NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #4

[Zinn]

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Even the body looks womanly

An early description estimated his height at 6’1”. I don’t know if that estimate has changed since then, but if it’s close to accurate, it’s a rare height for a woman. I really don’t see it.

 

[armchairagatha]

I keep thinking about the fact he was in NYC for 10 days before this occurred. Seems so off to me. I can see arriving a few days before, but 10? Seems excessive and also hard to be away from everyday life that long without someone noticing or thinking it’s a bit odd.

Personally, I think he’s a student. He would’ve already had time away from class over Thanksgiving, then gave some excuse to extend his time away from class for a few more days. His family likely doesn’t live nearby, and probably doesn’t even know he hasn’t been on campus.

This doesn’t compute. If he is a student in the US, someone would have outed him by now.

 

[Kittybunny]

I’m sorry I’m just really not understanding how people view this person as a woman. I find this be a very clear man.

Agree. They also estimate his height at 6’1” which while certainly possible for a woman would be highly unusual. The “it’s a woman” is odd to me in the same way that people assume he’s a foreigner because he has dark eyebrows or high cheekbones or something. Have people looked around at their fellow Americans lately? There is an astonishing amount of diversity. We are a nation of immigrants. Do only people with blond hair and blue eyes classify as having “American” features?

 

[SleuthJan]

It boils down to AI not having any internal reasoning and being a bad judge of facts.
What I did was basically input some exam questions into it and see it fumble the answers or answer different things at different times, or give a different answer with more context added to it.
So I don’t think AI would be particularly good for assessing truthfulness in tips.

MOO

They might have their own parameters for validating the credibility of a tip - they could look for certain words that indicate someone saw/heard something in first person vs second person. Or a tip from a person of authority like a doctor, teacher etc. Apply that to a large data set and you have a first pass of items to validate. Just some examples how they could go about it. MOO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Also could have been adjusting face covering, or he could have pretended to be on phone with that fellow behind him.

exactly...pretending to be on the phone to deflect any interest from the bystander....
I am WAITING to hear some report on the phone... I am banking on it being dead.

 

[armchairagatha]

An early description estimated his height at 6’1”. I don’t know if that estimate has changed since then, but if it’s close to accurate, it’s a rare height for a woman. I really don’t see it.

I saw 5’ 10” somewhere

 

[annpats]

There’s plenty of armed guards at the Chanel store on rodeo drive (as an example), you’d think this place would have a number of them.

Well, that's because Chanel has millions of dollars worth of stock in store.

A hotel (however exclusive it may be) doesn't.

Yes, it may have ultra-high net worth individuals staying there, but the hotel doesn't own them, nor if financially responsible for them, like a store with its stock.

Plus the hotels are probably used to these CEOs and execs sorting out their own security.

That's not to say the Hilton wouldn't have a doorman there to shoo away vagrants, etc. But I can't see it being much more than that.

 

[KaylynnCouture]

This doesn’t compute. If he is a student in the US, someone would have outed him by now.

I tend to agree but you could say that about anything in the US - if he was an employee someone would’ve outed him, his Neighbor, his ex girlfriend, etc etc etc. Someone has to recognize this guy and for whatever reason they haven’t come forward. Unless either a) he’s not from the US or b) he’s in disguise. And the photos being shown don’t actually resemble him at all.

 

[scoodyboo]

I think there is a good possibility that the backpack was found and taken by someone who later dropped it off where they found it once they realized it was THE backpack. I think the DNA on it is likely compromised.

Someone else posted that it could have been covered in leaves that were subsequently blown away. Thursday was windy in NYC.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

I keep thinking about the fact he was in NYC for 10 days before this occurred. Seems so off to me. I can see arriving a few days before, but 10? Seems excessive and also hard to be away from everyday life that long without someone noticing or thinking it’s a bit odd.

Personally, I think he’s a student. He would’ve already had time away from class over Thanksgiving, then gave some excuse to extend his time away from class for a few more days. His family likely doesn’t live nearby, and probably doesn’t even know he hasn’t been on campus.

I'm not sure a student would have that lax of a schedule or be able to spend 10 plus days away during exam time. They'd also likely have classmates and profs coming forward after the face pics were released.

As for how proficient he was, that seemed like someone who knew what they were doing.

 

[MassGuy]

Or, the hit was done where it was precisely because of the cameras "on every building and in every corner". It had to be witnessed by others and seen and recorded for posterity.

That’s exactly what I’m saying; that’s why he chose that location.

He wanted attention, and boy did he get it.

 

[armchairthinker]

I keep thinking about the fact he was in NYC for 10 days before this occurred. Seems so off to me. I can see arriving a few days before, but 10? Seems excessive and also hard to be away from everyday life that long without someone noticing or thinking it’s a bit odd.

Personally, I think he’s a student. He would’ve already had time away from class over Thanksgiving, then gave some excuse to extend his time away from class for a few more days. His family likely doesn’t live nearby, and probably doesn’t even know he hasn’t been on campus.

I figured that was to do with CCTV storage windows. I.e his hostel check in with ID check 10 days prior would probably not be available unless the footage was saved for some reason. Though the fact he rechecked in a day before kind of blows that theory somewhat.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I do not think this person has gone back home. I think that was probably his original plan, but did not account for that much of his face to be shown. At some point on his way home he sees the pictures that have been released and freaks out. He has to change his plan. He has to find somewhere to go. He has to get a disguise. He probably didn't carry enough cash on him for this change of plan. He will have to use a debit or credit card or steal. The FBI probably knows his name by now, just not where he went. It would be easy to avoid detection in a big city with a hat, wig, beard and wearing a covid mask (not like the mask he was wearing). The problem there is big cities are quite expensive. He needs to use cash as well. I think the key to him not getting caught is how much cash he can get to finance his run. I am not sure that was in his original plan

I don’t think money is an issue, he wore high end clothing, had an expensive backpack. Looked like he had plenty of money, plus will have demanded at least 50% of the assassination fee upfront

 

[ReadySet]

I have to admit I've been shocked at the reaction to BT death. I wasn't aware of how much hatred there is for insurance companies, I guess I haven't been paying attention. I didn't even know that UHC had the highest deniability rate. And that is my medicare. Will have to do some thinking about that.

I don't live in NYC but am here visiting family. Last night I was on the subway in Brooklyn and Queens and three quarters, probably more, of the males had on some kind of black hooded jacket. Yes I was giving the side eye.

Conversation with my family member about the situation. They work in a commercial industry where they are in all kinds of venues in Manhattan, especially hotels. They have worked in the Hilton and have worked at all kinds of investors meetings and are sure they have met BT. They are among those who are extremely angry at BT and others with similar jobs.

They (family member and peers) have been shocked at how these CEOs et al just step out of their cars and walk around without security, given how reviled they are . BT et al come across as extremely arrogant. In fact, my family member said "it was probably somebody from my industry that did it" to illustrate the enmity. They said they will never find the killer because people won't help them. Their opinion.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

While this type of crime may be uncharacteristic in the USA, I think it is fairly common in Russia and other countries where top businessmen and politicians are frequently assassinated in public places (on the streets of Moscow for example). I think if we look at it from that angle, it is not that unusual (though doing it on the world stage on live camera might be a first). JMO

Right where my mind has been. Just think of all the brazen poisonings as well... ALWAYS clearly denied, but we always felt they were definitely and blatently poisonings. Nothing has stopped them from happening.

 

[Diddian]

It's been reported widely that UHC did have security for the conference. They just weren't with BT on his walk to the conference.

It would be interesting to know why they weren’t with BT. Were they with other executives also lodging where BT lodged who chose to leave for the Hilton later?

 

[SleuthJan]

While this type of crime may be uncharacteristic in the USA, I think it is fairly common in Russia and other countries where top businessmen and politicians are frequently assassinated in public places (on the streets of Moscow for example). I think if we look at it from that angle, it is not that unusual (though doing it on the world stage on live camera might be a first). JMO

And he might have had experience executing such a crime someplace else, that explains the nonchalantness.

 

[Tampadoc]

A degree of insider info would be needed to know where BT was staying the night prior to the corporate meeting. Also, how did the shooter know BT would arrive at the Hilton more than an hour prior to the 8 AM start? NYC is a very busy and crowded place even at 7 AM, yet the shooter recognized and picked out BT at a peculiarly well-timed moment. He (?she) must have known him better than most. So I am leaning toward disgruntled former [employee, girlfriend, girlfriend's husband, screwed-over business associate, etc].

 

[annpats]

They can't find the suspect. because she `s back into her clothes")

The nose is way too long and imposing on the face, and the jawline is way too big to be a woman.

 

[BrianJohnson]

And he might have had experience executing such a crime someplace else, that explains the nonchalantness.

I am 100% certain he has killed before, probably many times, this was no amateur he was cool and calm as anything, this was just another job for him. He knew what he is doing