PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[MassGuy]

Are you betting against the house? lol I assume you went all-in on “no plea deal”and busted.

Seriously I fervently hope that Judge Hippler has stipulated that beyond pleading guilty, BK is ordered to give a full confession. With details. When did he begin planning? Why these victims? Did he intend just one victim and it went haywire because Xana was awake and Maddie and Kaylee were in the same bed? Where is your knife? When did you realize you’d left the sheath behind? Is that why you showed up early the next morning?

I also do and don’t want to know the details of how he proceeded. I’m curious but it seems too ghoulish and invasive for me to know, as an outsider.

JMO

Hahahahhahaha. I need to check if I "bet the farm" on no plea.

Those are the answers I want too.

 

[Chimera]

This really seems like a logical decision from the prosecutor. You are guaranteeing he never leaves prison, has no chance to appeal, it appeases at least some of the family and avoids putting all the witnesses, family and friends through the ringer. To me the no parole is justice, a plea of life with a possibility of parole would not have been.

To pretend this is a slam-dunk case is baffling. There were going to be loads of twists and turns and it will be a media frenzy. There is always a chance of not guilty, a hung jury or even a jury that finds guilt but does not vote for the death penalty as punishment leaving you with nothing gained.

Bbm.
That makes sense !

Good lord the possibility of BK ever getting a light sentence (completely doubtful but I've been surprised before !) or someday getting out -- chilling.
Can't call him an animal because they're innocent.
Monster will do.
Imo.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

What do you hope/expect to hear from BK? If not tomorrow, soon.
For me it would be the following:

—when did you start planning this
—what was your motive; what were you hoping to accomplish
—were you targeting a particular person or this particular house
—why did you choose this person/house
—did you intend to kill everyone in the house; if so, why didn’t you
—what happened in the house from start to finish
—did you know someone had seen you; did you see DM as you left
—when did you realize you had left your knife sheath behind
—how did you keep your car free of blood
—where did you dispose of your bloody clothes
—where did you dispose of the knife
—how did you feel afterwards
—how did you feel when you found out LE was looking for a white Elantra
—did the movie your sister was in have any influence on your planning of the murders
—did any other serial killers inspire you
—if you had not been caught would you have done it again
—do you feel any remorse for what you’ve done

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Hahahahhahaha. I need to check if I "bet the farm" on no plea.

Those are the answers I want too.

@MassGuy, this is all I can remember (from one of your posts on March 5 this year):

I think the worst case scenario is a hung jury, and if that happens I'll eat my hat.

ETA:

Wait, there’s more from this year (Feb 5):

If there is a Frank's hearing here, I will eat my hat.

I am very glad you are such a good prognosticator, Massguy.

 

[sunshineray]

This really seems like a logical decision from the prosecutor. You are guaranteeing he never leaves prison, has no chance to appeal, it appeases at least some of the family and avoids putting all the witnesses, family and friends through the ringer. To me the no parole is justice, a plea of life with a possibility of parole would not have been.

To pretend this is a slam-dunk case is baffling. There were going to be loads of twists and turns and it will be a media frenzy. There is always a chance of not guilty, a hung jury or even a jury that finds guilt but does not vote for the death penalty as punishment leaving you with nothing gained.

Leaving you like Jodi Arias, convicted but no DP and so appeals for years and years. I thought OJ and Casey Anthony were slam dunks and they walked free. The whole social media situation is so much more dominant and volatile now.

 

[CLGM]

Nothing confirmed, but it appears that Kohberger will not have to allocute.

Our only hope may be that he sat down prior to the deal being agreed to and answered questions.

A few random thoughts:

- It might be that the evidence en masse speaks for itself. Not providing him a platform to gloat about his accomplishments (as he would view them) seems appropriate. Being allowed to speak gives him a humanity that he doesn’t deserve. IMO

- I don’t know if there is a legal standard or case law or rules around allocation. Is it something always available at the judge’s discretion, etc.?

- has there been any discussion about whether he could have been in contact with other killers (convicted serial killers whom he came across/contacted in the course of his studies, for example, who might have been like a mentor to him)? That selfie looks like he was telling someone that he had accomplished something, not just for himself.

- I haven’t caught up on the thread since last night (so many comments!) - with the plea deal, will the families have the opportunity to confront BK in court/ give victim impact statements? I hope that can be an outlet for SG in some way. It’s not the lawyers and the police who ruthlessly took his daughter away leaving him with a violent grief that will never heal. It was BK.

 

[kaen]

As a survivor of a violent crime, I will say there is never a feeling of justice..... a survivor or family member of a victim can never be made whole. You wait for the day in court and the pound of flesh but it is important to recognize that no family will ever have any of their loved ones back or their peace of mind restored. Even if this scum allocutes as to his responsibility, most likely, it will never be enough.

My heart is with these families because they will never win. The roommates and all who will be spared from testifying will never win. This murderer has impacted their sense of safety and security for the rest of their lives. The murderer deserves no grace or compassion AND we can bet that even if he makes statements that he will leave them feeling victimized again.... because that is what cold, calculating people do. He will not give anyone the satisfaction of answering enough because he cares about no one but himself.

 

[Vaderman]

o freaking infuriating! Not only are the other girls not responsible, I’m worried that they’ve heard him say that and may feel that way.

I wish this would go to trial soon. This jerk needs a reality check and jail time.

andom thoughts:

- It might be that the evidence en masse speaks for itself. Not providing him a platform to gloat about his accomplishments (as he would view them) seems appropriate. Being allowed to speak gives him a humanity that he doesn’t deserve. IMO

- I don’t know if there is a legal standard or case law or rules around allocation. Is it something always available at the judge’s discretion, etc.?

- has there been any discussion about whether he could have been in contact with other killers (convicted serial killers whom he came across/contacted in the course of his studies, for example, who might have been like a mentor to him)? That selfie looks like he was telling someone that he had accomplished something, not just for himself.

- I haven’t caught up on the thread since last night (so many comments!) - with the plea deal, will the families have the opportunity to confront BK in court/ give victim impact statements? I hope that can be an outlet for SG in some way. It’s not the lawyers and the police who ruthlessly took his daughter away leaving him with a violent grief that will never heal. It was BK.

I just hope that he actually has to say he's guilty and he can't cop out and have his attorneys enter the plea for him.

 

[MassGuy]

Prior to news of the plea deal, the Chapin family sat down with GMA. They talk about their memories of Ethan, and how they received the news that he had been murdered:

On the morning of Nov. 13, a friend woke up Hunter at his fraternity to tell him police officers were across the street at Xana's house, where Ethan often spent the night."I got dressed sluggishly," Hunter said. "I wasn't worried. ... Ethan was 6-foot-4 and 220 pounds, 230 pounds. ... I was like, 'Oh, he'll be fine,' like, if there was anything. Maybe someone drank too much and, I mean, that stuff does happen in college."

"When I walked over there, I didn't see him outside. So I figured he was inside helping whoever needed to be helped," Hunter said.That's when their friend -- who had gone inside the house at 1122 King Road that morning and made the chilling discovery -- approached Hunter."I was like, 'Where's Ethan and Xana?'" Hunter recalled. "And he's like, 'They're not here anymore.' It's like, 'What do you mean, they're not here anymore?' He's like, 'I think they were murdered last night.'"

"I don't know if those are the exact words," Hunter said. "So I had to call Maizie and then call my mom."Maizie said she arrived at King Road to find her brother and their friends huddled outside. The house that had been their gathering place was now a crime scene. Ambulances had already come and gone, without taking any patients, the siblings said, and soon Maizie was in shock.Stacy Chapin was at the grocery store when her son called."[Hunter] just said, "He's not here,'" she recalled. "And he kept repeating it. ... Your mind does not register that ... so I was like, 'Well, go get him. Go find him.'"

"And he just kept saying it," Stacy Chapin said. "And he goes, 'No, Mom. You don't understand. Ethan and Xana,' I think he said, 'are not on this earth anymore.'"

Idaho college victim's siblings remember arriving at crime scene: 'Not on this earth anymore'

The University of Idaho killing shook the four families and the small college town of Moscow to the core as police launched a nearly seven-week manhunt for a suspect.

abcnews.go.com

 

[RatFace]

Many have expressed the thought that BK will be miserable in prison and this is potentially worse than the DP. I understand the sentiment, but I'll have to disagree for several reasons:
1. He is not a normal human being
2. People are very adaptable and over time, he will adapt
3. He will enjoy his notoriety
4. This may even be the outcome he wanted. He is very interested in the criminal system and now he is part of it.
5. How long will it be until some batsh*t crazy women on the outside "falls in love with him"? He'll have an actual relationship with a female for the first time in his life.

 

[Jw192]

Nothing confirmed, but it appears that Kohberger will not have to allocute.

Our only hope may be that he sat down prior to the deal being agreed to and answered questions.

I massively doubt he will give anything

 

[NavySubMom]

What do you hope/expect to hear from BK? If not tomorrow, soon.
For me it would be the following:

—when did you start planning this
—what was your motive; what were you hoping to accomplish
—were you targeting a particular person or this particular house
—why did you choose this person/house
—did you intend to kill everyone in the house; if so, why didn’t you
—what happened in the house from start to finish
—did you know someone had seen you; did you see DM as you left
—when did you realize you had left your knife sheath behind
—how did you keep your car free of blood
—where did you dispose of your bloody clothes
—where did you dispose of the knife
—how did you feel afterwards
—how did you feel when you found out LE was looking for a white Elantra
—did the movie your sister was in have any influence on your planning of the murders
—did any other serial killers inspire you
—if you had not been caught would you have done it again
—do you feel any remorse for what you’ve done

I would like answers to all of these questions as well, but reading between the lines, Kohlberger may not have to allocute at all, the Judge might just say “How do you plead “ and BK says “Guilty”, and the Judge either sentences him right then,
Or another sentencing hearing in the near future. It does not appear Kohberger will need to describe his crimes in detail.
I recall a hearing for the BTK (bind, tie, kill) killer, from years ago, I think his name was Gary Ridgeway ? , where he had to do just that, stand in Court and describe how he killed every one of his victims.
I don’t think we will hear the same type of confessions from Kohlberger. Another “thumbs up” moment for him if all he has to say is “guilty” in his sentencing hearing.

IMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Many have expressed the thought that BK will be miserable in prison and this is potentially worse than the DP. I understand the sentiment, but I'll have to disagree for several reasons:
1. He is not a normal human being
2. People are very adaptable and over time, he will adapt
3. He will enjoy his notoriety
4. This may even be the outcome he wanted. He is very interested in the criminal system and now he is part of it.
5. How long will it be until some batsh*t crazy women on the outside "falls in love with him"? He'll have an actual relationship with a female for the first time in his life.

Unfortunately, some women already have fallen in love with BK. Luckily, he lacks the charm of a Ted Bundy, so I hope such women will quickly fall out of love when and if they ever interact with him in person.

Psychiatrist pens letter Bryan Kohbergers lovesick admirer

IMO

 

[Sundog]

- I don’t know if there is a legal standard or case law or rules around allocation. Is it something always available at the judge’s discretion, etc.?

<snipped for focus>

It's my understanding that if it's not already in the plea agreement between the defendant and the prosecution, then the judge can change the terms of that plea agreement but then a new plea agreement would have to be accepted by the defendant. The defendant could withdraw his intention to plead guilty if he wasn't prepared to accept the new terms that the judge proposes. The judge can't order a defendant to give up his constitutional right to remain silent. The defendant would have to agree to do so as part of a plea agreement. I don't think we know if that was included in the plea agreement that was made between the defendant and the prosecution.

 

[QB2022]

I can't imagine he would give up his right to remain silent unless he benefits somehow and I'd rather he suffered for the next 70 years, not get himself perks

 

[Cindizzi]

I’m couple pages behind so apologies if this has already been posted here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940079695980302471

 

[NuttMegg]

Part of the plea deal better have included him at least sitting down a giving the details and answering every question investigators have for him. If not, the prosecution gets zero out of the deal and in my opinion they were holding every card.
I understand he may not allocute in open court, but I expect a full confession.
I also expect him to have to sit and listen to victim impact statement though the people affected haven’t got much time to put this together.

Watts ,(CO), was not forced to give details. So he could, unfortunately, carry on for several months torturing both families and rewarding his gleeful fans by claiming he was only "accepting responsibility"

Anyone can look up the details on Crime Talk, re how LE dealt with Watts' refusal to elaborate, allocute, whatever the concept is. I'm sorry I don't recall the title, but he signed, and verbally affirmed, in court iirc, a doc admitting that LE had sufficient evidence to convict him. DA Rourke explained it.

That was Nov 2018, by Feb 2019 he was confessing to the mind-blowing details, in part because of an author.

Not meaning to equate processes in Idaho and Colorado, just that I don't have my hopes up that he will say more than "guilty". The less he says the more power he retains as the enigma.

 

[NavySubMom]

Many have expressed the thought that BK will be miserable in prison and this is potentially worse than the DP. I understand the sentiment, but I'll have to disagree for several reasons:
1. He is not a normal human being
2. People are very adaptable and over time, he will adapt
3. He will enjoy his notoriety
4. This may even be the outcome he wanted. He is very interested in the criminal system and now he is part of it.
5. How long will it be until some batsh*t crazy women on the outside "falls in love with him"? He'll have an actual relationship with a female for the first time in his life.

Typically, if you are sentenced to Death, you are confined to your cell 23hrs (or so) , per day, given an hour alone in the “yard”, eat your meals in your cell, housed in a separate cell area, away from general population.
With Death off the table, he will possibly/probably be able to join the other inmates on the outdoor area to play basketball, socialize, eat in the cafeteria, etc etc., have a prison job, etc.
Not being sentenced to Death, Kohlberger will probably be able to join these types of activities, if he wishes. And live a more leisurely life in prison. Some sociopaths thrive in this structured setting.
IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Many have expressed the thought that BK will be miserable in prison and this is potentially worse than the DP. I understand the sentiment, but I'll have to disagree for several reasons:
1. He is not a normal human being
2. People are very adaptable and over time, he will adapt
3. He will enjoy his notoriety
4. This may even be the outcome he wanted. He is very interested in the criminal system and now he is part of it.
5. How long will it be until some batsh*t crazy women on the outside "falls in love with him"? He'll have an actual relationship with a female for the first time in his life.

Sadly I have to agree with you.
BK will do fine in prison. A very structured environment is probably easier for him to navigate than regular society.
I doubt he’ll be in the general population, so he will have a certain level of security and safety.
If he comes across as an arrogant blowhard I doubt he will have any friends, but if he can con the other inmates into thinking he is truly the smartest guy in the room, they may flock to him for legal and criminal advice.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

<snipped for focus>

It's my understanding that if it's not already in the plea agreement between the defendant and the prosecution, then the judge can change the terms of that plea agreement but then a new plea agreement would have to be accepted by the defendant. The defendant could withdraw his intention to plead guilty if he wasn't prepared to accept the new terms that the judge proposes. The judge can't order a defendant to give up his constitutional rights to remain silent. The defendant would have to agree to do so as part of a plea agreement. I don't think we know if that was included in the plea agreement that was made between the defendant and the prosecution.

Sorry for posting this yet again, but according to the Idaho Guilty Plea Advisory, BK waives his right to silence by pleading guilty, at least pertaining to the crimes he pleads guilty to:



I guess this doesn’t mean BK has to confess to every detail of his crimes. Maybe it just means he has to say “yes” in open court when Hippler asks if he pleads guilty?

IMO