PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[mcmaffy]

IANAL, but my understanding is that BK is not bound to the plea agreement until it is approved by the judge and BK pleads guilty before the judge. He can change his mind up until that time. He can also change his mind if the judge makes any changes to the plea agreement that he agreed to with the prosecution.

JMO.

BBM

Thanks Sundog. That being the case the disclosure and quick reporting of this "deal" was premature, extremely irresponsible (it might even evidence a violation of the gag order) and massively prejudicial to any trial going forward in the event the "deal" does not proceed. Sure, so long as Kohberger cops to it on Wednesday there will be no damage, but It should never have been divulged.

 

[MassGuy]

BBM

Thanks Sundog. That being the case the disclosure and quick reporting of this "deal" was premature, extremely irresponsible (it might even evidence a violation of the gag order) and massively prejudicial to any trial going forward in the event the "deal" does not proceed. Sure, so long as Kohberger cops to it on Wednesday there will be no damage, but It should never have been divulged.

There is nothing that could have been done. The prosecution had to notify the families in advance, and because certain families were not happy with it, they wanted to voice that.

 

[NuttMegg]

I didn't get much out of Katherine Ramsland's appearance with Brian Enten tonight. BK was a good student - polite and did his homework on time. She mentioned she would be willing to interact with BK in the future. Not her exact words but - she threw that offer out there. Does BK listen to News Nation?

Wow, wierd. If I wasn't following the case I'd think the defendant was a middle schooler. I was polite and did my homework on time too, in 7th grade. But by the time I was graduating from the university I never heard the word homework. It was projects, research papers, modeling grant proposals, items depending on creativity, not filling in homework. Bizarre. When we first starting hearing about his education I had reservations about the value of his online experience.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Oh, I agree.
She did state the law that prohibits her from giving certain information about students, past or present.

Then she basically said he didn’t act oddly or present any problems. Entin asked her, IIRC, if she thought she had any influence on his behavior, and she replied essentially that she and her colleagues are aware that a student may get interested in committing crime, but it is more or equally likely that their education leads to a career in law enforcement, etc.

She didn’t appear emotional in any way, just very matter-of-fact.

It does lead me to wonder somewhat——what is an “expert” on serial killers, (as she was introduced), when a budding murderer is sitting right before you but you don’t see telltale signs?

Either there were no signs, or she and her colleagues missed them. This alleged expertise is just academic, it’s not magic.

Also, as @Sundog mentioned, according to Entin’s reporting there is NO obligation in Idaho for BK to explain himself at all. I think it will be very perfunctory with no answers forthcoming.
IMO

I just watched the interview with his professor. I was hoping for more too, but overall I thought it pretty interesting.
One thing that jumped out at me was throughout the interview she talked about how engaged, polite, respectful and intelligent he was, alluding also to how he was capable of deep discussions etc. this, of course, was the exact opposite of what AT was trying to push forward about BK. So apparently he is not this poor infirmed spectrum-soaked individual after all. Imagine that.
I also appreciate her admitting that he fooled her. Plain and simple. And thought it was interesting that she gave him the benefit of the doubt right after he was arrested but as time went on, she began to wonder, but that when he offered his lame alibi, that she said was no alibi at all, she realized he was guilty.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Kohberger can change his mind, but it would be suicide for the reasons you say.

A lawyer was talking about the process tomorrow, and said that it is highly unlikely the anything will occur other than the procedural stuff (using the words "guilty" for one).

I think only way that he gives information as part of this process, is if that was part of his agreement in the first place. Something like "we'll give you this plea deal, but first you have to sit down and answer some questions."

So if that hasn't been done, it won't be part of this.

There is always the possibility of a follow-up interview, like with Chris Watts. BK would not have to grant such, but could.

 

[mcmaffy]

Kohberger can change his mind, but it would be suicide for the reasons you say.

A lawyer was talking about the process tomorrow, and said that it is highly unlikely the anything will occur other than the procedural stuff (using the words "guilty" for one).

I think only way that he gives information as part of this process, is if that was part of his agreement in the first place. Something like "we'll give you this plea deal, but first you have to sit down and answer some questions."

So if that hasn't been done, it won't be part of this.

thanks for this info mate. As regards the allocution I suppose there aren't many questions with verifiable answers which are worthwhile putting to a liar, although the knife's location (for one) is one which is likely to be verifiable (unless he disposed of it in a manner which means it can't be recovered).

 

[Seni]

BBM

Thanks Sundog. That being the case the disclosure and quick reporting of this "deal" was premature, extremely irresponsible (it might even evidence a violation of the gag order) and massively prejudicial to any trial going forward in the event the "deal" does not proceed. Sure, so long as Kohberger cops to it on Wednesday there will be no damage, but It should never have been divulged.

Absolutely agree

 

[MassGuy]

There is always the possibility of a follow-up interview, like with Chris Watts. BK would not have to grant such, but could.

I am very optimistic he will at least sit down with Dr. Ramsland. She expressed a great deal of interest in that tonight, and we know he respects her.

Normally I don’t feel good about a killer talking, but I think it’s far more probable than not that he does at some point.

 

[HMSHood]

So killer, liar, burglar, stalker - but worst insult is coward?

Killer, liar, burglar, and stalker are cowards at heart. Seriously if one is that, they are clearly messed up to begin with.

 

[mickey2942]

Court TV show with "Vinnie Napolitano" is discussing the "Plea Agreement'.

 

[MassGuy]

Full Ramsland interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940259050719257036

 

[Seni]

What kind of publicity is this case getting right now, in Idaho as well as the rest of the States?

Is it national news?

 

[sunshineray]

What will happen? A 2009 study published in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, “Do Executions Lower Homicide Rates?: The Views of Leading Criminologists,” found that an overwhelming majority of leading criminologists in the U.S. do not believe the death penalty deters murder. The study found that 88% did not believe that the death penalty is a proven deterrent to homicide and that 87% believe that abolition of the death penalty would not have any significant effect on murder rates.

That's probably because in most states that have the DP it takes so long after conviction, decades, for the sentence to be carried out. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

What kind of publicity is this case getting right now, in Idaho as well as the rest of the States?

Is it national news?

Yes very much so.

 

[Sundog]

This link worked for me to watch Brian Entin's interview with Dr. Katherine Ramsland tonight. It is about 12:44 minutes long.

At the end of the interview, Brian Entin asks her if she has ever thought about studying Bryan Kohberger like she studied BTK and she said that she has been thinking about that for the last 2 1/2 years and that if BK was interested, then she would be interested in working with him and studying him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940259050719257036

 

[Cedars]

Killer, liar, burglar, and stalker are cowards at heart. Seriously if one is that, they are clearly messed up to begin with.

Well, I'm a coward at heart. I don't want to die. I don't understand what it has to do with anything criminal.

 

[sunshineray]

Full Ramsland interview.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940259050719257036

That's ridiculous though, her possibly feeling to blame somehow. I'm sure he wasn't the first student she taught who wanted to understand the mind of a killer.

 

[danablue1]

I am very optimistic he will at least sit down with Dr. Ramsland. She expressed a great deal of interest in that tonight, and we know he respects her.

Normally I don’t feel good about a killer talking, but I think it’s far more probable than not that he does at some point.

I for one am not interested in him at all or what he has to say. After he goes to prison I would be happy not to see or hear about him ever again

 

[sunshineray]

BBM

Thanks Sundog. That being the case the disclosure and quick reporting of this "deal" was premature, extremely irresponsible (it might even evidence a violation of the gag order) and massively prejudicial to any trial going forward in the event the "deal" does not proceed. Sure, so long as Kohberger cops to it on Wednesday there will be no damage, but It should never have been divulged.

It had to be divulged. The families were notified, after doing that the State knows it's out there. They had to notify the public or it would have leaked and the public has the right to be in court. My opinion only.

 

[Seni]

Yes very much so.

Thanks for your reply,

So there we would go again with the impossible situation of a jury with no previous knowledge.