NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #4

[eddie_van]

NYPD has done an amazing job and I imagine they still are. But they must know his name after all of the buses photos hostels etc ? I realize he gave fake id etc they must know his name by now and his movements and are just not sharing till they make an arrest???

what makes you think they know his name by now? best thing they have is a partial pic of his face. unless they get a useful tip, they're kinda in a bad spot.

 

[Kapua]

NYPD has done an amazing job and I imagine they still are. But they must know his name after all of the buses photos hostels etc ? I realize he gave fake id etc they must know his name by now and his movements and are just not sharing till they make an arrest???

I am certain that NYPD and the FBI are doing incredible work. However, the shooter had a good head start for openers. Also, I've been thinking: if he had one fake ID, who's to say he didn't have one or two more? I don't think it will take LE long to figure out who he is. Figuring out where he is could take a bit longer. One other late night/early morning thought: It might be easy to get a fake domestic ID. (I've never had one, but some say it's not that hard to get one.) But getting a fake passport could be far more challenging. Again, this is not my area of expertise. At first, I thought oh, he's on the first plane out of the country. Now, I am not so sure. He could have taken up residence in Arizona with his other fake ID and changed his appearance. JMHO.

 

[Stargazer90]

I personally don't see why a motive of a dying relative who didn't get a claim approved would be viable. Some are painting the perpetrator as a disgruntled family member of someone who has a terminal illness and whose claims got denied by UHC and hence the family is now in debt and fell on a hard time etc...

It's not viable. No one like that would have access to all his information. Period.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Very open to hearing and learning from other theories!

What about a member of a hard-left or anarchist group engaging in overt violent action against the capitalist system as a whole or the healthcare sector generally. From the viewpoint of an outsider, the US healthcare system could well stand as a poster child for big capitalism, in which case Thompson could have been targeted as the CEO of one of the largest and most controversial companies in the sector rather than this being the result of a personal grudge.

Or alternatively: it appears that much of the current dissatisfaction with UHC relates to its use of AI in handling claims. Maybe this is anti-tech in a Ted Kaczynski sort of way.

 

[getthefax]

That’s not how AI works…

I’m always so curious when someone makes a blanket statement like that without additional information.

AI models are trained on data sets, of which there are zillions available in our field of choice (murder), to look for patterns. Models are being used right now to profile serial killers, sort through suspect images, identify tips that are more or less likely to be legitimate; machines can watch for and identify erratic human behavior in crowds, detect micro amounts of odorants in the atmosphere via nanotubules… the applications are endless.

AI models can be trained to analyze all sorts of information. Fact.

 

[Stargazer90]

NYPD has done an amazing job and I imagine they still are. But they must know his name after all of the buses photos hostels etc ? I realize he gave fake id etc they must know his name by now and his movements and are just not sharing till they make an arrest???

That's what I'm thinking. I bet they've had so many tips and someone knows who he is.

 

[GRT]

There is the impassioned free-radical group. They theorize this is the kid or boyfriend of someone who died of a terrible disease surrounded by coverage denials, and they are avenging the pain, Joan of Arc style. That’s actually the theory I go with.

Respectfully snipped for focus...

This is Occam's Razor theory, and I keep coming back to it, but the intense level of planning and preparation exceeds what we normally see with emotional revenge killings.

How does the average guy find out a certain CEO will be attending a certain conference at a certain time in a certain city?

And, if it was an emotional revenge killing, why not confront the CEO and say, "This is for my mother who died because you wouldn't cover her treatment." The killer went to all that trouble but didn't set it up to where the victim knew why he was dying.

That's what tips it toward an assassination in my mind. The thing with the e-bike seems to suggest that someone else might have been involved.

I dunno. It sure is odd.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

He took insane, unnecessary ricks to commit some sort of a hit. He could have done this with a real chance of getting away with it, by simply hitting BT in his home state, where there aren't cameras on every building and in every corner.

Or, the hit was done where it was precisely because of the cameras "on every building and in every corner". It had to be witnessed by others and seen and recorded for posterity.

 

[Mr applebee]

I personally don't see why a motive of a dying relative who didn't get a claim approved would be viable. Some are painting the perpetrator as a disgruntled family member of someone who has a terminal illness and whose claims got denied by UHC and hence the family is now in debt and fell on a hard time etc... this does absolutely not line up with the perpetrator's apparent lifestyle. His clothes, choice of weapon and bags are not cheap. With that sort of money to spend he could have helped a family member financially to begin with. I think this is a lot more personal in relation to the victim directly

I don’t agree with that. There are plenty of people walking around in expensive clothes who wouldn’t be able to afford tens of thousands in medical bills. Some individuals save up to buy things they wouldn’t be able to afford on a whim. They might have a credit card for those purchases or could have inherited money. Additionally, it wouldn’t matter if you were completely poor or a millionaire if your health insurance company has ripped you off. You’d still feel the same sense of injustice and anger if, after paying your monthly premiums for that insurance, the company denied your claim and refused to honor their side of the bargain. I don’t think the guy's choice of clothing tells us anything other than that he likes nice things.

 

[andalso]

I am certain that NYPD and the FBI are doing incredible work. However, the shooter had a good head start for openers. Also, I've been thinking: if he had one fake ID, who's to say he didn't have one or two more? I don't think it will take LE long to figure out who he is. Figuring out where he is could take a bit longer. One other late night/early morning thought: It might be easy to get a fake domestic ID. (I've never had one, but some say it's not that hard to get one.) But getting a fake passport could be far more challenging. Again, this is not my area of expertise. At first, I thought oh, he's on the first plane out of the country. Now, I am not so sure. He could have taken up residence in Arizona with his other fake ID and changed his appearance. JMHO.

Would he need a fake passport? If they don't know who he is, due to using fake ID elsewhere, then his passport could be real.

 

[Kapua]

Would he need a fake passport? If they don't know who he is, due to using fake ID elsewhere, then his passport could be real.

Once LE figures out who he is, he would be found easily if he's traveling abroad with his real passport. When I visited Peru, for example, I had to present my passport just to get on a bus.

 

[GRT]

Or, the hit was done where it was precisely because of the cameras "on every building and in every corner". It had to be witnessed by others and seen and recorded for posterity.

This is reasonable.

The killer had surveillance awareness--he knew how to avoid cameras, and he used a fake ID. His escape route seems planned and he used symbolic messaging with the casings.

He left very little to chance--it makes sense he knew the cameras were there and that they would record the act.

 

[CamilleBSP]

What about a member of a hard-left or anarchist group engaging in overt violent action against the capitalist system as a whole or the healthcare sector generally. From the viewpoint of an outsider, the US healthcare system could well stand as a poster child for big capitalism, in which case Thompson could have been targeted as the CEO of one of the largest and most controversial companies in the sector rather than this being the result of a personal grudge.

Or alternatively: it appears that much of the current dissatisfaction with UHC relates to its use of AI in handling claims. Maybe this is anti-tech in a Ted Kaczynski sort of way.

Hard left but dripped out (as in wearing really expensive clothing)? I doubt it!
Couldn’t be less anti-capitalist, IMO!

 

[detective.moon]

What about a member of a hard-left or anarchist group engaging in overt violent action against the capitalist system as a whole or the healthcare sector generally. From the viewpoint of an outsider, the US healthcare system could well stand as a poster child for big capitalism,

sbm

i lean towards an idealistic motive, but i don’t think this guy could describe himself as an anticapitalist. the clothes and backpack he wears, visiting mcdonalds and starbucks, etc.

many leftist activists also boycott starbucks and mcdonalds for reasons to do with israel and gaza.

if it has to do with idealism, i think it’s specifically about the healthcare insurance system.

 

[CamilleBSP]

I’m always so curious when someone makes a blanket statement like that without additional information.

AI models are trained on data sets, of which there are zillions available in our field of choice (murder), to look for patterns. Models are being used right now to profile serial killers, sort through suspect images, identify tips that are more or less likely to be legitimate; machines can watch for and identify erratic human behavior in crowds, detect micro amounts of odorants in the atmosphere via nanotubules… the applications are endless.

AI models can be trained to analyze all sorts of information. Fact.

Well, I was only trying not to flood the thread with a long winded text about my personal experience while using AI to help me assert if something is true or not, because I don’t have any links to provide and the rules are that if I don’t have links, I can’t post about it.

Would be happy to take this talk somewhere else where I could explain my point to you, but maybe after I get some sleep (haven’t had any tonight).

 

[GRT]

The bullet casings send a message of revenge against the insurance industry for not paying medical claims, but what if that's a distraction?

BT (and other execs) were facing a lawsuit for insider trading. What if BT was going to spill the beans? That would paint a big red X on his forehead.

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was facing a lawsuit accusing him and other executives of insider trading related to an ongoing Justice Department investigation before he was fatally shot outside a New York City hotel on Wednesday.
Thompson, 50, was one of three UnitedHealth Group executives named in a class action lawsuit filed in May that accused them of dumping millions of dollars worth of stock while the company was the subject of a federal antitrust investigation, which investors say wasn’t immediately disclosed to shareholders.

All JMOO...

 

[krikken]

Hard left but dripped out (as in wearing really expensive clothing)? I doubt it!
Couldn’t be less anti-capitalist, IMO!

Capitalism is precisely about scaling and leveraging and mass production. Not so much one individual wearing unusual high-value items to blend in in a cosmopolitan setting.

 

[CamilleBSP]

I’m always so curious when someone makes a blanket statement like that without additional information.

AI models are trained on data sets, of which there are zillions available in our field of choice (murder), to look for patterns. Models are being used right now to profile serial killers, sort through suspect images, identify tips that are more or less likely to be legitimate; machines can watch for and identify erratic human behavior in crowds, detect micro amounts of odorants in the atmosphere via nanotubules… the applications are endless.

AI models can be trained to analyze all sorts of information. Fact.

Btw, IMO this has nothing to do with ransomware attacks as you might think it does, but I’m not a verified expert to debunk this here.

 

[Rush4087]

but does that align with using a nearly $6000 gun? idk, i think the hostel was intentionally chosen as opposed to financially decided

A few current online prices: The Silencer Shop $1999.00, Capitol Armory $2184.00, Arms Unlimited $1999.00, Grab-A-Gun. $2155.99. Still expensive

 

[girlhasnoname]

I am behind the bus escape theory.
My question is where he might be now, still on a bus?. He is tired, hungry, thirsty and needs shelter from the weather. All this and might know there is a photo of him circulating. Where can he safely go or hide?

JMO

Hi Puzzle8, the shooter could be literally anywhere at this point, hiding in plain sight if he had a 'go bag' that contained items to help disguise his appearance. NYC right now is busier than ever with visitors and the holiday season, although I think he's gone underground or gotten out of the area completely by now.

jmo