AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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they may have some type of mental health disorder but I don’t think this is all the result of active psychosis, if that’s what you mean. It’s too well thought out and not erratic enough.
I've just jumped on for a quick check in. Can someone tell me why there's discussion of mental health disorder and schizophrenia? Is this in relation to the offender on the front door camera?

If yes, where is this coming from?
 
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I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.
There's a Salvation Army Thrift Store right around the corner from AG/TC's house.

 
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We just don't know. The point of the video was purely for identification, not for people like us to have a deeper understanding of the case.
Right :)

Makes it seem like he would have taken it off and was coming back around the front to get NG? Maybe an accomplice was inside with her? Total speculation
 
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I think the FBI will be able to figure out each item and accessory the mask guy is wearing from head to toe including what I think are at least two hyper-realistic face masks (female top, male bottom, somehow being worn together) under the ski mask. But I don't know if they can easily enough track purchases for what are not rare items. But it's quite a bit of evidence still.
You think he's wearing three masks at once?
 
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I’ve seen too many criminals caught on Walmart cams….
I've seen it when they are buying more specific items like zip ties or cleaning supplies... haven't seen it for clothes and a backpack. But who knows!
 
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I first noticed it on a video when a reporter videoed the front door after the crime scene was opened back up, it could have come from anywhere but it still bugs me.
Could have a ransom note in it for all we know…no wonder there’s frustration. Sarcasm on my part, but - really?

MOO
 
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There are new developments in the search for Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy, 11 days after she was taken from her Tucson, Arizona, home. ET talks with criminal justice analyst (and Fox News contributor) Paul Mauro, as the FBI conducts new raids, one day after first detaining a person of interest, a man named Carlos Palazuelos, who spoke with ET after he was released from questioning.

The thickness of the gloves made it too difficult for him to tamper with the camera, so he turned around and gathered scrub from Nancy's front yard to use to cover the device. He eventually pulled the camera out, which stopped it from recording anything further.

The nightmare video showed a gun holstered in the man's pants as he disabled the camera at 1:48 a.m. on February 1. Less than 20 minutes later, cameras inside Nancy's home detected someone inside.

By 2:28 a.m., her pacemaker stopped syncing with her Apple Watch, which was still inside the house, indicating she had been taken out of range of the device.

The glove was located about 1.5 miles from Nancy's home in the Catalina Foothills section of Tucson, on a dirt path alongside a road.

This morning, numerous FBI agents are conducting an extensive search along multiple roadways in the Catalina Foothills area related to the Nancy Guthrie
investigation,” the FBI’s Phoenix division shared via X on Wednesday. “We are asking the media and motorists to follow all traffic laws and to remain cautious when passing law enforcement personnel near the roadways.”

While it’s unclear what the federal officers may have been searching for, a new report from Page Six revealed investigators found a suspicious glove near Nancy’s home. The glove, which was collected as evidence, appeared to be similar to that worn by the masked individual in footage obtained from Nancy’s doorbell camera.


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A person was detained by police "during a traffic stop south of Tucson" for questioning in Nancy Guthrie's disappearance late on Feb. 10, according to a statement obtained by USA TODAY. The person appears to have been released.

Carlos, the man who says he was detained, questioned and released in relation to the Nancy Guthrie investigation, told reporters outside his Rio Rico, Arizona, home early Wednesday that he was stopped while working his delivery job, according to Fox News and the Arizona Republic
 
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In regards to the "Face" of masked man:

Does anyone see them 'blink' in any of the videos?
Some drugs can make people blink at reduced rates compared to normal.

Or the perp has had surgery to remove his eyelids potentially?
 
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Getting great advice tonight on what not to do if you are considering committing a crime!
 
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In regards to the "Face" of masked man:

Does anyone see them 'blink' in any of the videos?

Does anyone else see the mouth in the exactly same position (lips slightly parted) throughout different shots, like a frozen face?

Does anyone notice the 'brows' go all the way flat towards the center of the nose, not normally arching?

I need to watch it again, but these are some reasons why I suspect it's a mask and not a real face.
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A few points of note (without me injecting my conclusions)

Crypto ransoms take a high degree of skill to pull off. POI would need to understand how to cold store BTC. Not on a hot wallet like Ledger. True cold storage takes sophistication and years of planning (storing keys and sleepy wallets with NO prior transactions). After the ransom is paid, POI would then need to use a crypto mixer like Monero or similar to breakdown the BTC, send it to hundreds of wallets, wash the hashes in thousands of transactions and then recollect the BTC once its been washed. After all that, they’d need a laundering scheme to convert the cleaned crypto into fiat. This person(s) would NOT send notes to the media. They understand anonymity and would avoid hot contact (I.e internet contact)

If you’re confused, you’re not the culprit. That gives a sense for the kind of person or persons skilled enough to pull off a crypto ransom. And that says nothing of the skill to kidnap someone. Those are two very different skill sets that rarely occur in one person.
Yes, someone would have to be very disciplined these days to get away with a crypto ransom.
 
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Regular lurker, rare poster, but there are numerous issues with this case that have frustrated me enough to ask or post something. I’m gonna stick to the pics and video of the masked man on NG’s Nest because it blew my mind in ways I wouldn’t think I would ordinarily do.

First off, and I don’t intend to make light but my own reaction was out of character, my initial response was “lazy millennial”! No sense of purpose! The way he mopes around, slow moving to the point I want to dub over “duh, which way did he go?” like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. The Lantana on the camera? Regardless of his motivation for grabbing them it is definitely a lack of preparedness. Whether that’s for concealment, to provide some grip to get purchase on it to yank or turn, or as some kind of gesture to get in, hide, or send some message to one or all family members. I wouldn’t carry my gun that doesn’t fit the holster there. I certainly would remove reflective gear from my clothing. I would be moving much more quickly and assertively. However, my subsequent viewing left me seeing a person more my own age (50’s) maybe a little stiff, and sure enough they weren’t getting caught to not move any faster than he needed to. I was aggravated either way because what I’m seeing in his activity is not as proficient as I would have liked them to be to cause this much difficulty in their capture.

I’m focusing on this because this is one of the very few pieces of evidence/actual fact that has been provided to us. But I’m still left pondering what I watched. So…

Are any of these images or videos time stamped or has law enforcement verified when these were recorded? Are with and without backpack shots from close time proximity to one another? Why do I find this important? His behavior takes on a different interpretation if this person was responsible for removal, a driver, or simply a lookout. When the clip starts the person is offscreen towards our left side of the doorway with their shadow visible. Where is that in location to say the garage, the main drive? Did this person just arrive because it’s time to take her out? This person annoys me less if his behavior fits his role.

None of the above is fact, just me thinking out loud. I appreciate reading other people’s posts because their thoughts help spur on my own, and hopefully this will do the same for someone else.

Praying for a (more) swift resolution.
 
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I'm wondering if there's someone like that in the family. I've been thinking of the Reiner situation. The young adult with problems. That person on the porch acts like he belongs there. I also think they might be intoxicated on some kind of downer. Maybe they've been accustomed to family bailing them out. Maybe they think, or know, that NG keeps pain killers or cash in that house.

Whoever that is took great pains not to be recognized on camera or by NG if she woke up. Things went sideways. Did they call somebody for help? Did a car leave AG/TGs house in the middle of the night? Or did they call a friend? Someone else in the extended family? I don't think whoever is on that porch had the wherewithal to remove a body from the house and secret it away somewhere. Not alone. IMO
Very interesting possibilities. Good insights. IMO there is something off-kilter with the person on the porch and it could well be related to drugs or alcohol. They do act like they belong there.

Tremendous effort to mask face - wondering if this was so NG wouldn't recognize them since otherwise perhaps she would have recognized this person. JMO

Agree with Fargo that this person doesn't have the capacity, even with a gun pointed at NG, to be able to get NG out of the house on their own. JMHO
 
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Yes I think so. Here's a male one with facial hair and a lady one with lashes too.

I think the mask visible through the eye holes is clearly female and possibly with lashes attached to the mask eyelids.

I think the mask visible through the mouth hole is male and has facial hair.

Maybe they cut up and layered them.

That takes some planning.
 

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I’ve been wondering about used goods.
If i were to plan a crime, I’d purchase all of my supplies at Salvation Army stores or flea markets… pretty much untraceable. Or yard sales.
I guess there could be a jumble of DNA in used items, which could work to a perp's advantage.

(imo/jmo)
 
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Minutes being taken. Noted.
 
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Just thinking about that door camera (based on something I saw on Twitter).

Removing the camera from the mount doesn’t stop it recording.

You’d have to break it, or remove it from WIFI range to do that.

So there is almost certainly additional video being held back.
 

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