NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown NYC, 4 December 2024 #12 *Arrest*

[Sundog]

KA: And you felt like he was genuine was he apologized for everything that happened that day?

Fox: As genuine as someone who just assassinated a man could be

KA: Objection

Carro: No, that'll stand.

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BBM

 

[mrC]

why dident the custemers call the police ddident they have call phones

 

[mrC]

ive just watched nancy grace i think i need threapy for the trauma

 

[Serononin]

why dident the custemers call the police ddident they have call phones

If you're sitting across the room from someone who you think might have just murdered someone, are you gonna get out your phone and call the police right in front of him?

 

[mrC]

yes i would just go outside and do it

 

[justtrish]

why dident the custemers call the police ddident they have call phones

Of course, they likely had cell phones. When I hear that a worker at McDonalds recognized him and called, then I think I'm glad that person was aware and had seen the photos and decided to call just in case it was him. We need more people to be proactive, but reality is many people don't pay attention like that. Many don't watch the news or see news on social media. People tend to mind their own business and if they are in McDonalds eating, they aren't looking around to see if they see any wanted people. The worker likely noticed him because he ordered food and might have interacted with him unlike customers in the store who would not have been face to face with him.

Are you suggesting because nobody else called the worker at the store should not have?
Are you suggesting because other people didn't call, this couldn't be the guy?

I am glad SOMEONE called because it was the guy they were looking for.

If this was a child abduction and the photo of a kidnapper was shared, we don't question why an entire store didn't call in about the guy, we are thankful that someone recognized the man and called it in.

IMO

 

[mrC]

but the manger said the custemers told her it was him she dident say anything about a worker recognising him

 

[justtrish]

but the manger said the custemers told her it was him

Okay then they were afraid to call. Maybe they don't call the police (plenty of people won't call the police for many reasons) Maybe they wanted to make sure so they brought it to a manager before calling police on someone sitting in a McDonalds. Maybe they thought it would be better for an employee to call so maybe LE would take it seriously. I guess I just don't care who called or why someone else didn't. I am glad they did because a wanted man was apprehended and now he can face a trial for the charges he's faced with.

 

[Serononin]

Many don't watch the news or see news on social media. People tend to mind their own business and if they are in McDonalds eating, they aren't looking around to see if they see any wanted people.

RSBM

That's a good point, it's easy to forget that the majority of people don't follow crime-related news nearly as closely as people on here do. We're the weird ones, not them

Plus we do need to keep in mind that absolutely nobody expected a guy who'd just shot someone in Manhattan (and seemingly gone to great lengths to cover his tracks immediately before and afterwards) to pop up in a random McDonald's in Pennsylvania

 

[PrairieWind]

but the manger said the custemers told her it was him she dident say anything about a worker recognising him

I'm guessing that those customers didn't want to get involved. But apparently the DID recognize him. But, even more important, it WAS him. I don't understand the debate. It WAS him.

 

[mrC]

if this true shouldent have cleared the mcdonalds

'It's F-cking Him, One Hundred Percent,' Cop Said After Finding Bullets in Luigi Mangione's Backpack

At suppression hearing about evidence found in Mangione’s backpack during McDonald’s arrest, officers testify about searching backpack without warrant

www.rollingstone.com

 

[JDG]

if this true shouldent have cleared the mcdonalds

'It's F-cking Him, One Hundred Percent,' Cop Said After Finding Bullets in Luigi Mangione's Backpack

At suppression hearing about evidence found in Mangione’s backpack during McDonald’s arrest, officers testify about searching backpack without warrant

www.rollingstone.com

With no obvious threat to the public, no need to clear the McDonalds.

Not even a verbal threat from Mangione, in fact he was nervous and seemed to wet himself.

Quicker and easier to just get him back to the station, in a cell and continue from there.

 

[mrC]

they said they thought there was explosives in the bag if so i belive its normall procedure to clear the place before you look inside

 

[LinasK]

why dident the custemers call the police ddident they have call phones

How were the McDonald's customers supposed to know that he was a murder suspect? Had it been publicized by then?

 

[Serononin]

How were the McDonald's customers supposed to know that he was a murder suspect? Had it been publicized by then?

I seem to remember that pretty much all the public had to go on at that point was "suspect is a white man with somewhat distinctive eyebrows"

 

[justtrish]

they said they thought there was explosives in the bag if so i belive its normall procedure to clear the place before you look inside

This is coming straight from Tuesdays posts from @arielilane who was giving the updates as they were provided at court.

We hear Fox ask if "there is anything in that bag they need to know about?" Mangione invokes his rights.

Fox says he believed there was something in that bag that could harm human life, and he wanted to protect the patrons of McDonald's and his fellow police officers. He also knew the Thompson weapon had not been recovered. Fox also said he had a suspicion about an explosive device in the bag. He previously worked a 2021 case with an explosive device in a backpack (they found a live grenade). Fox said now this is always in the back of his mind when he's searching etc.


So it's my opinion they didn't actually think a bomb was in the bag, but since there was a previous situation where a bomb was in a bag and it was brought back to the station in 2021, it is something that is always in his mind. Luigi wasn't suspected of using a bomb to blow someone up, he was wanted for using a gun to kill someone. So this is very reasonable to think a gun could be in the bag and also since they had a previous incident, they just like to check bags before putting them into the patrol car. If Luigi was accused of blowing something or someone up, I have no doubt they would have cleared that McDonald's and used a robot to look in the bag.

You need to read all the updates to get context. Of course, the defense it trying to suggest lots of things, but at no point did the LEO's responding think there was a bomb, but they check bags to make sure. If LE cleared-out buildings every time they arrested someone with a bag, then life would not move on very well.

 

[LinasK]

I seem to remember that pretty much all the public had to go on at that point was "suspect is a white man with somewhat distinctive eyebrows"

That's extremely little to go on, especially when he was in another state, and some people were saying the hostel picture of him was a woman based on his smile and jawline.

 

[Serononin]

That's extremely little to go on, especially when he was in another state, and some people were saying the hostel picture of him was a woman based on his smile and jawline.

BBM

I'd forgotten about that, but now you mention it I definitely remember seeing that speculation online, too

 

[PrairieWind]

That's extremely little to go on, especially when he was in another state, and some people were saying the hostel picture of him was a woman based on his smile and jawline.

Hadn't the photo of him smiling at the hostel been released? That was what people were referring to when they said the recognized him.

 

[arielilane]

Day 7 (6 of testimony) of Luigi Mangione Suppression Hearing, Afternoon Session.Joel Seidemann asks to approach the bench with Jacob Kaplan before the next witness is called. Mangione is back seated at the defense table, drinking his from his plastic cup of water.

The state calls Detective Sergeant John Burns of Altoona PD, who like Hanelly, is dressed in a suit. All other Altoona Police Witnesses have been in uniform.

Burns has been with Altoona PD for 12 years. He was previously a patrol officer for 8 years before being transferred to the criminal division as a Corporal, and now he's a Sergeant in narcotics.

Burns confirms he was working on December 9, 2024, typically his shifts are 7am-3pm. Burns is Corporal Trent's boss.

Burns says it's his common practice to listen to dispatch calls on the radio from his office while doing paperwork etc. He heard the call the morning of the 9, and confirmed that he recognized Detweiler's voice responding.

Burns says he then began to follow along, listening, and confirmed he heard the Rosario name come across the radio. He's now being asked to confirm the NYPD Crime Stoppers photos of the suspect- Burns confirms he saw these prior to the 9th via various news outlets and social media. He does not recognize a somewhat blurry photo of the suspect on a bike with a backpack.

The incident video is playing, and Mangione is looking down at his hands.

State asks Burns what he would advise an officer in responding to a call about the potential NYC Shooter, he says "that he's armed and dangerous"


Burns estimates he was at the McDonald's that morning for 30 minutes or so total. Detweiler, Frye, and Hanelly had arrived prior to him.

Burns confirms Hanley was in charge of all things relevant to the "person of interest."

9:41AM, BWC is playing, where we see Burns making a hand motion to Detweiler that indicates he should frisk Mangione (since it's possible he was the NY Shooter).

9:50AM, Burns does a "finger pinching" hand motion to another officer that he describes as a signal to cuff a suspect.


Burns confirms that they were allowing civilians to exit through the side door, but felt that they kept the area around Mangione secure enough.


We are watching the backpack search again by Wasser, at 10:01AM. Burns was heard asking Fox and Wasser to take the information of the McDonald's manager.

We've heard an officer in the background of the BWC say, "It's f*cking him," about 3x now as they replay the footage.
He points out Mangione at the defense table as the suspect.


10:03AM, we hear in the background..

Trent: We probably need a search warrant..

Burns: It doesn't matter, he's under arrest for a crime he committed here in PA, it's search incident to arrest


Burns explains he took 172 photographs of evidence collected from the backpack and Mangione, himself.

State asks if he read every page of the writings in the notebook before taking the photo, and he says yes.


The state says they will try to expedite the review of all 172 photographs in evidence... Burns is looking at a screen on the witness stand, we cannot see the photos.


Burns describes finding a note in an envelope. There was no writing on the envelope, and we are not told the contents of the note. Burns says he did NOT read all of the notes.

Burns describes that he photographed more notes on loose papers, sometimes with writing on the front and back. State makes sure he does not describe any contents of the notes.


State says they are permitted to display the evidence photo 161, which is the note that had writings such as "FBI slow, overnight" etc

Photo 162 has the map of Pittsburgh

There is a Chase Bank envelope with the note


We were shown evidence photos depicting blank pages from the red notebook, and Burns confirmed he photographed those pages as part of standard evidence-documentation procedure.

Burns describes pages of the notebook being torn out.

We are viewing Mangione's passport, Maryland ID, wallet sleeve, and 3 credit cards

Now viewing the cash, US and foreign currency, plus a blue, white and bag pouch or bag, plus a hard drive. There is also a wrinkled envelope off to the side


Evidence Photos: More flash drives, the USB on a necklace (Burns indicated that he does not know what's on any hard drives), a CVS receipt, a blue medical mask, loose string and loose change, blue digital camera, safety pins, more hard drives, cell phone inside "faraday bag" (multiple angles), Apple laptop and "faraday bag" (multiple angles, with serial number showing and laptop opened up and powered on), triple A "Energizer Bunny" batteries, Sandisk drives in packages, USB adapters and thumb drives, pocket knife, zip ties, and misc hygeine items- protein bar, floss.

State has nothing further, and defense requests a short break before cross.


Kaplan is asking about why Burns never moved the backpack, or felt the need move it.

Burns felt again, there were officers in between Mangione and the bag, and he felt like the scene was secure.



Mangione leans back in his chair, touches his chin and watches Burns on the stand. Kaplan is still asking about the backpack, and where Mangione was standing during the search.

Burns says the officers who searched him decided where he would stand.


Kaplan asks if other patrolman ever ask his advice on policies on search and seizures, and he says sometimes.

Kaplan seems to be losing the witness a bit, as it's taking Burns a minute to answer or understand his questioning (Kaplan is speaking a bit fast).


We're watching BWC from 10:03AM where Trent is overheard asking about a warrant.Kaplan has Burns point out another officer saying something about the FBI.Burns responds with the fact that Mangione committed a crime in Pennsylvania, so its search incident to arrest.Kaplan: So the first search warrant doesn't come for hours, right? Like 6pm?Burns: I don't knowKaplan: Did you make any calls to county prosecutors about a warrant?Burns: NoKaplan: And were you there when Officer Wasser found the gun within 5 minutes of being at the station?

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