Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #15

[Isabelle]

very troublesome.....that phone call could sound ominous

An article earlier in today's thread said Malaysian officials denied there was any phone call.

 

[aa9511]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-chinese-plane-spots-white-objects-live-updates

latest update, statement from families

Have they released the actual statement? All I saw were the tweets talking about it.

 

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But would auto-pilot move like that from one pre-set to another (if they were even pre-set at all)?

If someone had set it on autopilot South towards the Indian Ocean right at the turn, why woudn't it just go on that route?

I don't know where I read or heard this on the news, but I thought much earlier it was stated that would not have been a catastrophic preset. Anyone else? Besides, I think you are getting at the same thing I am going to say. Does setting that complex path with many turns make sense?

 

[dotr]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ll-made-to-Malaysia-pilot-before-take-off.htm
bbm

"Investigators are taking the new discovery seriously because when registering a pay-as-you-go SIM card in Malaysia, a passport number or identity must be given.

The fact that the particular number had been bought “very recently” under a woman’s name using a false identity has raised serious suspicions among investigators.

The revelation raises questions of possible ties between Captain Zaharie, 53, and terror groups who routinely use untraceable SIM cards"

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Jon Williams ‏@WilliamsJon 4m https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon

Malaysian Airlines to hold news conference at 12.30am ET following announcement by @NajibRazak that #MH370 feared lost in South Indian Ocean

eta

Jon Williams ‏@WilliamsJon 5m

Chairman of #MalaysiaAirlines & CEO both expected to address media at KL airport #MH370

Thanks for this information. I'm usually fftobed: before then, but maybe I'll try to stay awake for the presser.

 

[aa9511]

Please bear with me, just thinking aloud here.

-I'm trying to connect the fact that the military waypoints clearly showed the plane to be headed in the northwest direction, with the apparent fact that it ended up turning around after that last military radar contact, and going South. That would lead me to believe that whoever was piloting it at the time wanted people to think the plane went North.

-But it actually went South, in totally different direction. Seems very much like they didn't want anyone to find the plane, b/c they seemed to set investigators up to search in a north-ward direction, which would be completely opposite from where it actually went.

-I have to think, whoever took over the plane, did not know about these "satellite ping" issue. They did not know the engine was secretely sending handshakes to the satellite.

If we think about that, they did not know any arcs (north or south) could ever be drawn up. Sure seems to me like they did not think anyone would find the plane all the way down where they had pre-planned where it might end up. (or at least not for a VERY long time).

-If we did not have the arc evidence (satellite pings), probably no one would think to look all the way down there. Thus evidence of plane would not be found anytime soon. So did they want this so the black box wouldn't be found within 30 days?

-They didn't let it on auto=pilot north direction, b/c it woudl have crashed on land and thus people would have probably seen it and reported it, they would know exactly where it crashed.

-Set auto-pilot South direction, it would crash in remote part of ocean, no one probably see it.

BUT THEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS:

-How did they think the Indonesian radar wouldn't catch the plane passing ACROSS it?
-Why would they care whether plane crash was discovered soon or not? Only thing I can think of is black box do not want to be found within 30 days. They don't want black box found....but if black box only record last2 hours, and if all passengers were dead, there would be only silence on the black box (that is too sad to even write).
-What did the hijackers or whoever took over the plane do? Let's say they killed pilots and passengers - they must have killed themselves too before the plane actually crashed in the water.


JMO.

 

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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ll-made-to-Malaysia-pilot-before-take-off.htm
bbm

"Investigators are taking the new discovery seriously because when registering a pay-as-you-go SIM card in Malaysia, a passport number or identity must be given.

The fact that the particular number had been bought “very recently” under a woman’s name using a false identity has raised serious suspicions among investigators.

The revelation raises questions of possible ties between Captain Zaharie, 53, and terror groups who routinely use untraceable SIM cards"

Or he was being set-up because of his political affiliations. I really have to wonder what the likelihood is of Zaharie being involved with a terror group. Of course, the possibility exists that someone called him because they do not want the prevailing government to know who they are given their penchance for arresting people on false charges.

 

[JaimeSommers]

Or he was being set-up because of his political affiliations. I really have to wonder what the likelihood is of Zaharie being involved with a terror group. Of course, the possibility exists that someone called him because they do not want the prevailing government to know who they are given their penchance for arresting people on false charges.

BBM ... I've been wondering the same exact thing for two weeks.

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

Who didn't know this was coming? There is still no definitive answer and the Indian Ocean crash landing scenario was on tap when Malaysia kept repeating the need to search south. I wondered at the time why they were so persistent without proof.

It is plausible the airplane went down on autopilot (fits with my original theory of hypoxia event), but it is troubling there is not one shred of physical evidence. IF they are wrong and this aircraft did land somewhere...the true danger is they won't be looking for this plane anymore.

Lagging behind here, but I am thinking (hoping) that they do have physical evidence. I'm thinking that they needed to tell the families before they retrived the plane debris. The timing of the Chinese saying they spotted the debris, the ships all headed in that direction, the decision to tell the families now, all point to solid evidence for me, and I always try to keep in mind that there is a whole lotta information they don't release publicly.

MOO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Jon Williams ‏@WilliamsJon 4m https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon


Jon Williams ‏@WilliamsJon 5m

Chairman of #MalaysiaAirlines & CEO both expected to address media at KL airport #MH370

Malaysia Airlines has a Chairman/CEO???????????????????

hmmm... who are these people and why haven't they spoken before?

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/hq/en/corporate-info/leadership/senior-management-local.html

 

[Elley Mae]

After his announcement, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement demanding to see the analysis that led to Mr. Najib’s announcement.

“We have already asked that the Malaysian side go further in providing all the information and evidence used to reach this conclusion,” said the statement from Hong Lei, a spokesman for the ministry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?_r=0

 

[Holly G. Lightly]

I don't know where I read or heard this on the news, but I thought much earlier it was stated that would not have been a catastrophic preset. Anyone else? Besides, I think you are getting at the same thing I am going to say. Does setting that complex path with many turns make sense?

I just wonder how much of the information we got at the beginning, before the international community stepped in, was accurate.

 

[21merc7]

Have they released the actual statement? All I saw were the tweets talking about it.

Here is what I could find. Good that they can talk with a psychologist to help with the grieving (eventually), but I don't think that any barrier can be broken in the lifetime of learning to mistrust Malaysia. I am so sorry for them. Just cannot imagine the grief.

Statement:

18.28 The families gathered in Beijing have delivered a scathing denunciation of Malaysia Airlines and the Malaysian government, branding them "the real executioners" of the MH370 passengers:

"At 10pm on March 25, the Malaysian prime minister sent a statement to the families of MH370 passengers without any direct evidence that MH370 crashed in the south Indian ocean and no people survived.

"From March 8 when they announced that MH370 lost contact to today, 18 days have passed during which the Malaysian government and military constantly tried to delay, deceive the passengers' families and cheat the whole world.

"This shameless behaviour not only fooled and hurt the families of the 154 passengers but also misguided and delayed rescue actions, wasting a large quantity of human resources and materials and lost valuable time for the rescue effort.

"If the 154 passengers did lose their lives, Malaysia Airlines, the Malaysian government and military are the real executioners who killed them. We the families of those on board submit our strongest protest against them.

"We will take every possible means to pursue the unforgivable crimes and responsibility of all three."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10718181/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-live.html

 

[Elley Mae]

I am looking for an answer that I can't wrap my brain around. 6 hours is half a day, the earth rotates one turn in 24 hours. The earth would have turned 1/4 turn in the time that the plane was on a straight ? line of travel, iirc. Where would the plane have been heading for when it took that 6 hour straight ride/fly? For it to end up down in the middle of no where? idk jmo hope this makes sense.

 

[Isabelle]

Unsure how legit this is:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/miss...-pilot-zaharie-ahmad-shah-20140323-35buv.html

 

[21merc7]

Since I really know nothing at all about flying a plane, take this with a huge grain.

I "think" if a plane has lost control (no pilots to control, autopilot malfunction) I don't think it flies in a straight pattern.

 

[JaimeSommers]

I don't know where I read or heard this on the news, but I thought much earlier it was stated that would not have been a catastrophic preset. Anyone else? Besides, I think you are getting at the same thing I am going to say. Does setting that complex path with many turns make sense?

We're on the same wavelength, time. (I think!)

I cannot wrap my head around -- if there really were a terrorist on the plane -- why s/he would down it in that location. It seems ... please forgive me for this ... "anticlimactic" for a terrorist. I'm not an expert by any means, but I would think the plane would have been flown into a building or downed in a public area -- a spectacle. Even if not someone with official ties to a terrorist group, but unhappy with his/her government -- IMO, the person would want there to be no doubt about what they did and why.

My opinion only.

 

[MsFacetious]

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ll-made-to-Malaysia-pilot-before-take-off.htm
bbm

"Investigators are taking the new discovery seriously because when registering a pay-as-you-go SIM card in Malaysia, a passport number or identity must be given.

The fact that the particular number had been bought “very recently” under a woman’s name using a false identity has raised serious suspicions among investigators.

The revelation raises questions of possible ties between Captain Zaharie, 53, and terror groups who routinely use untraceable SIM cards"

Or maybe the woman is running from an abusive husband, so using a fake identity.
Or maybe somebody had just gotten a new phone and called a wrong number. :facepalm:
The conclusions people are jumping to because of this phone call are pretty out there. :seeya:

Remembering that those "deleted files" on his simulator also raised "serious suspicions" among investigators.
Guess what? The files were nothing suspicious once they were analyzed.
I suspect the phone call will be the same way. :twocents:

 

[Love Never Fails]

Or he was being set-up because of his political affiliations. I really have to wonder what the likelihood is of Zaharie being involved with a terror group. Of course, the possibility exists that someone called him because they do not want the prevailing government to know who they are given their penchance for arresting people on false charges.

My opinion isn't worth much but will we ever know the truth of what happened to that plane? I am very suspect right now. They have had many days to come up with this story. As of today, if they showed us pieces of wreckage, etc. I would still wonder if it was planted there. Have so many questions of the government framing the pilot. It would have been so easy for him to just take the plane down immediately. To think he would fly north, then south, under the radar, shadowing another plane, etc., just doesn't make any sense. Something else has to be going on. Must be others involved for other reasons, and I have no ideas as to what is going on. I do think someone knows and we will never find out.

 

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Unsure how legit this is:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/miss...-pilot-zaharie-ahmad-shah-20140323-35buv.html

What I said before

However political activists in Malaysia also sometimes use SIM cards bought with fake identities if they fear that their phone calls may be bugged, the newspaper claimed. Captain Zaharie is an active member of Anwar Ibrahim's Parti Keadilan Rakyat (People's Justice Party).