GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen guilty* #4

[Sundog]

I'm surprised that the prosecution didn't call their own expert witness to refute the defense's expert witness. Do you think that will happen next week?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I'm surprised that the prosecution didn't call their own expert witness to refute the defense's expert witness. Do you think that will happen next week?

I wondered the same thing. Maybe the prosecution will call rebuttal witness/es next week. That said, I'm not familiar with the machinations of a Miller hearing, so I don't know if there is an opportunity for rebuttal.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Prosecutors continue push for life sentence without parole for Oxford shooter in Miller hearing

The prosecution and defense on Friday continued to argue for and against a life prison sentence without parole, respectively, for the Oxford high school shooter on day two of his mandatory Miller hearing.

www.clickondetroit.com

PONTIAC, Mich. – The prosecution and defense on Friday continued to argue for and against a life prison sentence without parole, respectively, for the Oxford high school shooter on day two of his mandatory Miller hearing.

The pre-sentencing hearing is a requirement stemming from a 2012 Supreme Court ruling that orders courts to consider minors differently than adults when they’re facing a sentence of life in prison without parole. The Oxford shooter has been convicted of 24 felonies, some of which carry mandatory life sentences without the possibility for parole.

Since Thursday, July 27, both sides have presented witness testimony and new and familiar evidence to the judge, who will ultimately decide how to sentence the now-17-year-old shooter. The hearing has not concluded, and will resume on Tuesday, July 31.

For now, let’s take a look at where things stand...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Students' emotional recounts spar with experts' insights on Oxford shooter's mental health

The prosecution presented eyewitnesses to the November 2021 shooting while Ethan Crumbley's lawyers presented experts who spoke on his mental health.

www.detroitnews.com

...The shooter's defense team began its case Friday, presenting evidence that he struggled with depression and paranoid thoughts and heard voices in his head but did not receive the help he said he needed from his parents. The defense is arguing that mitigating factors, such as the shooter's age, his family and home environment, the circumstances of the crime and the possibility of rehabilitation, make a life without parole sentence disproportionate.

The teen's attorneys, Paulette Loftin and Amy Hopp, introduced three witnesses: His psychiatrist, Fariha Qadir; University of Michigan psychiatry and pediatrics professor Daniel Keating; and Dr. Kenneth Romanowski, who is an expert in corrections and juvenile offenders.

They also cross-examined prosecutor witness Oakland County Detective Edward Wagrowski, who began his testimony Thursday but did not finish. Loftin questioned Wagrowski about several Google searches the teen did in the weeks and months before the shooting, asking questions about depression, anxiety and being a sociopath. She also detailed text messages he sent a friend, detailing worries about seeing things and hearing things, along with struggles with his parents...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford hearing set to resume Tuesday to decide if shooter should get life in prison

The hearing to determine whether the Oxford shooter is sentenced to life without parole in prison or a term of years is set to resume Tuesday.

www.detroitnews.com

The third day of the hearing to determine whether the Oxford High School shooter is sentenced to life without parole in prison or a term of years is scheduled to begin Tuesday morning, when his lawyers will resume arguing for him to get a chance at parole.

Ethan Crumbley's attorneys began presenting their case Friday afternoon for why the teen should be sentenced to a term of years in prison — which would be no less than 25 to 40 years at a minimum and no more than 60 at a maximum — after an emotional morning when prosecutors brought up two students who witnessed the shootings and an assistant principal who tried to save 16-year-old Tate Myre. Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald's office has argued that the shooter's behavior was so egregious that he should be incarcerated for life...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford shooter broke down after killings: 'I'm sorry. Please, God'

At times, Ethan Crumbley was incoherent in video clips. But at other times asked: "Why didn’t you save her?"; "Why didn’t you stop it?"

www.detroitnews.com

Pontiac — The third day of a hearing to determine whether a teen accused of fatally shooting four classmates in 2021 and injuring multiple others should be sentenced to life without parole or a term of years in prison resumed Tuesday morning with an expert for the defense describing him as a "feral" child who "lost track of reality."

Colin King, a licensed psychologist who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, said Ethan Crumbley faced isolation and neglect before the Nov. 30, 2021 shooting. He testified that based on his meetings with the shooter and reviewing the teen's text messages, it appeared he never got help for mental health issues.

“When I interviewed Ethan and looked at his profile, at his high level of isolation, lack of parental support, lack of guidance, lack of resources … psychologically and socially he can be considered a feral child,” said King during testimony Tuesday in Oakland Circuit Court...

 

[Megnut]

Oxford shooter broke down after killings: 'I'm sorry. Please, God'

At times, Ethan Crumbley was incoherent in video clips. But at other times asked: "Why didn’t you save her?"; "Why didn’t you stop it?"

www.detroitnews.com

Pontiac — The third day of a hearing to determine whether a teen accused of fatally shooting four classmates in 2021 and injuring multiple others should be sentenced to life without parole or a term of years in prison resumed Tuesday morning with an expert for the defense describing him as a "feral" child who "lost track of reality."

Colin King, a licensed psychologist who is an expert in traumatic brain injury, said Ethan Crumbley faced isolation and neglect before the Nov. 30, 2021 shooting. He testified that based on his meetings with the shooter and reviewing the teen's text messages, it appeared he never got help for mental health issues.

“When I interviewed Ethan and looked at his profile, at his high level of isolation, lack of parental support, lack of guidance, lack of resources … psychologically and socially he can be considered a feral child,” said King during testimony Tuesday in Oakland Circuit Court...

Feral child.

Like he was raised by wolves.

Except that wolves do rear their young. They care for them, protect them, equip them to become good adult wolves.

They have him access to a deadly weapon.

I suggest that, in many ways, they're feral.

I bet they aren't laughing now.

JMO

 

[Gardenista]

This link shows the video of Ethan and it is wild. You'll need to scroll back a few minutes to see it from the beginning

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[BetteDavisEyes]

^ That was absolutely terrifying to watch I was a little late tuning in this morning but will watch for the rest of the day.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

This link shows the video of Ethan

How graphic is the video? Is it traumatizing to watch?

 

[Tortoise]

How graphic is the video? Is it traumatizing to watch?

If it's the part I watched I would say it's distressing but not traumatizing. I saw video of EC at the prison having a psychotic episode, in which he was strapped to a chair with his head completely encased inside a bag of some description, at one point. I'm presuming it was to stop him from banging his head against a wall, but that's just a guess. I wondered if he could breathe even.

 

[IAMWAN]

If it's the part I watched I would say it's distressing but not traumatizing. I saw video of EC at the prison having a psychotic episode, in which he was strapped to a chair with his head completely encased inside a bag of some description, at one point. I'm presuming it was to stop him from banging his head against a wall, but that's just a guess. I wondered if he could breathe even.

They referred to it later as a spit hood. ETA: According to a quick Google search, it allows the person to breath, but does not allow them to spit at or bite people.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Oh, I thought it would be of the school.

And why was it released publically? Is it somehow supposed to be evidence of his mental state at the time of his crimes?

 

[IAMWAN]

Oh, I thought it would be of the school.

And why was it released publically? Is it somehow supposed to be evidence of his mental state at the time of his crimes?

IANAL but IMO, the purpose of the video (in the defense's mind) would be to provide evidence of his mental illness/psychosis that was untreated due to the neglect from his parents.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

How graphic is the video? Is it traumatizing to watch?

Not traumatizing, but I was uncomfortable watching the video which I viewed as it was being shown in court.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford shooter broke down after killings: 'I'm sorry. Please, God'

At times, Ethan Crumbley was incoherent in video clips. But at other times asked: "Why didn’t you save her?"; "Why didn’t you stop it?"

www.detroitnews.com

Pontiac — Videos shown by defense attorneys in a court hearing Tuesday showed the teen accused of fatally shooting four classmates in 2021 and injuring multiple others in the midst of breakdowns in the Oakland County jail, asking “why didn’t you save her?” “why didn’t you stop it, you let it happen,” “I’m sorry, I’m sorry please God,” and “you could’ve stopped it God but you didn’t stop it.”

The hearing, now in its third day, will determine whether the shooter, who is a juvenile, should be sentenced to life without parole or a term of years in prison. It resumed Tuesday morning with an expert for the defense describing him as a "feral" child who "lost track of reality."...

 

[ChatteringBirds]

How long after he was arrested was it filmed?

 

[IAMWAN]

How long after he was arrested was it filmed?

I don't believe they provided information about when the video was recorded. They did clarify that all 5 of the body cam clips were from the same incident, not separate incidents.

 

[Sundog]

I watched the videos, but don't remember if they gave the dates. The defense produced the video which shows clips of jail video of EC's cell and episodles of EC having psychotic events or panice attacks/breaks with reality (per the psychologist on the stand when the defense showed the video and discussed with expert witness).

Edited

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Oxford school shooter was a 'feral child' who was abandoned by his parents, expert testifies

A psychologist, Colin King, said the shooter was experiencing psychosis, a break from reality. He later predicted that the boy “absolutely” can be rehabilitated.

www.nbcnews.com

PONTIAC, Mich. — A teenager who killed four students at his Michigan high school in 2021 was like a “feral child,” deeply neglected by his parents during crucial years and mentally ill, a psychologist testified Tuesday at a hearing to determine if the mass shooter will get a life prison sentence.

Ethan Crumbley’s lawyers also played disturbing videos from jail showing the 17-year-old in deep distress as deputies restrained him while he wailed. In one incident, his head is completely covered with a hood. No dates were disclosed.

“Why didn’t you stop it? I’m sorry. ... Stop it, God, why?” he said.

A psychologist, Colin King, said the shooter was experiencing psychosis, a break from reality. He later predicted that the boy “absolutely” can be rehabilitated...