PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Jw192]

He will get his vegan meals. It's not a difficult accommodation. A lot of different diets are catered to by providing a vegan option. There's no meat, so it's suitable for vegans, vegetarians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. It's going to be very boring fare, though. Think institutional boiled slop on a tray rather than delicious fresh salads and delicately steamed in season vegetables.

MOO

Reminds me of LeStinker Hardin (I refuse to give her the same last name as Gannon) and her whines for her kosher meals

 

[gitana1]

What do you hope/expect to hear from BK? If not tomorrow, soon.
For me it would be the following:

—when did you start planning this
—what was your motive; what were you hoping to accomplish
—were you targeting a particular person or this particular house
—why did you choose this person/house
—did you intend to kill everyone in the house; if so, why didn’t you
—what happened in the house from start to finish
—did you know someone had seen you; did you see DM as you left
—when did you realize you had left your knife sheath behind
—how did you keep your car free of blood
—where did you dispose of your bloody clothes
—where did you dispose of the knife
—how did you feel afterwards
—how did you feel when you found out LE was looking for a white Elantra
—did the movie your sister was in have any influence on your planning of the murders
—did any other serial killers inspire you
—if you had not been caught would you have done it again
—do you feel any remorse for what you’ve done

He is pleading guilty so he may be open to answering questions sent via mail. But psychopaths lie. He will never tell the total truth.

 

[gitana1]

Reminds me of LeStinker Hardin (I refuse to give her the same last name as Gannon) and her whines for her kosher meals

Oh what is going on with her?

 

[gitana1]

Typically, if you are sentenced to Death, you are confined to your cell 23hrs (or so) , per day, given an hour alone in the “yard”, eat your meals in your cell, housed in a separate cell area, away from general population.
With Death off the table, he will possibly/probably be able to join the other inmates on the outdoor area to play basketball, socialize, eat in the cafeteria, etc etc., have a prison job, etc.
Not being sentenced to Death, Kohlberger will probably be able to join these types of activities, if he wishes. And live a more leisurely life in prison. Some sociopaths thrive in this structured setting.

That's what bothers me. Ick.

 

[Jw192]

Oh what is going on with her?

As far as I know moved to Kansas and is hopefully as miserable as one could possibly be

 

[Vaderman]

Ethan’s family wants to produce the flower that to them represents Ethan.

I actually tried to buy one of Ethan's tulip bulbs but they were sold out at the time. I thought it was a really sweet way the family chose to honor his life.

 

[Sachi]

I speak only for myself. BK took it on himself to play executioner, and imposed the death penalty on Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, and they committed no crimes. For that, BK deserves to have the death penalty imposed on him. He should consider himself very fortunate that this plea deal allows him to continue to live. JMO.

I wonder how he would/might do in a prison fight vs creeping in to a house and stabbing to death sleeping/sleepy defenseless students. Imagine him fighting someone who has a bone to pick , hits the weights, is just waiting for the challenge and has nothing to lose.

 

[ilovewings]

Well, I am very confused about my feelings. On the one hand I feel a sense of relief for his parents, the would-be jurors, the witnesses, and even some of the victims families that have done everything in their power to move on. Also, no more innocent victims for BK. On the other hand, I actually wanted him to die. I will probably go to h*ll for thinking that way. It just seems so unfair. Especially because he seems like the type that might like prison.

Please tell me he won't get his vegan meals in prison. JMO, sometimes it seems the suspect and in this case - the guilty is treated too good. Please tell me the offer of a plea deal is not ONLY about the $. I know, I know....there are other benefits as I've acknowledged above.

And, darn....I can't watch the hearing tomorrow. I want to see his face when he pleads. Will he show ANY remorse or embarrassment for being the worst criminal justice PHD student ever!?

Even if the case went to trial there is no certainty he would get the death penalty!

 

[Chimera]

I wonder how he would/might do in a prison fight vs creeping in to a house and stabbing to death sleeping/sleepy defenseless students. Imagine him fighting someone who has a bone to pick , hits the weights, is just waiting for the challenge and has nothing to lose.

Bbm.
Bwa hahahahaha !!!!
Indeed.
Karma's a you know what, too.
See how it feels to be terrified and helpless.

Still won't equal what the victims felt.
But if he's in gen. pop. that's a start.
Imo.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I don’t think he’s going to be a superstar or anything like that. I have been pleasantly surprised that some prisoners with higher education are willing to either teach or help other prisoners with their cases. Will BK write snotty notes on their papers or will the consequences be too severe?

I also agree there’s not a winning solution, DP or LWOP. If the prisoner of these brutal cases wants attention, they will find it.

I worked in the same tiny hospital with someone who murdered his wife (Forensic Files "Crash Course"); he was pretty much accepted in prison because he was educated and taught English to those who weren't so proficient.

According to Blum, BK did NOT like his student's that he was TA for, they were lazy, etc. I don't see him helping anyone at all.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Soooo... he was not out to see the moon and the stars? Awkward.

Looks like he's not gonna have that cup of coffee with that LE officer, either.

 

[wendy44]

Both sides of the argument are more than valid. All their emotions are valid and justified. It was such an impossible position as there was never going to be a consensus between the families. Someone was going to be devastated whatever route they went, and that is understandable.

The thing that makes me lean more on one side to the other is saving the surviving two from the trauma of it all, for potentially years. For BF and DM, I think it will likely be the right call.

I would like to see a clause in the deal that he can't profit or speak with the media.

And DM and BF are not just witnesses but victims of the burglary--so maybe they were consulted on the plea as well and it tipped the scale to victims who were in support of it.
JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

JMO but I don't believe in DP and so a whole life order is reasonable to me. However, I do think since DP exists in the state BK is being tried, that if he's going to accept and will be allowed this plea deal, it should be conditional on him confessing and detailing his crime to some extent.

Otherwise, one day in the future, in different times from now, perhaps he could claim / appeal that he only accepted the deal in order to save his life from DP and this is coercion. Maybe it doesn't work like that? IMO MOO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I feel sympathy towards Steve Goncalves, but I think the media is cynically egging him on in their need for drama and controversy. Steve has come around before and I think he’ll come around again (he criticized LE before; now he just criticizes the prosecution).

Anyway, I wish people would give Goncalves grace and let him blow off steam right now, without further inflaming his passions.

He has faith and a loving family, and I hope all of them eventually come to understand and accept why the Prosecution offered the plea deal to Bryan Kohberger.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

He is pleading guilty so he may be open to answering questions sent via mail. But psychopaths lie. He will never tell the total truth.

I agree, he may not tell the truth, but the reasoning for the lies may not be what some think.
If they hold the death penalty as an option they may get him to cooperate until he realizes that action may take 40 years.

I believe he will lie to save face. He will make up things that went wrong that he didn’t expect, reasons it wasn’t the perfect crime even though he planned it as such.
There is so much evidence against him because he did stupid things-
So how does a guy in a PhD program who has studied criminals make these mistakes?

He isn’t a seasoned killer, that is why. He thought book learning was the same as reality, and it turned out to be harder than he thought.
He left the knife sheath and had ordered that knife and sheath on Amazon.
He didn’t consider that people may still be coming and going during the wee hours.
He made assumptions about turning his phone off and location data.
It is clear he had no idea how many people lived in the house- or he would have looked for the two that he missed.

I wonder if he was in shock by the scene, if he was surprised by the number of people in the house, if he panicked.

There is a lot of evidence that may come out after he is sentenced- through FOIA. So many of our questions could still be answered.

What a tragedy- at least he is in custody, and will stay that way.

IMO

 

[GOBliaison]

I've jumped ahead to this thread in order to ask:

As pertains to prospective guilty pleas in Idaho, is there, or not, a Compulsory Providence Inquiry by the Judge?

That is, before he accepts BK's' offer to plead guilty... On the record will Judge Hippler have to satisfy himself (1) that BK himself believes he is guilty and (2) that BK's action(s) / behavior(s) in these evil events satisfy the requisite criminal elements for four murders and a burglary ?
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Methinks as to (1): Affirmative, but no obiter authored by the judge;

As to (2): Negative, inasmuch as it's not looking good for the judge to require BK himself to recount, narrate, or be examined about any the why's, how's, and wherefore's of his slaughtering rampage.

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Strangely ?? , in US Courts-Martial - even for minor offenses - in order to get one's guilty plea accepted by a military judge and move to sentencing, the proffering accused [allowed some coaching by his DC]... ...must in his own words, "Tell all" !
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For my part, I cannot reconcile the prerequisite of magistrates' judicial temperament with the allowance of BK' proffered unconditional guilty plea here.

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How may one hold any notion that they are judicially-tempered while excluding from surviving victims, at the minimum, some comprehension as to the nature and scope of the horrors that befell their children, friends and roommates.
Imo, such must be undertaken and made a matter of record.
This can be ordered tomorrow , along with the rejection of BK's guilty plea, and the "reminder that our existing trial date stands."
The potentially daunting and complex details of its creation, review, dissemination, limitations, clemency applicability, etc. may be acknowledged, certainly. Encouragingly, there should be more than ample time to fashion such a memorial record post a guilty finding in this case as now brought.

 

[Magic8Ball]

Nothing confirmed, but it appears that Kohberger will not have to allocute.

Our only hope may be that he sat down prior to the deal being agreed to and answered questions.

I don't think Judge Hippler will sign off on any plea deal that does not include any sort of allocution.

The prosecution and defense can hold hands across the aisle and sing Kumbayah, but the judge can still tell them to go pound sand if he doesn't like it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

This is kind of a random question. What prison would he end up in? (I'd like to know the escape percentage there). If BK could pull a Ted Bundy, it would be all kinds of bad.

 

[AngTxGal]

This is kind of a random question. What prison would he end up in? (I'd like to know the escape percentage there). If BK could pull a Ted Bundy, it would be all kinds of bad.

He doesn’t strike me as the escape type, he would need to cooperate with people. That means he would need friends.
Many reports are saying peers were contacted to come forward and testify that his life should be saved- and they opted out. They chose not to testify on his behalf. Wow!
How is going to mastermind a break out of prison if he can’t build relationships with people?

I don’t wish him a terrible long life- I hope he is sent where he deserves to go, and soon. I have zero empathy for him and believe to the survivors and victim families it would be better if he was no longer on this earth.
But he may be the kind that is going to milk the attention for all it is worth? I can’t tell- he may be the kind that can’t take prison- and takes his own life. It may be terrible to say- but to me that would be just peachy. His parents and maybe the victims could imagine he was remorseful.
I don’t think remorse is something he has the capacity to feel.

IMO

 

[Sachi]

He doesn’t strike me as the escape type, he would need to cooperate with people. That means he would need friends.
Many reports are saying peers were contacted to come forward and testify that his life should be saved- and they opted out. They chose not to testify on his behalf. Wow!
How is going to mastermind a break out of prison if he can’t build relationships with people?

I don’t wish him a terrible long life- I hope he is sent where he deserves to go, and soon. I have zero empathy for him and believe to the survivors and victim families it would be better if he was no longer on this earth.
But he may be the kind that is going to milk the attention for all it is worth? I can’t tell- he may be the kind that can’t take prison- and takes his own life. It may be terrible to say- but to me that would be just peachy. His parents and maybe the victims could imagine he was remorseful.
I don’t think remorse is something he has the capacity to feel.

IMO

well said!