• #23,801
I really would have thought that that would be done thoroughly 11 or 12 days ago.

Do they think someone is coming back to the scene?

I am so curious about the searching and researching at NG and AG. Do they think someone is coming back, like you mentioned? Is it performative for some reason?
 
  • #23,802
It sounds like he wants SG to put pressure on others to get a lie detector test?
This guy's statement is rubbing me the wrong way too.
Not to mention that AG/SIL basically gave over their house to LE who seem to come/go repeatedly for any purpose.
 
  • #23,803
Maybe these guys wanted to be seen? The one guy looks right at the camera.
If they wanted to be seen or were trying to “stage a fake scene”, I think they would have just left the camera alone to record their presence/“fake kidnapping”, rather than disconnecting and removing it, which seems more like an attempt to remove video evidence.

JMO
 
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I am so curious about the searching and researching at NG and AG. Do they think someone is coming back, like you mentioned? Is it performative for some reason?
Yes, I am wondering the same!
 
  • #23,805
I’m trying to keep up with all the posts, but I can’t! Sorry if somebody’s already posted this. I watched the Google nest video a couple of times and was wondering if there was any indication of any sounds. I was wondering if someone from inside could’ve been yelling instructions for this person that we can’t hear. I noticed that when he approached the door it seemed like he was trying to cover up the camera by hanging the flowers over it. He also uses his left hand to try to open the door. You can see him turning the door knob. When he first approaches he puts his head down so the light will be focused on the steps so he knows where to walk. When he first turns around he seems to be looking for something to cover the camera and looks to the left before deciding on the flowers.
 
  • #23,806
Just thinking about that door camera (based on something I saw on Twitter).

Removing the camera from the mount doesn’t stop it recording.

You’d have to break it, or remove it from WIFI range to do that.

So there is almost certainly additional video being held back.
IMO I agree there's additional video we haven't seen.

I wish we had the timestamps from the videos we do have, so we could correlate them with the official timeline. I believe that there is probably not video from this specific camera after the 1:47AM "disconnects" event on the timeline. To me, that suggests that the battery was removed, the camera was destroyed, or it was taken far enough away from the house that it could no longer reach the network. It could have reconnected after that and uploaded more (live or cached) video, but we have heard nothing about that (of course there's a lot we haven't heard about...).

The 1:47AM time is the first event of the early morning that we have on the LE timeline, so that suggests to me that it's around when they suspect action started happening. So, based on what we know now, it seems that little if anything happened before 1:47, and I don't think we will get anything from this camera after 1:47. So my hopes for getting significant additional video and audio from during the event from this specific camera (not talking about any other alleged cameras) is pretty low.

All that said, anything is possible. Without knowing what time the videos we've seen are from, we have no way to know how closely those correlate with the "disconnected" event. And I don't put a huge amount of trust into the accuracy of that LE timeline, given other mis-steps, so maybe there's an error there. And perhaps most of the action happened before that disconnection but they just didn't have anything concrete to put on the timeline at the time they published it.

Anyway, here's to hoping, but I am not holding my breath.

My opinion only.
 
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I am so curious about the searching and researching at Nancy’s and Annie’s. Do they think someone is coming back, like you mentioned? Is it performative for some reason?
You didn't ask me - however I feel like it is one thing to recheck something with new evidence and another to have to seemingly start all over again and find things that may have been evident the entire team (e.g. the other cameras). Performative I don't think so..lost/disorganized/didn't do a great job earlier on - possibly
 
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I could be wrong, but I think there is a video capture or render error there. Those gloves are THICK, like you would use for bbq or for handling dangerous chemicals. I’d be shocked to find out there is a hole in them.
I think those are just nitrile gloves over work gloves. I do the same thing when I want to protect my hands but I’m also touching stuff I don’t want on my gloves possibly permanently.
 
  • #23,810
Maybe these guys wanted to be seen? The one guy looks right at the camera.
When I look at this video, I see a person exploring the home. They are cognizant of being seen, hence the ski-mask and they are aware of DNA, hence the gloves, or layers of gloves. They are bundled up, way beyond what a person from a colder climate would wear when its 30F, so a local. They don't see well at night, so they have this mouth-activated light and need it to navigate the step (it was moon-bright, that night and the perp leaves shadow its so bright). However, they don't seem to be prepared to deal with camera, but they quickly improvise. I think they have experience breaking into homes. While Nancy may have been targeted due to her family, to me its equally likely she was targeted because her house was dark (the porch light isn't on).
 
  • #23,811
Yes, I am wondering the same!
I was wondering if they’re doing to keep media attention away from other areas…. But that seems like such a waste of man power for a diversion.

searching and researching but not securing either house is so odd to me. Wouldn’t anything they find be pretty much unusable for trial? Or at least an avenue for a defense attorney?
 
  • #23,812

She didn’t make it home, and the person in the video was staging/ distraction. The blood is proven to be Nancy, but it’s transfer.

Why did it take so long to find the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 glove?

Because of all the noise and distraction.
That’s what I believe. The masked person is all an act — making it look like a kidnapping. IMO — something happened at that dinner or on the way home. Or when they pulled in to “drop” her off. Maybe she said no more handouts or something. You never know what it takes to make someone snap. Again - IMO.
 
  • #23,813
I was wondering if they’re doing to keep media attention away from other areas…. But that seems like such a waste of man power for a diversion.

searching and researching but not securing either house is so odd to me. Wouldn’t anything they find be pretty much unusable for trial? Or at least an avenue for a defense attorney?
Yes, it's truly baffling to see them doing things which are commonly performed within the first 48-72 hours in a taped off crime scene.

This lady has been missing a very long time.

I'm truly stymied.
 
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IMO I agree there's additional video we haven't seen.

I wish we had the timestamps from the videos we do have, so we could correlate them with the official timeline. I believe that there is probably not video after the 1:47AM "disconnects" event on the timeline. To me, that suggests that the battery was removed, the camera was destroyed, or it was taken far enough away from the house that it could no longer reach the network. It could have reconnected after that and uploaded more (live or cached) video, but we have heard nothing about that (of course there's a lot we haven't heard about...).

The 1:47AM time is the first event of the early morning that we have on the LE timeline, so that suggests to me that it's around when they suspect action started happening. So, based on what we know now, it seems that little if anything happened before 1:47, and I don't think we will get anything from this camera after 1:47. So my hopes for getting significant additional video and audio from during the event from this specific camera (not talking about any other alleged cameras) is pretty low.

All that said, anything is possible. Without knowing what time the videos we've seen are from, we have no way to know how closely those correlate with the "disconnected" event. And I don't put a huge amount of trust into the accuracy of that LE timeline, given other mis-steps, so maybe there's an error there. And perhaps most of the action happened before that disconnection but they just didn't have anything concrete to put on the timeline at the time they published it.

Anyway, here's to hoping, but I am not holding my breath.

My opinion only.
Above bolded by me.

Agree. I watched the video again this morning and there seems to be a few cuts. MOO. Not at all an expert on anything like that, so REALLY MOO, IMHO, etc.
 
  • #23,815
I agree, it looks like a social worker from Adult Protective Services made a home visit and left a card. Which might be appropriate if they thought an older person had wandered off?
I know nothing at all about how these agencies operate, but it would be surprising to me if APS showed up at the scene of a suspected crime, where the sole occupant of the home was missing, and left a business card rather than going through police to contact the family. But I do know that cooperation and communication between various agencies can be, uh, challenging. And maybe the person just was out of the loop or had their wires crossed. Just surprises me. IMO
 
  • #23,816
The forensic reality is stark and immediate. Laboratory technicians are now hunting for microscopic skin cells that could have transferred from the suspect’s hands to the glove’s interior. If Nancy’s DNA isn’t on it, investigators face the disappointing possibility that some random worker dropped it. But even then, they won’t give up. Every DNA profile found on that glove will trigger a full background investigation, interviews, and detailed suspect analysis.

What’s telling investigators they’re onto something big is the location itself — one and a half miles from Nancy’s Catalina Foothills home. Harrigan points out that having FBI agents walking roadways this far from the crime scene signals “absolutely detailed work behind the scenes.” In kidnapping cases, there are no search perimeters. No limits. No stone left unturned.
 
  • #23,817
I agree, it looks like a social worker from Adult Protective Services made a home visit and left a card. Which might be appropriate if they thought an older person had wandered off?
I've missed so many pages, but is it known when that card was left at Nancy's door?
 
  • #23,818
When I look at this video, I see a person exploring the home. They are cognizant of being seen, hence the ski-mask and they are aware of DNA, hence the gloves, or layers of gloves. They are bundled up, way beyond what a person from a colder climate would wear when its 30F, so a local. They don't see well at night, so they have this mouth-activated light and need it to navigate the step (it was moon-bright, that night and the perp leaves shadow its so bright). However, they don't seem to be prepared to deal with camera, but they quickly improvise. I think they have experience breaking into homes. While Nancy may have been targeted due to her family, to me its equally likely she was targeted because her house was dark (the porch light isn't on).

I see their "experience" as not with breaking into homes, but more as familiarity with the home. It's a giant leap from breaking into a home for a robbery and kidnapping an elderly lady.
 
  • #23,819
If he was a 'professional' he would have one of those head mounted lights. He knows it's dark, so prepare for the 'conditions'.
IMO, a “bite light” might be more advantageous. Someone creeping around in the dark might want to be able to turn off/on the light instantly without hands.
 
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"The specific backpack style, clothing brands, shoe type, even the ski mask pattern – all of these are traceable through retail purchases, particularly if bought locally," Dr. Gregory Vecchi, retired supervisory Special Agent and Chief of the FBI Behavioral Science Unit, told Fox News Digital. "The FBI will be canvassing sporting goods stores, tactical supply outlets and online purchase records."
Can the items be traced if bought at a Goodwill store or re-sell shop?
 
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