AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[birdbox]

I wonder if the blood is throwing us off. We know it is NG’s blood, but do we know if it was “fresh”?

1. I’ve seen it posted here that masked man with flowers approached the front door at ~ 1:50am?

If the above is true, NG likely wasn’t removed from the home, via the front door, before 1:50am. If that time is not confirmed, the rest of what I have to say is likely irrelevant.

2. If NG was removed from the home through the front door (as we believe due to the blood) prior to 1:50am, there would be footage from that operable camera.

IF mask guy is a clean up guy:

it would stand to reason that NG wasn’t removed from the home via the front door, and the blood was from another time. There would be footage of them taking her out the front door prior to the camera being disabled. If she was removed prior to 1:50, we would see it just like we see masked man.

This tracks because it wouldn’t make sense for home intruders to enter through the rear of the home and then exit the front door, where you are open to being seen (yes, unlikely in that neighborhood, but still about the dumbest thing you could do). If your vehicle is in the side driveway, and you entered under darkness from the backyard, there is no logical reason to exit va the front door.

OR

NG was still in the house at 1:50, bound or dead, with a home intruder in the house and masked man was summoned to the house to help remove her. Masked man knows he’s approaching a crime scene, and is apprehensive; hence his hand on the gun. He notices the camera as he looks in the front door to make sure it’s safe and reaches for the flowers to hide himself before entering. Masked man is there to help remove the bleeding, injured or dead NG.

Again, this assumes what I’ve read here that he disabled the camera at 1:50 and a different camera picked up motion at 2:10. And pacemaker disconnected at about 2:30. If he was a “clean up guy”, he wasn’t doubling back to clean up after NG was removed. He was either working alone, there to help remove her or begin clean up while she was still in the home

The only thing about this, if i,'m the murderer inside, why woukd i be like, "hey clean up guy, meet me at the front door, ok buddy?" Why not, hey bro come around back door is wide open. Etc??? I honestly thought the intruders would have been inside and reached around from inside to grab camera. The very idea of walking up cold call style to the front door is still so wild to me.

 

[Cassie P]

Right. It means masked man is there to help with the removal of NG, not that he was there as a clean up guy after the fact.

And I hate to say it, but the timeline is what leads me to believe she passed during the home invasion.

It was 40 minutes from camera destruction, to her being out of range of her phone. Seems if you are there for the purpose of kidnapping, you wouldn’t stay in the home with her for 40 minutes. If you are cleaning up a murder scene and burglarizing the home, you would

Yes a kidnapping should be quick in and out of the home. Unless these guys were not too bright amateurs. Or if NG fought back. And they decided to take some items or do some clean up/staging. Even if robbers feel they have to kill someone it is quick and they exit right away. Don't hang around. All of it is a business crime, not personal.

 

[Spectrix]

Asking as I have no idea how these apps work.

NG’s pacemaker app:
would the body’s panic response to a home invasion appear in the app data?

if she had a medical event, and died, during the home invasion would the app not pick that up?

We have heard of the app disconnecting, but not of any irregular activity prior to her being out of its range (presumably)

we presume the app disconnected because she moved out of range. Would the app disconnect just the same if she passed away in range of the app?

Irregular activity hasn't been mentioned by law enforcement. Some other posters mentioned that their own pacemaker app transmits information to the phone (via bluetooth) automatically once each day around 1:30am.

Even if the data was actually transmitted before she was taken from the house, a pacemaker with logging capability may be looking for a particular type of irregularity such as Arrhythmia, Bradycardia, Atrial fibrillation etc

I'm not sure if it's designed to log an elevated heart rate as such, because the average person's heart has many changes in heart rate each day due to standing up / lying down / exercise etc.

There is also the Apple Watch she was known to wear but I think it was left at the residence, if so it may have been charging at the time of the attack.

 

[aamillaa]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021911428534604234

 

[Cassie P]

The only thing about this, if i,'m the murderer inside, why woukd i be like, "hey clean up guy, meet me at the front door, ok buddy?" Why not, hey bro come around back door is wide open. Etc??? I honestly thought the intruders would have been inside and reached around from inside to grab camera. The very idea of walking up cold call style to the feont door is still so wild to me.

Maybe these guys wanted to be seen? The one guy looks right at the camera.

 

[NicoleInVa]

If he had done it before, why not bring something specially to cover up the door camera? Can he count on shrubbery to be present at every robbery?

Porch lights are allowed. Mostly, they need to be pointed down and be under a certain wattage/lumens. (Former Catalina Foothills resident.)

 

[SMK777]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021911428534604234

I really would have thought that that would be done thoroughly 11 or 12 days ago.

Do they think someone is coming back to the scene?

 

[Ltiger4]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021711606879805757

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Why on earth didn’t they do this sooner

I think I can help with that -

Google Maps - Nancy Guthrie's Residence

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Do we know if the pics and video released by the FBI are in fact the 2:12 “software detects person on camera” pics? Or are they from before the doorbell was disconnected? The camera he is trying to cover with the lantana is the Nest camera, right? Or is it a Ring doorbell? Did she have both?

 

[balaney]

The time between the front door images and the time the pacemaker disconnects, could be due to the intruder going to the back of the home and breaking in then finding Nancy and realizing she is not properly clothed to be taken. Have they found her shoes? Dressing an older person can take time.

 

[aamillaa]

I really would have thought that that would be done thoroughly 11 or 12 days ago.

Do they think someone is coming back to the scene?

I am so curious about the searching and researching at NG and AG. Do they think someone is coming back, like you mentioned? Is it performative for some reason?

 

[PCHS]

It sounds like he wants SG to put pressure on others to get a lie detector test?
This guy's statement is rubbing me the wrong way too.

Not to mention that AG/SIL basically gave over their house to LE who seem to come/go repeatedly for any purpose.

 

[penguinface]

Maybe these guys wanted to be seen? The one guy looks right at the camera.

If they wanted to be seen or were trying to “stage a fake scene”, I think they would have just left the camera alone to record their presence/“fake kidnapping”, rather than disconnecting and removing it, which seems more like an attempt to remove video evidence.

JMO

 

[SMK777]

I am so curious about the searching and researching at NG and AG. Do they think someone is coming back, like you mentioned? Is it performative for some reason?

Yes, I am wondering the same!

 

[DeadCat]

I’m trying to keep up with all the posts, but I can’t! Sorry if somebody’s already posted this. I watched the Google nest video a couple of times and was wondering if there was any indication of any sounds. I was wondering if someone from inside could’ve been yelling instructions for this person that we can’t hear. I noticed that when he approached the door it seemed like he was trying to cover up the camera by hanging the flowers over it. He also uses his left hand to try to open the door. You can see him turning the door knob. When he first approaches he puts his head down so the light will be focused on the steps so he knows where to walk. When he first turns around he seems to be looking for something to cover the camera and looks to the left before deciding on the flowers.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Just thinking about that door camera (based on something I saw on Twitter).

Removing the camera from the mount doesn’t stop it recording.

You’d have to break it, or remove it from WIFI range to do that.

So there is almost certainly additional video being held back.

IMO I agree there's additional video we haven't seen.

I wish we had the timestamps from the videos we do have, so we could correlate them with the official timeline. I believe that there is probably not video from this specific camera after the 1:47AM "disconnects" event on the timeline. To me, that suggests that the battery was removed, the camera was destroyed, or it was taken far enough away from the house that it could no longer reach the network. It could have reconnected after that and uploaded more (live or cached) video, but we have heard nothing about that (of course there's a lot we haven't heard about...).

The 1:47AM time is the first event of the early morning that we have on the LE timeline, so that suggests to me that it's around when they suspect action started happening. So, based on what we know now, it seems that little if anything happened before 1:47, and I don't think we will get anything from this camera after 1:47. So my hopes for getting significant additional video and audio from during the event from this specific camera (not talking about any other alleged cameras) is pretty low.

All that said, anything is possible. Without knowing what time the videos we've seen are from, we have no way to know how closely those correlate with the "disconnected" event. And I don't put a huge amount of trust into the accuracy of that LE timeline, given other mis-steps, so maybe there's an error there. And perhaps most of the action happened before that disconnection but they just didn't have anything concrete to put on the timeline at the time they published it.

Anyway, here's to hoping, but I am not holding my breath.

My opinion only.

 

[PCHS]

I am so curious about the searching and researching at Nancy’s and Annie’s. Do they think someone is coming back, like you mentioned? Is it performative for some reason?

You didn't ask me - however I feel like it is one thing to recheck something with new evidence and another to have to seemingly start all over again and find things that may have been evident the entire team (e.g. the other cameras). Performative I don't think so..lost/disorganized/didn't do a great job earlier on - possibly

 

[rose2022_]

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Authorities are requesting footage from Jan. 11 between 9 p.m. and midnight, which dates to three weeks before Guthrie disappeared. Police are also requesting footage from January 31st between 9:30 and 11 a.m.

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Investigators find a set of gloves along road as search enters 12th day

Investigators found a set of gloves amid the investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance. The FBI conducted an "extensive search" Wednesday along multiple roadways in the Catalina Foothills area north of Tucson, Arizona, and continues to offer a $50,000 award for information. The search for...

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I wonder why?

 

[m00c0w]

I could be wrong, but I think there is a video capture or render error there. Those gloves are THICK, like you would use for bbq or for handling dangerous chemicals. I’d be shocked to find out there is a hole in them.

I think those are just nitrile gloves over work gloves. I do the same thing when I want to protect my hands but I’m also touching stuff I don’t want on my gloves possibly permanently.

 

[Curiousobserver]

Maybe these guys wanted to be seen? The one guy looks right at the camera.

When I look at this video, I see a person exploring the home. They are cognizant of being seen, hence the ski-mask and they are aware of DNA, hence the gloves, or layers of gloves. They are bundled up, way beyond what a person from a colder climate would wear when its 30F, so a local. They don't see well at night, so they have this mouth-activated light and need it to navigate the step (it was moon-bright, that night and the perp leaves shadow its so bright). However, they don't seem to be prepared to deal with camera, but they quickly improvise. I think they have experience breaking into homes. While Nancy may have been targeted due to her family, to me its equally likely she was targeted because her house was dark (the porch light isn't on).

 

[aamillaa]

Yes, I am wondering the same!

I was wondering if they’re doing to keep media attention away from other areas…. But that seems like such a waste of man power for a diversion.

searching and researching but not securing either house is so odd to me. Wouldn’t anything they find be pretty much unusable for trial? Or at least an avenue for a defense attorney?