NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #4

[arielilane]

I am curious about BT not surrounded by even at least one bodyguard due to telling his wife there were some people that had been threatening him. moo

 

[SleuthJan]

If I were the FBI, I would be spending some quality time in NJ, checking out the coincidences in this story:

1. Fake NJ ID
2. Bus he arrived on that starts in Atlanta also has it's next to the last stop in Newark, NJ
3. Rutger's Law School has the Delay, Deny, Defend book in it's law school curriculum ( the author was on Rutger's staff)
4. Exit timing on bus could also have returned to various points in NJ.
5. He is clearly comfortable and experienced staying in a hostel. He has done this before.

I just have the feeling that the perp is from the Northeast or Greater New York, New Jersey area. If New Jersey, he would likely have made trips into NYC as a student, and probably also stayed in a hostel, although maybe not that one. He was clearly comfortable with the situation in a hostel, and had planned to be as inconspicuous and as isolated as possible. I'm convinced he has stayed in hostels before. He has cash, but he is not spending lavishly. Outside of the weapon, not much more has been expensive, as far as we can say.

I really like the law school theory.

 

[Universecalling]

This is what I see.

https://www.amazon.com/adidas-X_PLRPATH-Sneaker-Black-White/dp/B0BZ5WMSYH/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.P3dmzTgxkWx2j-Lv1Vqz39T6tfywDi1m2-Qe7j3U-tdFhEn3zZAIQ6ABlVIP7FvV-KyHYgWln45FyavDWwddlod9PyJQm-2Urw8pVj3mzTdzUeJqC1wpkU-sBNQsyJoKnmJWc93RQTIkYFJtMlDH6y8Kf13BmvXHPBn5iHG5XYyPahZEN8sS4VvcTavPsseTGiEPRQD3WUXSMvD8r5TDiFh56ryDJIH5a_MOyq3sV_owJEyuK5YVUHctFVd8uLarDa2cT5E9425EYCvel_OlPeiQpUqeN0QovzGP4n29_Yo.B4yEcU96nbTz0wfiaQVeQ0zRa5IgS9uVBtLi305zW8g&dib_tag=se&keywords=adidas+black+and+white+shoes&qid=1733600765&sr=8-4

For some reason I thought they were Adidas Allbirds, can’t remember why.

 

[BrianJohnson]

I am curious about BT not surrounded by even at least one bodyguard due to telling his wife there were some people that had been threatening him. moo

They had been living apart for 18 months, marriage on rocks, am not convinced there was any day to day communication other than sorting out seeing the kids and when, doubt he would give her such information if it existed

 

[SlimPickens]

If it's a burner phone, he was probably careful about a) how he obtained it, b) what apps he used, c) what calls he made and d) how quickly and completely details could be wiped (or encrypted beforehand).

In that case, one remaining danger for him comes once the phone has been linked to him using cellular records from the providers and his known locations. Once that's done and they know the phone's ID (IMEI), he can be tracked if he ever turns that phone on again. There's the risk of DNA when he leaves the phone but if this phone they found is really his, it isn't the only item that offers possible DNA. He seems unconcerned about DNA and relatively unconcerned about other long-term findings but definitely doesn't want his location tracked.

It was a rhetorical question. I meant that I don't think he would've left the phone there had he been using it to coordinate his travel plans (via apps or old school). He would've needed to hold onto it for a little longer than that. However, if he was talking to an accomplice, once the deed was done he'd have had less use for it.

JMO.

 

[docyabut]

Was Brian Thompson’s Killer a Hit Man? Unlikely, Experts Say.​

The murder of Brian Thompson did not appear to have been committed by a coldly calculating professional, according to people who study criminal behavior.

Was Brian Thompson’s Killer a Hit Man? Unlikely, Experts Say

The murder of Brian Thompson did not appear to have been committed by a coldly calculating professional, according to people who study criminal behavior.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Blackieklawless]

I would be really curious to see footage of the hotel lobby that morning. Was an accomplice planted in the lobby to tip off shooter when BT was on the move? Maybe that was the person he was talking to on the burner phone? Video footage of someone on their cell phone sitting in the lobby?

He just had the timing so perfect.

 

[ElizaKate]

If I were the FBI, I would be spending some quality time in NJ, checking out the coincidences in this story:

1. Fake NJ ID
2. Bus he arrived on that starts in Atlanta also has it's next to the last stop in Newark, NJ
3. Rutger's Law School has the Delay, Deny, Defend book in it's law school curriculum ( the author was on Rutger's staff)
4. Exit timing on bus could also have returned to various points in NJ.
5. He is clearly comfortable and experienced staying in a hostel. He has done this before.

I just have the feeling that the perp is from the Northeast or Greater New York, New Jersey area. If New Jersey, he would likely have made trips into NYC as a student, and probably also stayed in a hostel, although maybe not that one. He was clearly comfortable with the situation in a hostel, and had planned to be as inconspicuous and as isolated as possible. I'm convinced he has stayed in hostels before. He has cash, but he is not spending lavishly. Outside of the weapon, not much more has been expensive, as far as we can say.

Yeah there seems to be quite a few NJ links. Could be an intentional throw off but maybe not.

I'm not familiar with fake ID's least of all American fake ID's If an underage student was to get a fake ID for instance would they typically be made for the state you're getting it in?

 

[Mr applebee]

As I said,no proof of an accomplice.

What ifs do not count, life is full of them. What if I didn’t cross the street before being run over, etc etc

If BT had left earlier, it would have happened elsewhere/bit later but this is a what if & doesn’t hold water.

The whole thing is full of what ifs. Him appearing to talk on a phone moments prior to the killing definitely can’t be brushed aside and considered to not “hold water”. To say that he was pretending to talk on the phone as a means to blend in and appear inconspicuous is as much a “what if” as anything else. We don’t now whether he was or wasn’t talking to an accomplice.

 

[Curiousobserver]

If I were the FBI, I would be spending some quality time in NJ, checking out the coincidences in this story:

1. Fake NJ ID
2. Bus he arrived on that starts in Atlanta also has it's next to the last stop in Newark, NJ
3. Rutger's Law School has the Delay, Deny, Defend book in it's law school curriculum ( the author was on Rutger's staff)
4. Exit timing on bus could also have returned to various points in NJ.
5. He is clearly comfortable and experienced staying in a hostel. He has done this before.

I just have the feeling that the perp is from the Northeast or Greater New York, New Jersey area. If New Jersey, he would likely have made trips into NYC as a student, and probably also stayed in a hostel, although maybe not that one. He was clearly comfortable with the situation in a hostel, and had planned to be as inconspicuous and as isolated as possible. I'm convinced he has stayed in hostels before. He has cash, but he is not spending lavishly. Outside of the weapon, not much more has been expensive, as far as we can say.

And this person seemed very familiar with moving around NY.... also, how does a person from Atlanta get a fake ID from NJ.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Am 99% sure there are only 2 realistic possibilities

1) Someone in the company was worried BT would turn whistleblower over the insider trading so arranged to have him killed

2)BT fell out with/owed money to an organised crime gang like Russian mafia and paid the price

 

[nhmemorymaker]

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting timeline: A visual guide to the suspect’s movements before and after Brian Thompson’s killing

As the manhunt for the alleged gunman continues, investigators now believe he may have left New York City by bus.

www.aol.com

I know WS folks always have explanations for non-access. Hope someone will chime in. I can never remember phone info.

It's not determined if the phone belonged to the gunman. Police have not yet been able to gain access to the device.

Also, this timeline does NOT include that 5am sighting. Is it questionable???

 

[chinacat67]

This article is confusing - they say they have the name, but then there is this part:

“We don’t want to release that now,” the mayor said when asked if police have the killer’s name. “If you do, you are basically giving a tip to the person we are seeking and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask. We revealed his face. We’re going to reveal who he is and we’re going to bring him to justice.”

It's political spin.

 

[SlimPickens]

The fake ID angle is interesting for sure. It is not easy to make a certifiable fake ID anymore. If it was a good enough ID to pass scanners, that potentially brings government actors into play - whether it be as small as a local DMV employee or as large as an intelligence agency in another country.

JMO.

 

[rizzo0904]

And this person seemed very familiar with moving around NY.... also, how does a person from Atlanta get a fake ID from NJ.

When I got a fake ID, I bought it Boston and it was for Idaho

 

[Jamara3]

And this person seemed very familiar with moving around NY.... also, how does a person from Atlanta get a fake ID from NJ.

He also left the hostel and checked back in the next day with the fake NJ ID. So i believe that implies he used a different ID for the nights prior? Or somehow checked in without ID previously? I live in a smaller state and actually was not asked to show ID when I recently checked in somewhere, to my relief because I had left my wallet at home by accident. Maybe the hostel even gave him a pass at first without ID but after a few nights said he needed ID or they’d need to kick him out.

That seems to suggest that the night he spent away from the hostel, he spent elsewhere in the city and at the very least acquired a new ID and maybe other items used in the crime.

Does bring me back to thought of an accomplice or organized help. As others have stated, he would not have been able to prepare his weapon or the bullets with the etched words in his shared room at the hostel. Maybe he acquired all of these items that night he left the hostel from a third party.

 

[Friday Fan]

Yeah there seems to be quite a few NJ links. Could be an intentional throw off but maybe not.

I'm not familiar with fake ID's least of all American fake ID's If an underage student was to get a fake ID for instance would they typically be made for the state you're getting it in?

I changed my birthdate by a year on my military (dependent's) ID. I used correct-tape and a typewriter. However, this was in 1973 and for drinking purposes only.

If you think of why he would be obtaining one, I bet there are numerous black market options available. Just send your picture and I'm sure they will make it for any state. So, I'm skeptical about a true NJ connection. Could be, but just the fake ID doesn't imply that he's from NJ.

 

[Mr applebee]

Am 99% sure there are only 2 realistic possibilities

1) Someone in the company was worried BT would turn whistleblower over the insider trading so arranged to have him killed

2)BT fell out with/owed money to an organised crime gang like Russian mafia and paid the price

Or a p*ssed off customer of his company decided to take matters into his own hands.

 

[getthefax]

LE believes it was a B&T Station Six - 9, not the VP-9

MSN

Thank you for this. I saw this article, and do appreciate it, but I’m still holding out for confirmation once they find it.

The Station 6 is larger, and
the VP9 has the advantage of disassembly. We saw the killer begin to disassemble the weapon almost immediately after the shooting… VP9 is designed to be easily concealed or disposed of as it breaks down into three pieces.

 

[Blackieklawless]

And this person seemed very familiar with moving around NY.... also, how does a person from Atlanta get a fake ID from NJ.

Assuming he just picked NJ for a fake ID state due to proximity to NY? And maybe would seem more “casually visiting the city” as opposed to looking like you traveled across the country or world to be there? Not sure.

When you make a fake ID, can’t you just pick the state you want the ID to be from?