NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #2

[SRWCF]

Its alleged that unitedhealthcare was using an ai system that was denying claims that should've been approved. You are right about the level of coverage, however the main issue seems to be that the insurance company was refusing to cover things that they were supposed to.

Please correct me if im wrong

That I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if UHC were using AI for that purpose. However, they really cannot deny coverage for procedures, etc. that they are contracted to cover. Meaning, sure, they could initially deny coverage then blame it on the Artificial Intelligence being "faulty" (or using some other excuse), but they would have to eventually go back and reverse the denials if they are contractually obligated to pay them in the first place. Does that make sense? Perhaps it was/is their business model to deny coverage then dispute it (if customers have the appetite to fight with them), then ultimate cover it if customers' lawyers get involved. If that's the way they operate, then it's shady as heck! Sadly, most people do not have the wherewithal (whether that be time, money, patience, or mental capacity) to argue with a gigantic insurance company. All insurance is a scam, IMO.

 

[sportstergirl]

Am I the only one seeing the shooter with a female face ? Check the photos were the mask isn't worn.

 

[Weatbrook]

Are we allowed to layout theories?

The dude looks Canadian. International travelers squat at hostels and Canada is not far for a train ride.

The backpack is huge, he had to come from afar.

Perhaps DNA is being shared with interpol.

 

[honestground]

Does not look like the guy from the video to me.
Also trying to wrap my head around why a shooter would stay in a hostel.

Maybe the hostel accepted cash or PayPal for payment, circumventing ID and credit card requirement?

Right? It doesn't really look like the same person to me but LE must know it is.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

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This was shared with me last night as my contact recognized the gun

Apparently they market this weapon as “veterinary” use because, with suppressor/silencer it’s obviously an assassin gun but can’t really sell it as that. It’s most quiet when it’s in direct contact with the head of the animal - how it’s meant to be used.

 

[Cryptic]

I think we can pretty much rule out that this is the work of an extremist group. It just seems extremely far-fetched (almost preposterous) to consider that as being a real possibility.

Why would such a motive be far fetched? Access to health care and under what conditions is a "hot button" issue.
The victim was a CEO of a large health care provider.

Another poster mentioned that certain websites are being "lit up" by people posting personal information about other health care CEOs, and / or indirectly encouraging or soliciting similar attacks etc.

The end result, is that there are a good number of people willing to encourage violence against healthcare CEOS for ideological reasons. It stands to reason that there could be a smaller number actually willing to carry out an attack.

 

[jennytrevor]

But they literally have a picture of this guy.

There are have been other crimes with photos where people are never caught. I also said that if they can identify him, they won’t be able to arrest. I personally believe this person will commit suicide or engage in a shootout if they are being closed in on. Could be wrong, he may want to tell his side of the story. Obviously he has a message with his bullets.

 

[Millhouse]

i think this is why we speculate he was working with someone else who had access to Brian's schedule and habits. maybe Brian typically left hotels around 6:45am for 8:00am meetings
jmo

Insight in to his schedule and habits would certainly help but even without that, it would be easy to make an educated guess. It's unlikely he'd be leaving at say, 6am. And he definitely needs to be there by 8am. I feel like the shooter was really only working with an appx 90 minute window, maybe less.

I plan hotel-based meetings like this in a different industry. IMO, I would also guess the room opened up to the investors/guests for breakfast by 7:30 at the latest, maybe even 7. BT would likely want to be there to eat and network with those that came ahead of the 8am start time. Or, there was other staff there to set up starting around 7. Just speculation of course- I have no insight in to schedule- but would guess that his timeline was a bit earlier than an 8am arrival.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Am I the only one seeing the shooter with a female face ? Check the photos were the mask isn't worn.

The photo of the suspect without the mask has visible facial hair a bit more than a 5 o’clock shadow.

 

[TTF14]

Let's focus on possibilities that make sense. As for the insider trading angle ~ that seems a bit far-fetched (yes, its possible, anything is possible, but far-fetched.) The wife being a murderer also less than likely (many of the folks here have clearly been watching way too many crime tv shows !!!)

I'm not accusing the wife at all, but a spouse being responsible for murder isn't all that far fetched. Just the opposite, in my opinion. Most murder victims are killed by people they know, and murder for hire, even by a woman (hello Donna Adelson), isn't unheard of.

As always, IMO.

 

[Sunshynn]

After fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, here's what we know

Details are emerging after a gunman shot and killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside of a Manhattan hotel. Here's what we know.

www.cbsnews.com

Sounds like someone who knew, knew he'd be there early. I'm assuming it was his usual way of doing things.....get there early to welcome everyone else. As the head honcho, this would be a logical "good will" type of move.

So, according to this article:

"..Thompson was not a guest at the Hilton hotel, Tisch said. He had been staying at the Marriott across the street and was headed to the Hilton on Wednesday morning for the conference, which was set to begin at 8 a.m. Kenny said police had reached out to Thompson's colleagues for guidance as to why he was going early to the meeting, but suggested the CEO may have intended to help set up for the event, which UnitedHealthcare canceled after the shooting."

I don't know if he always helped set up before meetings or not. Moo.

 

[Vaderman]

Am I the only one seeing the shooter with a female face ? Check the photos were the mask isn't worn.

I thought the face looked feminine in the one where the individual is smiling.

 

[Calisto]

Inside accomplice or no accomplice, the gunman had no way of knowing that the CEO would not have security with him. Everyone knows that high profile CEOs very often have security. So, we can only assume that in his planning, the gunman had to assume that there was a high degree of likliehood that the CEO would be traveling with one or more security people. Was the gunman doing this with the idea that there is a very good chance that the assassination would involve him in having to go up against security ????

 

[NervousNellie]

Sounds like someone who knew, knew he'd be there early. I'm assuming it was his usual way of doing things.....get there early to welcome everyone else. As the head honcho, this would be a logical "good will" type of move.

So, who all was aware of his usual M.O.?

as always, my opinion only

His assistant is likely the only other person that knows the details of his daily agenda. I would bet he was exactly where he was scheduled to be. IMO

 

[SRWCF]

I respectfully disagree that luck had anything to do with the timing.

There was a bystander, leaning against the wall of the building and within feet of the shooting. The assassin did not flinch or care.

The timing seems precise. My opinion.

jmo

He was scheduled to speak at an investors meeting. It's super easy to find specific meeting details online (location, start/end times, speaker names, etc.). So, if he knew the meeting start time, one can figure a speaker would show up around an hour prior, especially if the meeting will be serving breakfast. All the assassin had to really know was the exact hotel BT would be staying at. Find the meeting location, then start to call the hotels in the vicinity and ask for BT, or "Is this the hotel the UNC staff is staying at for the investors meeting?" I'm sure it's not hard to find an inexperienced hotel front desk employee who would willingly give out that information without a second thought.

 

[TTF14]

His assistant is likely the only other person that knows the details of his daily agenda. I would bet he was exactly where he was scheduled to be. IMO

I would imagine all of his colleagues would know if he was the type to "always" arrive early to events like this.

I can't imagine a disgruntled insurance customer having any clue what his usual pattern was with regard to arriving at meetings early, on time, or late.

 

[Deleted member 349831]

I'm not accusing the wife at all, but a spouse being responsible for murder isn't all that far fetched. Just the opposite, in my opinion. Most murder victims are killed by people they know, and murder for hire, even by a woman (hello Donna Adelson), isn't unheard of.

Exactly. It would explain why the killer's bullets had an easy explanation for the murder.

 

[Inthedetails]

Let's focus on possibilities that make sense. As for the insider trading angle ~ that seems a bit far-fetched (yes, its possible, anything is possible, but far-fetched.) The wife being a murderer also less than likely (many of the folks here have clearly been watching way too many crime tv shows !!!)

Welcome to Websleuths. I see you are new.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Inside accomplice or no accomplice, the gunman had no way of knowing that the CEO would not have security with him. Everyone knows that high profile CEOs very often have security. So, we can only assume that in his planning, the gunman had to assume that there was a high degree of likliehood that the CEO would be traveling with one or more security people. Was the gunman doing this with the idea that there is a very good chance that the assassination would involve him in having to go up against security ????

He had no problem shooting a man in the middle of a city. Why would he have any issues with shooting any additional security forces with him?

 

[Kapua]

Am I the only one seeing the shooter with a female face ? Check the photos were the mask isn't worn.

Check the hands, they are definitely male, IMHO.