PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[MassGuy]

Really good analysis by GH. He has 37 seconds that could put BK and DD driver in the same place. At 3:57.

Maybe, he says, BK made DD driver uncomfortable. Waited two minutes before getting out of her car, after BK drives away (because she parked by him).

It fits with his earlier videos but fills in some gaps.

Really eerie...

The DD driver's presence explains BK's peculiar movements.


25 minutes, FYI GH protects the identity of the DD driver's identity

Holy crap, I guess this is totally plausible after all.

Good on LE keeping a lid on this.

 

[mickey2942]

Maddening.

Because life is messy. People have messy lives. The DD driver didn't ask to be part of BK's drama. Any more than DM, BF, EC. AT wants to discredit them for being human.

Shame enough on social media for doing it, for villianizing survivors.

It's too easy to Monday morning quarterback.

If XK heard sounds, why didn't she call 911? (I ask this not as my question but in keeping with contrarians who insist on right actions based only on hindsight's perspective.) Why didn't DM and BF call 911 right away? They didn't know four friends had been murdered, they were surely indoctrinated in a college town/ college house culture where you don't call/invite the cops, but there is a ton of unfairness directed at them, for not being IMO omnipotent. Had DM opened her door with more force/speed, she might have been killed, BF too. Had she and BF ventured upstairs together to look, and then called 911, naysayers would say they should have called 911, then went to look. Too easy to make assumptions about what they should ir shouldn't have done. It's not fair to assign them foreknowledge they didn't have.

AT wants the jury to ho easy on BK, after all he couldn't tie his own shoelace 20+ years ago and he might be on the spectrum, might have OCD, might have ADHD. But discount everything the witnesses say because they're mere mortals...

Jurors will see through it. Witnesses don't have to be  perfect to be credible.

Their combined testimony, however, will convict BK perfectly.

JMO

Reminds me of that poor guy who found Caylee Anthony, Ray Kronk.

After what he went through, who would want to even report anything suspicious? Same as that guy who reported the Atlanta Bombing, Richard Jewell. Practically destroyed that guy's life.

 

[Megnut]

Holy crap, I guess this is totally plausible after all.

Good on LE keeping a lid on this.

GH guesses a few places BK may have parked, based on the DD's statements. He has her saying: I saw Bryan. He was by the house. I parked right next to him. His car is in the street, he's by me.
(I think that means parked on the street, vs in a lot.)

Per GH: BK completes his 3rd loop, parks this time. On the street. 3:57.40ish. DD is delivered at 3:59. GH guesses she arrived at 3:58 or so. Sees Bryan so doesn't get out.*

He s]ees her and drives away...DD hits key fob, makes delivery at 3:59, hits fob again.

BK leaves, does a u turn, drives quickly around again, then makes his 4th pass, and she's likely gone when he parks around 4:08/9.

* For those who are mindful of the seeming risk of single women delivering DD in the middle of the night, this is chilling. Very credible that she was spooked by BK and didn't exit her car until he drove away.

It syncs perfectly with time that BK was near 1122 but wasn't on camera, less that a minute...

13m mark he's talking about this

 

[Ghostwheel]

Meh, I think this theory assumes that danger is only based on attraction and we know it's not. Men or women, no matter the age, take risks in food delivery. That's especially true at 4 am.

That said, the economy is what it is and men and women have been taking up all kinds of second (or primary) jobs to make ends meet. That includes overnight DD. For all we know, she's a mom and chooses to do this overnight so she can spend time with her kiddos during the day. Or maybe she works a full-time job during the day and does this on the weekend nights to bring in extra cash. Or maybe it's a temporary gig to save up for something, like a house downpayment or something. People do what they need to do to survive, even if it poses risk of danger.

MOO.

I said considerably more issues and only because as a young person, one might not have had the experience not to go INTO a house, even if the DD rules says not to. Or would not know how to to avoid interacting with drunk, obnoxious people. In general, young people feel more invincible than older people do. There is a time in your life when you realize you aren't going to live forever and are more cautious. I said nothing about attraction.

 

[AcerPacer]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, this DUI interview happened 8 months ago? And the lady said "this" whilst still possibly under the influence? And are we thinking the Probergers are saying she's said it during this interview to try garner some pity and a little leniency regarding her DUI charge and she's lying ??

I know there has been some absolutely bonkers craziness come out of the SM woodwork following these murders but really..would someone REALLY say they were the DDD in a police interview and on camera if they weren't?

MOO and JMO of course

 

[SteveP]

Really good analysis by GH. He has 37 seconds that could put BK and DD driver in the same place. At 3:57.

Maybe, he says, BK made DD driver uncomfortable. Waited two minutes before getting out of her car, after BK drives away (because she parked by him).

It fits with his earlier videos but fills in some gaps.

Really eerie...

The DD driver's presence explains BK's peculiar movements.


25 minutes, FYI GH protects the identity of the DD driver's identity

This woman's initials are MM, and there is a court doc that I have seen, although, wouldn't you know that I cannot put my fingers on it atm, but it included a list of names, by initials of people that BK claimed to have had no connection to in any way. They were listed as the four victims, KG, MM, XK, EC, plus the two surviving roommates, DM, BF, and HJ and EA, who were called to the house that morning, and included another MM, designated as MM (Not Madison Mogen) DD. I absolutely believe she was the DD driver at 1122 King Rd that morning, and I am inclined to believe her story as it pertains to BK. JMO

 

[Fleur-de-lis]

Okay, regarding the DD driver -- is she on the witness list? Is she listed as going to give testimony at the trial? Anyone know? TY. If she's NOT on any witness list, well...what does that even mean?

Adding: What if she saw him GETTING dressed into coveralls/clean suit before entering the home???

 

[SteveP]

Okay, regarding the DD driver -- is she on the witness list? Is she listed as going to give testimony at the trial? Anyone know? TY. If she's NOT on any witness list, well...what does that even mean?

Adding: What if she saw him GETTING dressed into coveralls/clean suit before entering the home???

I cannot believe that she will not be called as a witness, although I don't know that we have seen a complete witness list for either side. She clearly expects to be called.

This from the linked article from the Idaho Statesman 's Kevin Fixler...

The Moscow woman's account of delivering food for DoorDash matches that of recent court filings in the closely watched case that stated the driver's initials are "MM." In addition, a private investigator who worked on behalf of Goncalves' parents told them that the DoorDash driver was female, Steve Goncalves, the victim's father, told the Statesman in a text message Monday.

In March, Kohberger's defense submitted a legal brief that said an expert witness for the prosecution will testify that their client had no connection to the residents of the home, including the four victims, nor the DoorDash driver, among others affiliated with the case.

MSN

 

[Ghostwheel]

GH guesses a few places BK may have parked, based on the DD's statements. He has her saying: I saw Bryan. He was by the house. I parked right next to him. His car is in the street, he's by me.
(I think that means parked on the street, vs in a lot.)

Per GH: BK completes his 3rd loop, parks this time. On the street. 3:57.40ish. DD is delivered at 3:59. GH guesses she arrived at 3:58 or so. Sees Bryan so doesn't get out.*

He s]ees her and drives away...DD hits key fob, makes delivery at 3:59, hits fob again.

BK leaves, does a u turn, drives quickly around again, then makes his 4th pass, and she's likely gone when he parks around 4:08/9.

* For those who are mindful of the seeming risk of single women delivering DD in the middle of the night, this is chilling. Very credible that she was spooked by BK and didn't exit her car until he drove away.

It syncs perfectly with time that BK was near 1122 but wasn't on camera, less that a minute...

13m mark he's talking about this

Are we to assume he saw the DD driver, drove away and came back KNOWING someone was awake? (I keep thinking this could not get more insane and I am proven wrong yet again)

Is there a way this could work where he didn't see the DD driver parked, but she saw him? Like instead of being PARKED next to him, she was RIGHT next to him, as in passing by? And as she passed by, he drove off then came back around not knowing which house she had gone to? Can that work?

 

[Megnut]

Are we to assume he saw the DD driver, drove away and came back KNOWING someone was awake? (I keep thinking this could not get more insane and I am proven wrong yet again)

Is there a way this could work where he didn't see the DD driver parked, but she saw him? Like instead of being PARKED next to him, she was RIGHT next to him, as in passing by? And as she passed by, he drove off then came back around not knowing which house she had gone to? Can that work?

No, IMO he absolutely was aware of the DD vehicle because it's the only thing that accounts for his abrupt 4th short loop.

I think we will learn that he didn't want to be seen by the driver but did not know it was a DD or that it was delivered to 1122.

Just like she didn't know he was parked there, preparing to go into 1122 and murder people.

I think they were parked on the street. When she saw him, I think we'll learn that she didn't want to get out of the car. He drove away because she was there, and then once he left, she exited her vehicle, locking it (if the beep is her car), walked the DD to 1122, returned to her car, unlocked it, and left.

Meanwhile, having driven away, he doesn't go far, quickly circles back, that's what the 3 point turns, switching directions (allowing the front of his vehicle to show) and u-turning was all about. IMO he was trying to surveil that car, without the driver seeing him this time in order to see where the driver was headed. She may have delivered the food in that short interval where he circled away, and watched until he was satisfied that car was leaving.

Then he parked again.

And entered 1122.

JMO

 

[browneyes]

I said considerably more issues and only because as a young person, one might not have had the experience not to go INTO a house, even if the DD rules says not to. Or would not know how to to avoid interacting with drunk, obnoxious people. In general, young people feel more invincible than older people do. There is a time in your life when you realize you aren't going to live forever and are more cautious. I said nothing about attraction.

I agree. Where I live, most DD people park on the street and don’t pull up in the driveway. I say most, because one DD driver drove into my garage door while delivering food. Had to get a new door. I have also noticed most delivery people have a passenger with them. I never open my door until I can see on my camera that they are to their cars, but by parking on the street, I can see the extra passenger. Gosh, that poor DD driver. I have often wondered how close they came to each other. Does this info being released violate the gag order?

 

[browneyes]

This woman's initials are MM, and there is a court doc that I have seen, although, wouldn't you know that I cannot put my fingers on it atm, but it included a list of names, by initials of people that BK claimed to have had no connection to in any way. They were listed as the four victims, KG, MM, XK, EC, plus the two surviving roommates, DM, BF, and HJ and EA, who were called to the house that morning, and included another MM, designated as MM (Not Madison Mogen) DD. I absolutely believe she was the DD driver at 1122 King Rd that morning, and I am inclined to believe her story as it pertains to BK. JMO

Great detective work! This trial cannot come soon enough.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935139273549955317

 

[Megnut]

If LE has a witness who saw BK parked at 1122 King Road at 3:58 am, does anything AT has to say matter?

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

JMO

 

[SteveP]

If LE has a witness who saw BK parked at 1122 King Road at 3:58 am, does anything AT has to say matter?

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

JMO

Definitely would make that partial alibi she wants to push, hard to sell, wouldn't it?

I am looking forward to the hearing tomorrow, as we all probably are, and I know that it starts at 12:30 MDT, and it is two parts, one closed, the alternative suspect part, and one part open, the motion for continuance. I assume the open part will be first? Do we know for sure?

I am suddenly becoming uneasy with the thought that Judge Hippler may indeed grant a continuance. I sure hope I am wrong.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This woman's initials are MM, and there is a court doc that I have seen, although, wouldn't you know that I cannot put my fingers on it atm, but it included a list of names, by initials of people that BK claimed to have had no connection to in any way. They were listed as the four victims, KG, MM, XK, EC, plus the two surviving roommates, DM, BF, and HJ and EA, who were called to the house that morning, and included another MM, designated as MM (Not Madison Mogen) DD. I absolutely believe she was the DD driver at 1122 King Rd that morning, and I am inclined to believe her story as it pertains to BK. JMO

Here you go, @SteveP:

From page 13 of the court doc, Defendants Reply States Response Defs MIL2 RE Vague Undisclosed Expert Testimony, filed on 03/24/2025:

 

[Megnut]

Definitely would make that partial alibi she wants to push, hard to sell, wouldn't it?2

Yes, because it's the thing that's like a thing but it's not the one thing and it's over in Pullman at 2 am which alibrys him to absolutely nothing. In fact it puts him in his Elantra, driving around which is directly relevant and easily linked to cctv putting him in the vicinity of 1122 King at 4 am, going off camera from 4:08 until 4:21 am, the critical time for which he has no alibry.

Curiouser and curiouser?

No, worser and worser. It's hard to fathom it can get worser still.

But it's going to. I'm imagining another video, one we haven't yet seen, the million dollar shot with no front license plate and one that intersects with video of the DD vehicle.

DD slam dunk.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

No, IMO he absolutely was aware of the DD vehicle because it's the only thing that accounts for his abrupt 4th short loop.

I think we will learn that he didn't want to be seen by the driver but did not know it was a DD or that it was delivered to 1122.

Just like she didn't know he was parked there, preparing to go into 1122 and murder people.

I think they were parked on the street. When she saw him, I think we'll learn that she didn't want to get out of the car. He drove away because she was there, and then once he left, she exited her vehicle, locking it (if the beep is her car), walked the DD to 1122, returned to her car, unlocked it, and left.

Meanwhile, having driven away, he doesn't go far, quickly circles back, that's what the 3 point turns, switching directions (allowing the front of his vehicle to show) and u-turning was all about. IMO he was trying to surveil that car, without the driver seeing him this time in order to see where the driver was headed. She may have delivered the food in that short interval where he circled away, and watched until he was satisfied that car was leaving.

Then he parked again.

And entered 1122.

JMO

So then taking what I originally said and tweaking it a bit, Is there a way this could work where he didn't see the DD driver parked, but did see her driving. Like instead of the DD driver being PARKED next to him, she was RIGHT next to him, as in passing by within visibility range and he was parked but not out of the car or maybe nor even had the engine off yet? And as she passed by, he drove off then came back around not knowing which house she had gone to? Seems like that one would work. Still not "parked right next to each other", but could be right next to each other.

JMO, but I cannot see them being that close to each other and actually parked "right next to each other" and he still thinks it is a good idea to attack the house. But I can see a moving vehicle being something to avoid and if it's gone when you return then not an issue.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Definitely would make that partial alibi she wants to push, hard to sell, wouldn't it?

I am looking forward to the hearing tomorrow, as we all probably are, and I know that it starts at 12:30 MDT, and it is two parts, one closed, the alternative suspect part, and one part open, the motion for continuance. I assume the open part will be first? Do we know for sure?

I am suddenly becoming uneasy with the thought that Judge Hippler may indeed grant a continuance. I sure hope I am wrong.

BBM

@SteveP, I like to be prepared for the worst so I’m not disappointed.

Here’s a screen shot from the latest Case Summary, posted today (Tuesday, June 17) at 2:09pm.



So the Defendant has filed its Reply to the States’s Opposition to the Defendant’s Motion to Continue (what a mouthful). The doc is not yet posted on the Idaho Cases of Interest page. Is there any reason to seal it?

Tomorrow’s open hearing addressing the Motion to Continue is listed first. It makes sense IMO for that hearing to actually take place first so the public can watch it live at a specified start time.

 

[MassGuy]

Good recap of this whole DoorDash driver thing:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935168315938455723