PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[MTW2011]

Wrong!
The proffered plea has yet to be accepted.
Ergo, to what degree should the good doctor hold herself in readiness.
Bearing in mind that the absolute WORST air travel nowadays is UNNECESSARY air travel, exceeded only perhaps if you got a budget booking which may only qualify for a space-A reservation remuneration.

yeah, wow, this does seem premature. until he actually enters a change of plea and until (if) the Judge decides to accept it, one would think that the gag order would still be in place.

there’s certainly no entry of any recent Order on the publicly available docket indicating the gag order is lifted/modified/no longer in place. For all we know he could answer “how do you plead?” with a “not guilty”tomorrow….however unlikely, crazier things have happened. JMOO.

 

[Cool Cats]

You just never know with juries-- there is a guy named Durst (can't recall first name)- he murdered and actually dismembered a man and the jury acquitted him. go figure. Then there is Casey Anthony and there are many many more where you are sure the defendant is guilty but the jury acquits.

I said it a dozen times before:

A DEATH PENALTY'S lawyer's job is to keep their client off of DR. This often happens near trial after the DP attorneys bend over backwards to make a case for their client, and try to get the worse evidence thrown out, like the DNA for example.

AT can not accuse other perpetrators of the murders because of no evidence and it would completely ruin their lives.
A good defense team - AT and all of them - level with their client on the overwhelming evidence against him/her and would prefer a guilty plea and not a death sentence.

I am not surprised. AT is good and did everything she could but hey, she ran out of options. A moony starry night in the middle of heavy fog?

I knew then it was over.

2 Cents

 

[minazoe]

That's what we were asking. Were these calls unusual? If not, was there anything about this call that was unusual (happier, excited, worried, etc).

I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in discovery.

I think he wanted to be on the phone with them when the news broke. I wonder if they put the tv on in the kitchen in the morning and have coffee and coffee cake..I can just picture it...local news..weather...murder...

 

[Sachi]

I feel sympathy towards Steve Goncalves, but I think the media is cynically egging him on in their need for drama and controversy. Steve has come around before and I think he’ll come around again (he criticized LE before; now he just criticizes the prosecution).

Anyway, I wish people would give Goncalves grace and let him blow off steam right now, without further inflaming his passions.

He has faith and a loving family, and I hope all of them eventually come to understand and accept why the Prosecution offered the plea deal to Bryan Kohberger.

IMO

Amen.

 

[schooling]

And DM and BF are not just witnesses but victims of the burglary--so maybe they were consulted on the plea as well and it tipped the scale to victims who were in support of it.
JMO

This would make a lot of sense!

 

[Arkay]

I’m reminiscing now about the past few weeks or so and our thoughts regarding the Dateline exposé.

Most of us were eager to see what inside info Dateline was going to share. Then we became concerned that a copious leak was going to aggravate the judge, as he did seem irritated.

And here we are now, with a guilty plea apparently at hand, and for all we know it may have been the Dateline documentation that made AT throw in the towel.

She really had nowhere to go at this point except to back down.

Just my speculation.

 

[SteveP]

Okay, the burglary part refers to the ID from one of the victims found hidden in a latex glove in the glove box??? Early on, many speculated about the inclusion of ID'S in the list of evidence, but I don't recall it as being confirmed that there was an ID connected to the victims. A trophy? Whose ID? The NY Post is reporting it, which surprises me as the plea deal is not yet a done deal. Apologies if this was discussed and I missed it.
Edited to refine the ID as connected to the victims.

Not sure what the NY Post is reporting about an ID card from a vic. I do know that one or more ID cards were found inside a glove in a box (some think that was even misunderstood, and they were found in a car glovebox). That is the first I have heard of that, in about 2 years, and would be inclined to doubt one was of one of the victims until I hear it from another source. Burglary charges were filed, because, in Idaho, burglary is defined as entering any building, vehicle, or structure with the intent to commit a theft or any felony, which BK clearly did. JMO

 

[stormymama]

Okay, the burglary part refers to the ID from one of the victims found hidden in a latex glove in the glove box??? Early on, many speculated about the inclusion of ID'S in the list of evidence, but I don't recall it as being confirmed that there was an ID connected to the victims. A trophy? Whose ID? The NY Post is reporting it, which surprises me as the plea deal is not yet a done deal. Apologies if this was discussed and I missed it.
Edited to refine the ID as connected to the victims.

The burglary is going into the house uninvited.

 

[wendybtn]

BBM

Is BK required to say anything at all other than he is guilty of all counts during the hearing?

No, just changing his plea tomorrow.

 

[Cool Cats]

That's what we were asking. Were these calls unusual? If not, was there anything about this call that was unusual (happier, excited, worried, etc).

I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in discovery.

Not unusual when newly arrested (hours after arrested). These are all recorded calls so I wonder if anything incriminating got recorded?

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[wendybtn]

Even if the case went to trial there is no certainty he would get the death penalty!

Or if he received the death penalty, that it would be carried out any time soon. Endless appeals, too.

 

[BUF]

Not unusual when newly arrested (hours after arrested). These are all recorded calls so I wonder if anything incriminating got recorded?

2 Cents

This was in reference to the calls he made the morning after the murders, not after he was arrested.

 

[SteveP]

Not unusual when newly arrested (hours after arrested). These are all recorded calls so I wonder if anything incriminating got recorded?

2 Cents

The phone calls being referred to were placed very shortly after the murders on that Sunday morning, beginning about 6:30am, Idaho time, roughly 2 hours after leaving King Rd. IIRC, he made three to a phone registered to his father., the longest lasting 54 minutes. JMO

 

[bestill]

A little confused about the recent timeline. Did the Dateline reveal happen before the Door Dash driver video was circulated?

 

[NuttMegg]

Dbm

 

[Cool Cats]

This would make a lot of sense!

Trials are to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.and now BK admits guilt so no need for trial.

 

[LinasK]

You just never know with juries-- there is a guy named Durst (can't recall first name)- he murdered and actually dismembered a man and the jury acquitted him. go figure. Then there is Casey Anthony and there are many many more where you are sure the defendant is guilty but the jury acquits.

Robert Durst. He was eventually convicted for another murder in California. And he was a wealthy guy.

 

[Sundog]

JMO but I don't believe in DP and so a whole life order is reasonable to me. However, I do think since DP exists in the state BK is being tried, that if he's going to accept and will be allowed this plea deal, it should be conditional on him confessing and detailing his crime to some extent.

Otherwise, one day in the future, in different times from now, perhaps he could claim / appeal that he only accepted the deal in order to save his life from DP and this is coercion. Maybe it doesn't work like that? IMO MOO

It is my understanding of the law that the judge will ask BK if he is voluntarily changing his plea to guilty, so that will address the issue of coercion and get it on the record.

 

[Cool Cats]

The phone calls being referred to were very shortly after the murders on that Sunday morning, beginning about 6:30am, Idaho time, roughly 2 hours after leaving King Rd. IIRC, he made three to a phone registered to his father., the longest lasting 54 minutes. JMO

Oh, no recording then. If he called his dad after the murders were known by the public, then he was probably trying to gauge his dad's reaction. Maybe realized he left the sheath and thus making excuses. I doubt he admitted it. His own dad called the police when BK stole and sold his sister's phone, telling his dad not to do anything stupid. Too much risk his dad would report BK's murders if his dad reported BK stealing his sister's phone.

2 Cents.

 

[Magic8Ball]

A little confused about the recent timeline. Did the Dateline reveal happen before the Door Dash driver video was circulated?

Dateline episode aired first, DD driver video circulated online after that. JMO.