NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct 2010 - #14

[sweetmop]

To me he sounds like a normal everyday aussie. He was in Qld for some time and they speak slower up there with more of a drawl. I did think he had a stilted way of speaking but I thought that might be because he was choosing his words carefully. ( sorry if you think Queenslanders sound like they have a brain injury - a lot of Sydneysiders and Melbournians would find that quite funny and spot on)

I'm sorry, darnudes. I certainly haven't meant to offend you or anyone here!
Just somehow he doesn't seem to be alright to me though. But what do I know?

 

[bellyup]

On his facebook page he said he attended Western Piedmont Community College '09 -Basic Law Enforcement Training (BLET).

Does that mean he would have graduated by now and be a serving police officer? Sorry not to sure as I'm in Aus, I've never heard you go to college to do BLET, we don't have that over here, you just go straight into the police force as a cadet to do your training.

Yes, he has graduated , but I don't think he's a patrol officer. It was stated in facebook comments that he works in the police field (detective? forensics? office? who knows?) but the way it was worded I don't think he's an actual officer.

 

[lauriej]

...someone asked a few pages back about her court appearance this upcoming week:

Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2010050236 CRArraigned Defendant Name: BAKER,ELESACounty: BURKECourt Date: 10/20/2010Session: AMCourt Room: 0002
Offense CodeDescriptionStatute 2334 Felony LARCENY BY EMPLOYEE 14-74 5099 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND 5A-15

and also, 2699 OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE FELONY COMMON LAW
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http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/cal...0/2010&county=BURKE&session=AM&courtRoom=0002

 

[elepher50]

There are usually multiple searches running at the same time, so he couldn't have been at each and every one of them, but do we know what searches he has been at?

Not sure which ones he has been at other than the wood-chipper site.

On an earlier question you posed, it would seem to me that the places that need to be searched would be any areas of interest inside the green perimeter and then fan out to areas inside the red perimeter. Reason being is that most of EB's life has been spent inside the green perimeter and therefore more familiarity with out of the way places.

 

[bellyup]

I just can't believe that he would not STOP whatever he is doing for 15-20 mins in honour of his missing daughter!!

I can understand he may not be a sentimentalist or may not enjoy the cameras but it just seems disrespectful!

He did the first part (the balloon release) and then was "gathering belongings" (but he was right there doing that - so it may have just been his jacket / cell phone / or extra balloons / markers / trash etc ) . He may have been trying to avoid media and didn't want to be around the front of the home ? ? ?

There were only a few people at the front when they added photos and the angels to the tree.

I also thought that may have been the reason for the circle of cars. So if there was any media presence they could have some small amount of privacy.

 

[darnudes]

No, sorry. PD just has data from US gov sources. Some states include more comprehensive info than others.. it searches things like federal, state, and county-level public records, state business (incorporation) records, professional licenses, etc.

I actually haven't even searched it yet for AB's record history in the US yet. Hopefully I can get to that before terribly long.

I just did some more checking at police websites etc, and we will not be able to get that information. We would have to fill out an application and it has to be for a specific reason such as employment in a sensitive area like childcare etc.

The media may be able to do it under FOI so we may know more this week.

 

[bellyup]

I think one reason they haven't arrested him yet is to see how he reacts when he is on searches with them and when they ask him questions. His responses to questions might be very different now than if he were in custody. Once he is arrested and asks for a lawyer, he is going to be more guarded under advice from his attorney. They probably figure that if the time comes and he is no longer useful they can arrest him, but what would they charge him with right now?

That's the thing. They have nothing to charge him with that is going to "stick" at all. The only charges pending on him are for writing bad checks. He'd be in jail for an evening or two tops and back out .... and probably not wanting to work with LE anymore.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Anyone else thinking they might have been into role playing? Just thinking along those lines for the dominance / submissiveness that seems to be part of their relationship.

I was thinking that as well. After all, they interacted online together in a virtual world. It's where they met.

"The couple did not meet on a dating website, but on a website called IMVU, a social network and 3D virtual world where people create characters of themselves."

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13329351

http://www.imvu.com/

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm sorry, darnudes. I certainly haven't meant to offend you or anyone here!
Just somehow he doesn't seem to be alright to me though. But what do I know?

me too darnudes - I in no way meant to disrespect anyone. I've been an educator for over 15 years and can "see" certain things in the way people speak and act - that's all I was referring to. What I see has absolutely nothing to do with his speaking slowly at all - but more other physical things - KWIM?

 

[Oriah]

...someone asked a few pages back about her court appearance this upcoming week:

Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2010050236 CRArraigned Defendant Name: BAKER,ELESACounty: BURKECourt Date: 10/20/2010Session: AMCourt Room: 0002
Offense CodeDescriptionStatute 2334 Felony LARCENY BY EMPLOYEE 14-74 5099 MOTION TO REDUCE BOND 5A-15
<< Back

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/cal...0/2010&county=BURKE&session=AM&courtRoom=0002

You can search here:
http://www.nccourts.org/ for all NC court dates, who has been charged, their charges, etc. Sometimes it takes until midnight eastern US time to be updated.

 

[sweetmop]

I was thinking that as well. After all, they interacted online together in a virtual world. It's where they met.

"The couple did not meet on a dating website, but on a website called IMVU, a social network and 3D virtual world where people create characters of themselves."

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13329351

http://www.imvu.com/

Interesting. Thanks for that info, NoeticSoul.

 

[darnudes]

I'm sorry, darnudes. I certainly haven't meant to offend you or anyone here!
Just somehow he doesn't seem to be alright to me though. But what do I know?

No offence taken at all - I thought it was hilarious and the other Aussies on here would think so too.

 

[Oriah]

Not sure which ones he has been at other than the wood-chipper site.

On an earlier question you posed, it would seem to me that the places that need to be searched would be any areas of interest inside the green perimeter and then fan out to areas inside the red perimeter. Reason being is that most of EB's life has been spent inside the green perimeter and therefore more familiarity with out of the way places.

I don't think we have any media links for any others. Do we?

 

[sweetmop]

No offence taken at all - I thought it was hilarious and the other Aussies on here would think so too.

Oh, thank goodness. I think somehow he just seems a little slow. His mannerisms, or something.

 

[pudd]

The media may be able to do it under FOI so we may know more this week.

Yeah, but don't FOI requests take ages?

It's quite interesting how much info you can find on people in the US, isn't it? Stuff that you would never be able to access here in Aus. Sometimes it's a two-edged sword though, huh?

 

[NoeticSoul]

Interesting. Thanks for that info, NoeticSoul.

You're most welcome.. I participate in the virtual world of Second Life, which is very much similar, and although I am into terraforming (designing) Sims (land) there (3d programming)... there ARE indeed adult sims there with a ton of adult role playing going on. Just FYI

 

[elepher50]

I don't think we have any media links for any others. Do we?

None that I am aware of.

 

[pudd]

Oh, thank goodness. I think somehow he just seems a little slow. His mannerisms, or something.

Don't worry sweetmop, I'm sure there's some of that in there too! How could any functioning adult think marrying EB and going to live in the US is a good thing? I'm sure a lot of really great (normal) people have met their spouse/SO online, but as someone said earlier, there are a lot of weirdos out there.

 

[Oriah]

Yeah, but don't FOI requests take ages?

It's quite interesting how much info you can find on people in the US, isn't it? Stuff that you would never be able to access here in Aus. Sometimes it's a two-edged sword though, huh?

FOIA requests sometimes take ages, other times they are speedy. It is basically decided by the person processing the request and whether or not the investigation is active.

Reporters should not be able to get much new (via FOIA) right now regarding Zahra. The information they would get would be any information that is leaked, or accidentally spilled, or officially released by LE.
Which of course, leaves a lot wide open. But I think LE has a pretty tight hold on this now.

 

[Bodhi]

TY but can you further elaborate as to what it might mean in reference to the charges against EB? ie. what exactly would be the offense described as common law and are tehre other types of forgery that would be described as INSERT DESCRIPTIVE WORD HERE forgery?

First, I'd like to say again that I'm not familiar with North Carolina law. But from the research I could do quickly, what it means in relation to this case is just that there is no specific statute that lists the elements of the crime of forgery. Rather, there is a common law definition. The short answer is the source of the law doesn't really matter here. Whether the charge/conviction is based on common law or a statute isn't relevant to this discussion.

Here's a longer explanation:

The 30th Judicial District Alliance of North Carolina has a web site for senior citizens. It gives the elements of crimes on http://www.eldersafe.net/statutes2.html

For forgery, it states:

Common Law Forgery – NC Common Law ******
Class I Felony
1.*makes, forges, or counterfeits
2.*a bill, note, warrant, check, order, or similar instrument drawn on any
financial institution or governmental unit or any officer of such an
institution or governmental unit, or
3.*a security purporting to be issued by or on behalf of any corporation,
financial institution, or governmental unit
4. with the intent to injure or defraud
5. any person, corporation, financial institution, or governmental unit.


For some crimes, the North Carolina General Assembly has enacted laws that state what constitutes the elements of the specific crime. These laws are called North Carolina General Statutes, abbreviated as N.C.G.S.

When the 30th Judicial District of North Carolina lists a crime that has been defined by statute, the name of the crime is followed by the statutory reference. For example,

First Degree Kidnapping – N.C.G.S. 14-39
Class C Felony

The first part is the name of the crime (First Degree Kidnapping). It is then followed by the statute numbers (N.C.G.S. 14 through 39). Next it gives the classification (misdemeanor, felony, etc.). And then the specifics of what constitutes the crime as laid out by North Carolina statute.

Looking at the quote above on forgery, you will see that instead of giving a NCGS statute number after the name of the crime, it states "NC Common Law".

As for what it means to what EB is charged with, the derivation of the law (common law or statute) really makes no difference.