PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

[Twistinginthewind]

What do you think his demeanour will be? Will he be nonchalant, stone faced like he was when he was arrested or giddy?

IMO:

He might have had enough time in lockdown since then and not winning his release/getting off, to be a picture of composure/resolve regarding his life circumstances, and hopefully not smug and being in his glory hole -- smirking, self satisfied like in that sick selfie photo of him just after he got home after murdering them -- but not obviously "the killer dude", advised heavily I'm sure to put on as much of a pretty face as he could.

He was probably brought up proper enough (and defense coaching) to put on the nice suit and comb his hair and be acting all "woe is me, I don't actually know why I did it, I sort of remember doing it, but maybe it was 'the other me", the one I'm not in touch with through my disassociation."

 

[Arkay]

Thanks for your reply,

So there we would go again with the impossible situation of a jury with no previous knowledge.

If Bryan pleads guilty, there is no trial and hence no jury.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

What kind of publicity is this case getting right now, in Idaho as well as the rest of the States?

Is it national news?

There was a link to the story on the main page of The Washington Post online earlier today.

 

[LovesPeace2]

The only thing I'd want to hear from BK is who his original target was and maybe why . Otherwise he can rot the ME and LE will have the how and all the awful details. My the families soon get some peace and maybe start healing as best as you can jmvho

 

[Cedars]

It does lead me to wonder somewhat——what is an “expert” on serial killers, (as she was introduced), when a budding murderer is sitting right before you but you don’t see telltale signs?

Either there were no signs, or she and her colleagues missed them. This alleged expertise is just academic, it’s not magic.

I think she has a book to promote.

But seriously, she only knew him around 2019 and he was then apparently keen to divert his interests into law enforcement or similar.

Whereas in Washington, he was giving off extremely bad vibes and the department fired him from his teaching positions and would probably try to discourage him from staying on. But they couldn't possibly know that he'd commit murder.

No one can read another person's mind.

 

[sunshineray]

Thanks for your reply,

So there we would go again with the impossible situation of a jury with no previous knowledge.

It's the way of the world since the internet has existed and has only grown exponentially. Some cases just make the national news. There are still some people though I'm sure who haven't heard of the case. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

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[Luna20]

I for one am not interested in him at all or what he has to say. After he goes to prison I would be happy not to see or hear about him ever again

I wish it would be part of the plea agreement that he not be allowed to give interviews. It feeds his ego, he will feel like he is still manipulating the outcome of how people perceive him to be. He would be getting attention for the four murders. He would feel like he really is sought after if someone wants to write about him. He shouldn’t be allowed to gloat about anything.


On C-tv there was a psychiatrist who said that BK is enjoying having the control to call the shots. It’s all he has left to do and he is going to relish in it. Paraphrasing and I’m not sure if it was a psychiatrist or another doctor or expert, but it made good sense.

 

[danablue1]

I think she has a book to promote.

But seriously, she only knew him around 2019 and he was then apparently keen to divert his interests into law enforcement or similar.

Whereas in Washington, he was giving off extremely bad vibes and the department fired him from his teaching positions and would probably try to discourage him from staying on. But they couldn't possibly know that he'd commit murder.

No one can read another person's mind.

I won't be buying any books. I have a problem with people profiting from tragic situations and misfortunes

 

[snooptroop88]

BK is starting to remind me of a not-so-intelligent and not-so-wealthy Leopold & Loeb, who kidnapped and murdered 14 year old Bobby Franks in 1924. A pair of students at University of Chicago, they wanted the perfect crime to show how smart they were. Loeb had always been a troublemaker, and when he fell in with Leopold, they were into all kinds and strains of crimes before the murder-- which wasn't "the perfect crime" after all, and they were caught and tried. Clarence Darrow submitted a guilty plea for them and managed to help them avoid the DP. Loeb was killed in prison, and Leopold continued scholarly pursuits to the extent available within prison, volunteering to be inoculated with malaria at one point for research on treatments.

THIS is more BK to me. Bundy fanboy BK looks way, way more to me like Leopold & Loeb, a disturbed "scholarly type" who decides he's just so smart, he can study himself into infamy.

He's a horror. And I don't care what BK says about anything, he'll say or do anything he must at this point to save his skin. I won't believe him later, either, because he'll say or do anything for whatever twisted purposes lurk in his psyche at any given moment. He's reprehensible. I'm glad they're doing this deal because that'll be the end of him. The only true words I know I'm going to hear out of BK are when he says he's guilty, so yes, I'm glad we're getting that.

Am looking forward to seeing how the other inmates respond to the pacifist rap! They're likely not vegans.

But maybe they're stargazers!

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

You know, I have to admit to having significant raging curiosity about some of the undisclosed actions surrounding the commission of these murders. Like where is the knife, for example. But even if BK were to talk—for whatever reason, at whatever point—why would we believe him?

He is presumably the only one with certain answers, so he could make up any old thing. He could say he threw the knife into the river that very night (as I have long pictured), when in fact he slept with it for two weeks and then put it into a McDonald's dumpster.

He could answer ‘Why them?’ without including a scintilla of truth in his reply. I fear some questions will just always be unresolved. Any answers would be apt to be a mixture of equal parts ego and control. In some criminal cases, ‘Where is the body?’ can be asked and you’re taken to corresponding bones, but with this case….’Was there a target?’ and the question just hangs in the air, even if by some fluke it were answered..

 

[jcamh]

I apologize if this has been discussed. I heard reporting today that hair from Kaylee's dog was found in BK's home/apt and I'm trying to figure out how that could have happened. I wonder if Murphy was in the room with Kaylee and Maddie when BK entered. DM said it sounded like Kaylee was playing with Murphy. Murphy could have been jumping all over the place trying to stop BK from hurting Kaylee and Maddie. We know he was barking. DM said she opened her door and yelled for them to stop playing so she could sleep (or something to that effect:. So, BK realized someone else in the house was up. I know Murphy was found in Kaylee's room alive with the door shut by himself, but is that where he was originally when BK arrived or did BK put him in there after the attack? If Murphy was in Kaylee's room with the door closed, I'm not sure he would have been barking so much. How did BK get enough hair on his shoes or clothes to leave hair in his own apt? My dog sheds like crazy and I find dog hair everywhere. I know I do have a lot of hair on my bedding from where my dog sleeps on the bed. So, it could have been transferred, but yet, we are under the impression that BK had on some type of work overalls to prevent getting blood on himself and that that outfit was likely discarded? I'm sorry I'm rambling, I'm just trying to figure this out. Any thoughts?

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940071836446036064

 

[jcamh]

I apologize if this has been discussed. I heard reporting today that hair from Kaylee's dog was found in BK's home/apt and I'm trying to figure out how that could have happened. I wonder if Murphy was in the room with Kaylee and Maddie when BK entered. DM said it sounded like Kaylee was playing with Murphy. Murphy could have been jumping all over the place trying to stop BK from hurting Kaylee and Maddie. We know he was barking. DM said she opened her door and yelled for them to stop playing so she could sleep (or something to that effect:. So, BK realized someone else in the house was up. I know Murphy was found in Kaylee's room alive with the door shut by himself, but is that where he was originally when BK arrived or did BK put him in there after the attack? If Murphy was in Kaylee's room with the door closed, I'm not sure he would have been barking so much. How did BK get enough hair on his shoes or clothes to leave hair in his own apt? My dog sheds like crazy and I find dog hair everywhere. I know I do have a lot of hair on my bedding from where my dog sleeps on the bed. So, it could have been transferred, but yet, we are under the impression that BK had on some type of work overalls to prevent getting blood on himself and that that outfit was likely discarded? I'm sorry I'm rambling, I'm just trying to figure this out. Any thoughts?

Repling to myself: I remember the police being asked early on if Murphy had blood on him and the police said no. Also, if he was in the room with them, there would be dog prints in the room. So, he must not have been in there at all. I think the dog hair that ended up in BK's apt. had to have been transfer hair. Hhhmmm....

 

[ChatteringBirds]

can’t tell- he may be the kind that can’t take prison- and takes his own life. It may be terrible to say- but to me that would be just peachy. His parents and maybe the victims could imagine he was remorseful.
I don’t think remorse is something he has the capacity to feel.

I think he is the type of person who ponders suicide and is at risk for it in the future, when one year of prison is blending into the next.

But for the sake of his family, I hope he does not do it.
Also if something happened to him, any answers would die with him.

I also don't think he will ever have real remorse for his crimes. So let him rue for decades that the rest of his life is without freedom.

 

[Poedelini]

Wonderful. I am content with the plea deal and realise it is the best outcome, but accommodating this piece of .... just feels wrong.

Jmo

https://twitter.com/x/status/1940071836446036064

 

[girlhasnoname]

Not deleterious, but earnestly reconsidered , to the consequence of autodeletion.

 

[GA_Peach]

I know that I am in the minority, but I love SG. He's been a fierce advocate for his deceased daughter and her friends. But above all, he has made clear that there's abosolutely no justice in the justice system. And unlike most people who are silenced into playing along with the game, he's been a very outspoken critic of it! My prayers are with all of their vicitms and their families today.

Sadly, I think today is going to be a very hard day for them. They are going to move into a new phase where they come to realize that there will never be justice. Unfortunately, that's how it works on this side of life.

 

[Poedelini]

I agree. It also shows how raw emotions and thought process can be. Not to mention that every person deals with things differently. It's sad to watch people judge them in this very vulnerable moment.

Jmo

I know that I am in the minority, but I love SG. He's been a fierce advocate for his deceased daughter and her friends. But above all, he has made clear that there's abosolutely no justice in the justice system. And unlike most people who are silenced into playing along with the game, he's been a very outspoken critic of it! My prayers are with all of their vicitms and their families today.

Sadly, I think today is going to be a very hard day for them. They are going to move into a new phase where they come to realize that there will never be justice. Sadly, that's how it works on this side of life.

 

[AngTxGal]

I know that I am in the minority, but I love SG. He's been a fierce advocate for his deceased daughter and her friends. But above all, he has made clear that there's abosolutely no justice in the justice system. And unlike most people who are silenced into playing along with the game, he's been a very outspoken critic of it! My prayers are with all of their vicitms and their families today.

Sadly, I think today is going to be a very hard day for them. They are going to move into a new phase where they come to realize that there will never be justice. Sadly, that's how it works on this side of life.

I don’t think anyone is judging SG as a person. I have the utmost respect for him being an outspoken advocate for his daughter and family.
I also see that his actions may impact all of the families and survivors while he fights for what his family wants.
His choice and his public voice isn’t better or preferred- it is his way. Other families react and deal in their own way. Their grief, feelings, and needs are no less important.

Where is a victim’s advocate in this situation? An attorney to represent all of the families?

We have to consider that the decision for the prosecution to offer a plea deal may work the best for some families, and the two young female survivors who were in the house. As SG comes forward with anger, saying the prosecution and court system has let him down…Is SG considering what is best for the other families and surviving victims- too?

I too am hoping for some kind of peace so all of the families can move forward

IMO