LA - Vehicle drives through New Year's crowd - Multiple fatalities reported - Bourbon Street New Orleans - January 1 2025

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New Year's is not an obscure day in the calendar, either. It makes sense that someone hoping for visibility would do something around that day, even that multiple people would do this.
Yeah, but it's never happened before on any day, plus didn't they both rent from Turo? In a country of how many former military? it's a surprising coincidence if nothing else.
 
Security barriers in New Orleans that were intended to protect pedestrians from vehicles but at times malfunctioned were removed for replacement before an attacker drove a pickup truck into a crowd along Bourbon Street on Wednesday morning, killing at least 15 people and injuring dozens more.


1/2/2025
 
Does anyone else find it statistically improbable that Jabbar and the Vegas car bomber worked at the same air base and weren’t linked? I can’t imagine this is common…disturbing if statistically it is so common random coincidence occurs.
Not at all. It's like saying "They both ate at McDonald's" Or if USAF it's like saying they were "Both at Lackland". (Heaven help us because everyone in the USAF has been at Lackland)

20% of the Army has basic training at Ft Bragg. The odds of being stationed at Ft Bragg increase with time in the Army. The odds of being stationed at Ft Bragg at one time or another are quite high.
 
Yeah, but it's never happened before on any day, plus didn't they both rent from Turo? In a country of how many former military? it's a surprising coincidence if nothing else.
Coincidences happen.

Umpyfifteen murderers shop for stuff to help commit and cover up their crimes at Walmart. It doesn't mean they were all in a group chat deciding to do that beforehand.

Former and current military have access to and confidence with guns and explosives.

Hiring a car means you're not driving your own vehicle into what you know is going to be a crime. It's a step removed from your own identity. Any highway patrol or camera running the plate is going to come up with the owner's details, not yours. So if anything made anyone suspicious in the prelude, they're going to be looking for your licence plate, not the hire car's.

MOO
 
Attorneys know that accountability is needed to protect people in the future with proper reinforcements for feeling safe.

The fact that they were having a major event without proper safety guards in place says alot about their leadership. The FQ will be wild and crazy as usual after the game so they know what to expect.

I’m still bothered about the game being held today. “The show must go on” is not what the victims families want to hear. Their world as they knew it has stopped.

This is so negligent. There may be friends and family still in the hotels lining Bourbon Street. How are they going to feel hearing the brass band in celebration of reopening the area??

They could have gone through with the game but keep the areas of the carnage respectively closed.

It’s about the dollars, not the victims and their families.
I could not agree with you more! Have the game but keep Bourbon Street closed out of respect for the innocent lives lost. I had a flash back to the mass killing at Mother Emanuel AME Church in Charleston several years ago and just imagined if they had opened the church the next day with business as usual. This is too disrespectful!! All JMO
 
What are the thoughts of a class action suit against New Orleans for negligence with security? Have a feeling there are some hard hitting attorney's sitting by the phone. All JMO
There is no stated or implied security in the French Quarter, New Orleans, or any other public place. Am I wrong?

Not to mention as designed the bollards block the street not the sidewalk which is what the guy drove up on to get around the police car
 
Not at all. It's like saying "They both ate at McDonald's" Or if USAF it's like saying they were "Both at Lackland". (Heaven help us because everyone in the USAF has been at Lackland)

20% of the Army has basic training at Ft Bragg. The odds of being stationed at Ft Bragg increase with time in the Army. The odds of being stationed at Ft Bragg at one time or another are quite high.
Thank you and others for pointing this out, it’s good to get some context!
 
Vehicle ramming attacks started in Israel because, "the security barrier is fairly effective, which makes it hard to get bombs into the country." In 2010, Inspire, the online English-language magazine produced by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, urged Mujahideen to choose "pedestrian only" locations and make sure to gain speed before ramming their vehicles into the crowd in order to "achieve maximum carnage".

Vehicle attacks can be carried out by lone-wolf terrorists who are inspired by an ideology but who are not working within a specific political movement or group. "Stray dogs", rather than lone wolves, characterizing them as "misfits" who are "moved from seething anger to spontaneous deadly action" by exposure to Islamist propaganda. A 2014 propaganda video by ISIL encouraged French sympathizers to use cars to run down civilians.

The older model where members of groups like al-Qaeda would "plan and train together before going to carry out an attack, became defunct around 2005", due to increased surveillance by Western security agencies.


They arguably go back further. Two of the earliest ones listed in Wikipedia occurred in the Soviet bloc in the 1970s, in 1973 Czechoslovakia and 1974 Romania.



A ramming attack was viewed by the perpetrators as the best way to ensure mass casualties.

Wikipedia also cites a 1935 political clash in Mexico, where cars rammed cavalry.

 
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Coincidences happen.

Umpyfifteen murderers shop for stuff to help commit and cover up their crimes at Walmart. It doesn't mean they were all in a group chat deciding to do that beforehand.

Former and current military have access to and confidence with guns and explosives.

Hiring a car means you're not driving your own vehicle into what you know is going to be a crime. It's a step removed from your own identity. Any highway patrol or camera running the plate is going to come up with the owner's details, not yours. So if anything made anyone suspicious in the prelude, they're going to be looking for your licence plate, not the hire car's.

MOO
I didn't say suggest or infer coincidences don't happen.

As for the rentals doing so from the same company? and commit terroristic acts on the same day? it's not impossible obviously but it isn't the norm ergo it's still an amazing coincidence STATISTICALLY
 
I didn't say suggest or infer coincidences don't happen.

As for the rentals doing so from the same company? and commit terroristic acts on the same day? it's not impossible obviously but it isn't the norm ergo it's still an amazing coincidence STATISTICALLY
I think it makes more sense than them going into a traditional car rental company, with cameras and staff they'd have to interact with. Sounds like this app is hands off, with a code to access the car. Like an air bnb vs a traditional hotel or motel.

MOO
 
Louisiana AG wanted the game delayed until tomorrow but it is still scheduled for today.


Unfortunately, while football pales in comparison to the loss of human life, there is still a ton of money tied up in the College Football Playoff. If the Sugar Bowl were pushed to Friday, the CFP would have to consider moving the Orange Bowl back so that the winner didn't have such a short turnaround.

That would be particularly detrimental for Georgia, which last played in the SEC Championship on December 7. They would go from not playing a game in nearly a month to two games in six days.

What's already become a logistical nightmare will only become a bigger one by upsetting the schedule again.
So I guess 'the game must go on'. Personally, I think this is ridiculous. Aren't the bodies still lying on the street?
 
I hope they don't make any knee-jerk reactions about new barriers that fail to consider the need for crowd egress. Building code takes into consideration maximum occupancy of a space, numbers of exits, width of exits. They also have to think about people with disabilities navigating the space. If it is very narrow, it could be probably for wheelchair users.
There is no stated or implied security in the French Quarter, New Orleans, or any other public place. Am I wrong?

Not to mention as designed the bollards block the street not the sidewalk which is what the guy drove up on to get around the police car
Having the bollards implies the city acknowledged need for safety in that public area. Maybe that street was shut down for a few events each year? All over America, big cities to small towns temporarily shut down streets for parades, firework celebrations, block parties and such to protect gathered pedestrians. The most common risk being unaware drivers.
 
I have mixed feelings about holding the game today.
I know it's a big deal, major preparations and the expense, but personally I would have real difficulty being in the present and cheering for a team after the horrible events of the day before.
Ditto. I just wish they could have waited another couple of days.
Flip side: I hope the fans will carry their team, support their team and comfort one another via social interaction. Families, friends and neighbors may need motivation to step away from the news. I wish good luck for both teams. Go, fight, win! Notre Dame vs Georgia
 
I have mixed feelings about holding the game today.
I know it's a big deal, major preparations and the expense, but personally I would have real difficulty being in the present and cheering for a team after the horrible events of the day before.
Yes, but the young players on these teams have worked very hard to be able to participate in this game. They are innocents and deserve to have their moments.
 
I do feel for LE sometimes - the public want both transparency but also consistency in times of crisis and what they have to work on in the first few hours isn’t necessarily the info they have available after a day with password protected phones and laptops so information will change.

I feel like until they had ruled out other perpetrators they had to say there were other suspects - as there were - and they were not in custody etc, then as they’ve reviewed everything those folk on the CCTv have been cleared.

I remember a family friend who helped work on the public advice for Covid 19 that came from government updates and they were often slow to give the latest information to quadruple check lest they said one thing one day and another the next, leading to loss of trust. A good example was how long it took to declare it airborne - of course the lag lost some trust anyway because to many it seemed pretty obvious it could be spread from coughing etc. MOO
 
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