NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #4

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One of the panelists, I can’t recall her name but I think she was a behavioral psychologist or something similar, cautioned the others that there was every chance that the suspect had left the bag with the intention of misdirecting the police. She warned that thus far he had seemed to think through each step, …
I like that, EXCEPT, he had two weeks plus of prep in NYC, and he seems to have advance-positioned the e-bike. Let’s put our hypothetical bad guy hats on for a minute. If you had the foresight to stash the e-bike, would you have the Jason Bourne-type foresight to drop, oh, 10, or 20, or 50 identical backpacks in wooded areas around the CP carousel, filling them with all kinds of random crap that would give profilers fits? This leads me to the hypothesis that this shooter had training but not a lot of cash. The hostel thing - this was an assassin on a budget. My $0.02.
 
  • #42
A part of me is wondering if the backpack is gonna be like Al Capones vault…I would have dropped that gun in a sewer or trash can vs. put it in a backpack and leave it in a park…
It looks to me like the backpack is full, though (from the photo that I have seen). Attached is a photo of it.
 

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  • #43
The NYPD did well to trace him to the hostel so quickly, assuming that’s really the shooter.
It has to be the shooter. Can you imagine you are some innocent dude just staying at a hostel and your picture is put out there by the police as the suspect in this murder. Do you just go along with your life and ignore it or do you call police ASAP and tell them you are not the shooter. After meeting with them, they agree and they put out the word that these images are not the shooter.
 
  • #44
Perhaps he did! I see that though and the look - I see a man smiling for the cameras. There is a certain amount of swagger going on here, justifiably, as it turns out, because we are 72+ hours from this crime and this man rode, literally, through the center of the greatest city on the planet — and it’s the American public’s guess who he is.
‘Swagger’ is right. A stage performer’s confidence. He seems oblivious to the likely effect on his own life. Why and how? What a mystery.
 
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Perhaps he did! I see that though and the look - I see a man smiling for the cameras. There is a certain amount of swagger going on here, justifiably, as it turns out, because we are 72+ hours from this crime and this man rode, literally, through the center of the greatest city on the planet — and it’s the American public’s guess who he is.
It is the kind of audacity I have never seen before. A very unique character.
 
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There’s a low-cost shuttle service that just does back-and-forth trips across the George Washington Bridge. It goes from the small uptown bus station that the suspect was seen entering after the murder and goes aross to Fort Lee just on the other side of the bridge, and does this round trip all day. Back in the day it only cost a dollar per ride and everyone called it “the dollar van”. It was cash only and no one would pay attention to each other. It was used by a lot of laborers and college students and other folks that relied on cheaper public transport options. This seems like it would be a great way for the suspect to get out of Manhattan, versus taking one of the more established bus companies like NJ Transit or Greyhound or Coach. Pay cash, get on quickly, get out of town quickly, and no one is paying attention to you.

 
  • #48
It is the kind of audacity I have never seen before. A very unique character.
It is a preternatural calm. Maybe not a trained hit man (for whatever that means) but a man who immaculately prepared for what he executed.
 
  • #49
There’s a low-cost shuttle service that just does back-and-forth trips across the George Washington Bridge. It goes from the small uptown bus station that the suspect was seen entering after the murder and goes aross to Fort Lee just on the other side of the bridge, and does this round trip all day. Back in the day it only cost a dollar per ride and everyone called it “the dollar van”. It was cash only and no one would pay attention to each other. It was used by a lot of laborers and college students and other folks that relied on cheaper public transport options. This seems like it would be a great way for the suspect to get out of Manhattan, versus taking one of the more established bus companies like NJ Transit or Greyhound or Coach. Pay cash, get on quickly, get out of town quickly, and no one is paying attention to you.

YES. Slang for this now is Megabus. They were one company that did it, I think they may now be bankrupt, but it’s like Xerox or like Bausch & Lomb - the brand became the verb: I think this guy Megabussed to either Stewart or PA.
 
  • #50
He might still have the gun. There was a description of how easily this model can be dismantled into pieces. He could have had the components hidden on his body, in pockets, his socks or whatever. Nobody would notice on the bus. Just as long as he didn't take a flight.
Just seems to me that a killer on the run wouldn't want to dispose of his weapon.
Just a thought.
Tomorrow we'll know whether it's in the backpack or not.
 
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YES. Slang for this now is Megabus. They were one company that did it, I think they may now be bankrupt, but it’s like Xerox or like Bausch & Lomb - the brand became the verb: I think this guy Megabussed to either Stewart or PA.
No the shuttle I’m talking about is different from Megabus and is called Express Service and is still listed as an operation on the GWB bus station website. The Megabus, as you mention, is a different bus company that goes longer distances. I included a Wikipedia link in my previous post about Express Service.
 
  • #52
The suicide discussion helped me get to the root of why this case is so interesting to me.

If you murder someone, especially in encroaching daylight in one of the most populous cities in the world, by definition it seems you have little to lose. You have to accept (and honestly expect) that you will be caught. As a result, many shooters under these circumstances would take their own lives or surrender on the scene. You have to imagine that he's let go of many of the ties that bind him to his daily life in order to commit this murder.

Yet his actions suggest someone with much to lose. He carefully concealed his face. He arrived in the city via one of the lease traceable methods in modern society. He seemed to carefully plan the shooting. He had the burner phone, the fake ID, he paid in cash.

So which is it? Did he honestly expect to get away with this crime (impossible, IMO). That thought seems so irrational, yet the execution was so methodical and rational-as much as a murder can be.

I find myself invested in knowing not just the why, but also the end game. If he thought he'd get away, how? And if he didn't care whether he got away, why go to such trouble to do so?
There are very few killers who fascinate me, but this one is right up there. He planned this like a Hollywood assassin would plan his crime, and that's just something I've never seen in a real life case.

He did this in a public place. He did it with a weapon that resonates with any movie watcher. He did it in full view of surveillance cameras.

This was absolutely painstaking. Long bus journeys. Spending days in uncomfortable accommodations. The tediousness of wearing a mask and hood constantly, no matter the situation. Scouting the hotel. Scouting the park. Scouting a location where he could stash a bike, after somehow obtaining it. He planned his entry. He planned his exit. He knew where his victim was going to be, and when he was going to be there. He was remarkably disciplined.

I continue to believe his motive was a grievance against that company, but there was a lot of fantasy at play here as well. He didn't have to use that particular gun to carry out this crime. He didn't have to mark those bullets for that purpose either. Those were psychologically necessary to him though; his signature. His message.

Of course movies aren't real life, and "the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry." And go awry they did.

So yes, I believe that he believed he could get away with this. I think the fantasy became reality the second he pulled that trigger, and everything went downhill from there.

Hence the water bottle. Hence the cell phone. Hence that backpack.

He intended to commit the perfect crime, but made the mistake of committing it in the wrong century. "FAFO" as the kids say. He's on the verge of the "find out" part.

I hope he's taken alive, because there are questions that only he can answer. And I'd love to know those answers.
 
  • #53
No the shuttle I’m talking about is different from Megabus and is called Express Service and is still listed as an operation on the GWB bus station website. The Megabus, as you mention, is a different bus company that goes longer distances. I included a Wikipedia link in my previous post about Express Service.
You’re completely factually right, I’m using the Megabus term as a verb to describe these companies in the same sense that people use Xerox as a verb to copy something, even when the machine they use is made by another company. In NYC people in this age bracket talk about Megabus, they mean, using any random company to hop a cheap bus to a location hundreds of miles away, and hopefully that cheap bus has a decent bathroom and reliable WiFi. I hope this helps. I think this guy Megabussed.
 
  • #54
This case truly is the most fascinating I’ve seen in my WS years, and the reason has a lot to do with the fact that I’ve walked that exact spot 500+ times, I work in finance in NYC. Imagine if this case had gone down along your normal commute. That’s where I’m at.

If the shooter had been truly Jason Bourne about it: he had two weeks of prep. Imagine if he had dropped 50 identical backpacks full of randomness all over that area of CP. What this case is hammering home to me is strikingly similar to what 9/11 showed us all: we are all vulnerable. It’s not impossible to trigger a huge social effect. … SCARY

He left GWB PA Bus on a bus, no video of him exiting; … in all likelihood he crossed the GWB on a bus and crossed into Jersey … my table-stakes bet is that he either flew out of Stewart or he hit some megabus and took Route 80 out to Pennsylvania. He got out of here somehow. I am fascinated by this suspect and his unrushed nature; I don’t necessarily see a pro, but a great pro wouldn’t present himself so obviously. If he’s a pro, we are three days later and he’s unknown, so he’s a decent one. And my heart hurts for Thompson’s kids and for his family.
Well said. As a fellow New Yorker (who similarly knows this area fairly well), I don’t think most people realize how uniquely tricky this was to pull off
 
  • #55
I like that, EXCEPT, he had two weeks plus of prep in NYC, and he seems to have advance-positioned the e-bike. Let’s put our hypothetical bad guy hats on for a minute. If you had the foresight to stash the e-bike, would you have the Jason Bourne-type foresight to drop, oh, 10, or 20, or 50 identical backpacks in wooded areas around the CP carousel, filling them with all kinds of random crap that would give profilers fits? This leads me to the hypothesis that this shooter had training but not a lot of cash. The hostel thing - this was an assassin on a budget. My $0.02.
I honestly doubt he sprinkled backpacks around the city--it just doesn't seem super in character for this guy, and we don't have any video evidence of him from prior days sporting different packs (the pack he wore was rare-ish, and buying a bunch of them would be detectable to LE...). But I did consider the notion that he could be depositing them around Gotham like some megavillain out of a Batman comic (The Stoodent strikes again!)...

I do think compared to most, he had so much money. A very expensive weapon, perfect teeth, higher end clothing (his jacket alone cost $695), a $400 backpack... I think he chose his transport and lodging not to save money, but pretty carefully to avoid detection--where he could get away with using undetected fake IDs, pay cash, come and go unencumbered.

But moreover, he comes across as a killer "for the people" with his anti-insurance messaging, and the the hostel/bus/e-bike/train. I honestly think it's a very carefully crafted image, right down to the words on the bullets. No sooner did people hear the words "CEO United Healthcare murdered" than began the jokes...

This may be one of our first "celebrity killer", honestly, if not the first. A blend of reality TV and Robin Hoodism, made possible buy the clear video of the crime transpiring, that is terribly scary because yes, as you say, we are all vulnerable--and not all would be criminals of this ilk will be as precise in hitting only his chosen target.
 
  • #56
Well said. As a fellow New Yorker (who similarly knows this area fairly well), I don’t think most people realize how uniquely tricky this was to pull off
Did you also read “Zeigfried Alley” and think, this guy was no mere tourist? Uniquely tricky is the perfect way of putting it.
 
  • #57
assuming that’s really the shooter.
LE has to be confident the image they share to the public is someone they need for their investigation (whether witness, “POI”, suspect etc). not necessarily just because it could ruin a random innocent persons life but because if there’s just a chance it could be related to the case, it would cause a major headache and so much unnecessary work for them on leads that could be completely useless.

Trust, when LE puts out information publicly, they are 100% (or darn close to it) that it’s meaningful and part of the investigation!
 
  • #58
LE has to be confident the image they share to the public is someone they need for their investigation (whether witness, “POI”, suspect etc). not necessarily just because it could ruin a random innocent persons life but because if there’s just a chance it could be related to the case, it would cause a major headache and so much unnecessary work for them on leads that could be completely useless.

Trust, when LE puts out information publicly, they are 100% (or darn close to it) that it’s meaningful and part of the investigation!
Yes. That’s exactly what the LE experts said on CNN earlier. They would never have put out those images unless they were absolutely positive.

They wouldn’t have looked at those videos and said “these guys are probably the same guy.”

They would have pieced it together from other footage that confirmed that (following his movements on surveillance footage).

One thing that helped tremendously was him staying at that hostel. That gave them a starting point and a finishing point each day.
 
  • #59
You’re completely factually right, I’m using the Megabus term as a verb to describe these companies in the same sense that people use Xerox as a verb to copy something, even when the machine they use is made by another company. In NYC people in this age bracket talk about Megabus, they mean, using any random company to hop a cheap bus to a location hundreds of miles away, and hopefully that cheap bus has a decent bathroom and reliable WiFi. I hope this helps. I think this guy Megabussed.
Fair but I’m specifically trying to highlight Express Service because of its short distance and purpose to just get people across the bridge quickly. On the Megabus-style rides you’re describing there’s usually someone from the bus company checking passengers in and people tend to have to wait around longer for those busses because they come less frequently so there’s more time for riders, bus driver, second helper to notice other riders - not to mention that the rides themselves are longer so there’s more time to observe other riders. On the Express Service shuttles they come so frequently that there’s less waiting around with other riders, and the other riders will not pay attention to you.
 
  • #60
I honestly doubt he sprinkled backpacks around the city--it just doesn't seem super in character for this guy, and we don't have any video evidence of him from prior days sporting different packs (the pack he wore was rare-ish, and buying a bunch of them would be detectable to LE...). But I did consider the notion that he could be depositing them around Gotham like some megavillain out of a Batman comic (The Stoodent strikes…
Absolutely agree that he didn’t. My perspective is that I’m surprised that he didn’t. A man with this much prep, weeks - arrived in NYC before Thanksgiving - I’m surprised we’re not seeing major decoy theatric. What LE is finding seems … impulsive? (Bag dropped near the carousel, water bottle in trash …) - I don’t believe this man is impulsive. So I wonder what’s really going on.
 
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