troll
 
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This is a must-read, particularly for those who genuinely struggled with the Franks motions and believed he was being accused wrongly, imprisoned unfairly, treated unconstiitutionally.

It's a very straightforward response and in only a third of the way through it.

For all the noise of the Franks motions, where there wasn't even cause, his attorneys did not raise many of the objections at trial that they're trying to now. There's no basis for appeal on new grounds.

I actually hope this is a calming document and it gives me great comfort for the appellate response down the road.

Despite the circus, RA had a fair trial and was found guilty based on admissible evidence alone.

It is my hope that this case will NOT become a harbinger of the new way to do defense. It's unbecoming. It is an affront to justice. It is beneath officers of the court. Stirring up popular sentiment, publicly disparaging the judge while having full knowledge that your Franks motions don't have any legimitate weight, this just shouldn't be how we do law.

While RA was entitled to a defense, he was never entitled to any or entitled defense. A SODDI defense has to meet certain requirements. Alternate theories, while interesting, don't come before the jury if they're built on inadmissable evidences, unsupported foundations.

I think it's fair to say to these defense attorneys, do better.

As much as I despise RA, he would have been far better served by a level defense.

The State's response provides the legal bases that canceled out the Defense's unfounded, unsubstantiated and sometimes untrue representations.

They succeeded in stirring great angst in real people who believed them, who believed attorneys wouldn't make misrepresentations, and suffered at the thought of an innocent man, held in solitary, in inhumane conditions.

We can put that to bed.

RA was alive to face a jury of his peers, a jury who was provided only admissible evidence, determined the facts and deliberate based on weight given, finding RA guilty of the crimes with which he was charged.

JMO
 
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the state's brief is very comprehensive, well articulated and argued. Thanks for sharing the link.
 
  • #1,485
What a thorough, concise, well documented and referenced compilation of legal writing this Response from the State is.

I am thrilled they took the extra time to present something so well put together. There is no way, IMO, that a person could read the facts of this case and surmise that it was ANY OTHER person than RA.

I hope beyond hope the State's Response puts his appeal to rest and RA can get back to his depraved mind in his limited hiding hole and disappear until they carry him out in a pine box. I know that might sound cruel to some, it is nothing compared to what he inflicted on Abbigal Williams and Liberty German. May they now and forever Rest In Peace knowing this monster will never have the opportunity to harm another child.

Please let Libby and Abby's families and loved ones also get the opportunity to finally move forward without worry and begin their healing process.

#Abby&LibbyRIP

JMO

JMO
 
  • #1,486
I agree with what everybody here has said.
This response is SOLID!
It towers above anything RA’s trial clowns or apologists have ever said. Turns out RA’s appeals attorneys are into fantasy as well.
It is shocking how many points are made in this response that deal directly with how pathetic the Unethical Triad were at trial. Things that legally cannot be brought up on appeal because his attorneys never objected to something. But inspite of that the State goes on to detail why, even if the point could be legally brought up, it wouldn’t matter.
It’s brilliant.
 
  • #1,487
This is a must-read, particularly for those who genuinely struggled with the Franks motions and believed he was being accused wrongly, imprisoned unfairly, treated unconstiitutionally.

It's a very straightforward response and in only a third of the way through it.

For all the noise of the Franks motions, where there wasn't even cause, his attorneys did not raise many of the objections at trial that they're trying to now. There's no basis for appeal on new grounds.

I actually hope this is a calming document and it gives me great comfort for the appellate response down the road.

Despite the circus, RA had a fair trial and was found guilty based on admissible evidence alone.

It is my hope that this case will NOT become a harbinger of the new way to do defense. It's unbecoming. It is an affront to justice. It is beneath officers of the court. Stirring up popular sentiment, publicly disparaging the judge while having full knowledge that your Franks motions don't have any legimitate weight, this just shouldn't be how we do law.

While RA was entitled to a defense, he was never entitled to any or entitled defense. A SODDI defense has to meet certain requirements. Alternate theories, while interesting, don't come before the jury if they're built on inadmissable evidences, unsupported foundations.

I think it's fair to say to these defense attorneys, do better.

As much as I despise RA, he would have been far better served by a level defense.

The State's response provides the legal bases that canceled out the Defense's unfounded, unsubstantiated and sometimes untrue representations.

They succeeded in stirring great angst in real people who believed them, who believed attorneys wouldn't make misrepresentations, and suffered at the thought of an innocent man, held in solitary, in inhumane conditions.

We can put that to bed.

RA was alive to face a jury of his peers, a jury who was provided only admissible evidence, determined the facts and deliberate based on weight given, finding RA guilty of the crimes with which he was charged.

JMO
I find it a little humorous that the state pointed out several instances where the trial defense attorneys failed to challenge certain things properly, if at all as well as failed to preserve certain topics properly for appeal. Andy was an absolute detriment to the defense (with hindsight being 20/20) but, by God, the Odinism & AODDI (any other dude did it) garbage burns white hot for many to this day.

It was also a good shot at the appellate attorneys to point out where they’ve mistaken case law and/or trial procedures/rules - such as their mistake thinking something which is allowed to be appealed for civil cases is not allowed for criminal. Makes them appear quite amateur-ish to me & I’m a legal moron for lack of better words.

The best part, IMO, is the state (my summary) just destroying the Franks memo by explaining (yet again) that the trial defense attorneys & now the appellate attorneys have continually failed to produce a single shred of evidence beyond hearsay that a Franks hearing was required. Just claiming it isn’t good enough in court - that’s Lawyering 101. I wish they would have addressed the other unmentionables which came out of Click’s report just for good measure & thoroughness.

What is sad to me is for this to be an anti-bridge troll conspiracy, the FBI, ISP, all LE in Carroll County, the county prosecutor, a county judge, the DOC & a prison board, an appointed special judge from Allen County (Ft. Wayne) & now the state AG & 2 state deputy AGs must all be in collusion in order for this to be a railroading. People will believe THAT before they believe all these aforementioned people got it mostly right. Sure, it was a bungled mess for half a decade but it certainly wasn’t a conspiracy - at all.

Don’t be so quick to blame just the attorneys for the misinformation. There were influencers on YT, other "lawyers" on social media & even some mainstream television programming which hitched their wagons to that clown car. Show producers using the access to their platform to spread lies - falsely representing themselves as "reporters" or people seeking the truth. Clicks & money was the endgame - at the expense of 2 girls & their families.

Yes, it can all be put to bed - in the same Westville sheets soiled by the now Sooner bridge troll.

JMO
 
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I agree with what everybody here has said.
This response is SOLID!
It towers above anything RA’s trial clowns or apologists have ever said. Turns out RA’s appeals attorneys are into fantasy as well.
It is shocking how many points are made in this response that deal directly with how pathetic the Unethical Triad were at trial. Things that legally cannot be brought up on appeal because his attorneys never objected to something. But inspite of that the State goes on to detail why, even if the point could be legally brought up, it wouldn’t matter.
It’s brilliant.
Look at how people drive these days - legally. Those are the same people who to this day think the answers proving a troll innocent lies within the suppressed cell phone tower data. The troll said he had his phone on the trails. Trolls never, ever lie, even though the wife of a particular troll caught him red handed in a lie on tape for the world to see. This particular moron (me) even understands that the accuracy of the tower data wasn’t accurate enough to be used reasonably in a criminal case without introducing potential confusion to a jury. NM explained it in his motion to suppress yet today there are whispers about it elsewhere YEARS after the fact.

Too many lifeguards off duty near the gene pools these days. Idiocracy has come true.

JMO
 
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What is sad to me is for this to be an anti-bridge troll conspiracy, the FBI, ISP, all LE in Carroll County, the county prosecutor, a county judge, the DOC & a prison board, an appointed special judge from Allen County (Ft. Wayne) & now the state AG & 2 state deputy AGs must all be in collusion in order for this to be a railroading. People will believe THAT before they believe all these aforementioned people got it mostly right. Sure, it was a bungled mess for half a decade but it certainly wasn’t a conspiracy - at all.

Don’t be so quick to blame just the attorneys for the misinformation. There were influencers on YT, other "lawyers" on social media & even some mainstream television programming which hitched their wagons to that clown car. Show producers using the access to their platform to spread lies - falsely representing themselves as "reporters" or people seeking the truth. Clicks & money was the endgame - at the expense of 2 girls & their families.

JMO
SBM for focus

IMO as to your first focused paragraph it was human nature, as a society, there are those who would much prefer to believe in some shadowy evil group of Odinists executing ritual murders than a lone, unremarkable, little man with anger issues could be responsible. I think it's because it is easier for some to stomach an evil group did this than a guy who could easily blend into their very own neighborhoods.

as to your second focused paragraph, another, more ugly, piece of human nature, the one that seeks to profit from pain, was at play. Odinists and some imagined conspiracy by LE to cover for them sells much better than a small angry unremarkable guy who could be your neighbor. So it served those profiteers to further the ridiculous theory rather than accept that Richard Allen ie. bridge guy, and he alone committed this crime.
 
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State’s response pages 41 and 42:

“Allen placed himself on the trail passing the

girls and on the High Bridge platform at the time Blair saw a man there, and those

witnesses identified Bridge Guy as the man they encountered—that creates a

reasonable basis to believe Allen was Bridge Guy.”



As we have all said repeatedly….he put himself on the bridge.
As we have all repeatedly said…RA=BG=the killer
 
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SBM for focus

IMO as to your first focused paragraph it was human nature, as a society, there are those who would much prefer to believe in some shadowy evil group of Odinists executing ritual murders than a lone, unremarkable, little man with anger issues could be responsible. I think it's because it is easier for some to stomach an evil group did this than a guy who could easily blend into their very own neighborhoods.

as to your second focused paragraph, another, more ugly, piece of human nature, the one who seeks to profit from pain, was at play. Odinists and some imagined conspiracy by LE to cover for them sells much better than a small angry unremarkable guy who could be your neighbor. So it served those profiteers to further the ridiculous theory rather than accept that Richard Allen ie. bridge guy, and he alone committed this crime.
I understand what you point out & have for quite some time. It doesn’t make it any easier for me to accept this is the way of the world. If that’s truly the case, many have a moral compass so lacking that they’d be hard pressed to find their front yards.

MOO
 
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I understand what you point out & have for quite some time. It doesn’t make it any easier for me to accept this is the way of the world. If that’s truly the case, many have a moral compass so lacking that they’d be hard pressed to find their front yards.

MOO
sorry wasn't trying to impart wisdom or come off like that. Most of us who follow cases know well the nature of the beast that is SM and the effects, bad and good, it has had on true crime and missing persons cases. Was just bouncing off yours and ruminating.
 
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sorry wasn't trying to impart wisdom or come off like that. Most of us who follow cases know well the nature of the beast that is SM and the effects, bad and good, it has had on true crime and missing persons cases. Was just bouncing off yours and ruminating.
No, no, I didn’t take it as such. Apologies for any confusion my response may have given you. I was just being brief but transparent & likely came across more blunt than I intended. I’m just disappointed that this is where many people are as a whole - they preach inclusivity & shame anyone who has strict or high morality which may contradict certain aspects for personal beliefs or reasons but that sort of selfishness is to be accepted. Utter hypocrites.

MOO
 
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Don’t be so quick to blame just the attorneys for the misinformation. There were influencers on YT, other "lawyers" on social media & even some mainstream television programming which hitched their wagons to that clown car. Show producers using the access to their platform to spread lies - falsely representing themselves as "reporters" or people seeking the truth. Clicks & money was the endgame - at the expense of 2 girls & their families.

RSBM

This is why I say no one should take law tube seriously.
 
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RSBM

This is why I say no one should take law tube seriously.
Agree. I never have taken them seriously or listened t ok them.
Those of us who have the ability to think for ourselves never needed to.
 

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