PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #401
she's weird in my opinion who wants to know what a cold blooded killer thinks. Hard pass

The FBI does, John Douglas performed a series of interviews with the most notorious killers to find out exactly what they think and why.

It is a section of Psychology, one my son’s girlfriend is super interested in studying. I don’t have the stomach for it in reality- but I do find it curious.

I don’t think it is a coincidence that women make up the majority in all of the true crime genres, as writers and creators, and patrons. We are the most likely victims, and I believe we spend our lives trying to figure out how not to be prey to the predators, and keep our daughters and friends from becoming prey.
It is empowering to believe we can out think them-

IMO
 
  • #402
  • #403
MOO He wanted a car when at his parent's rural home. Renting a car is expensive and eliminates any cost difference between driving your own car home and flying.
MOO He likes driving and taking a road trip with Dad is about the most normal about him.
But his parents both have a car. But he does enjoy driving, albeit not very well.
 
  • #404
  • #405
But his parents both have a car. But he does enjoy driving, albeit not very well.
IIRC, the Elantra belonged to BK’s mother’s until she gave it to him (possibly to use in Washington).

IMO
 
  • #406
I didn't get much out of Katherine Ramsland's appearance with Brian Enten tonight. BK was a good student - polite and did his homework on time. She mentioned she would be willing to interact with BK in the future. Not her exact words but - she threw that offer out there. Does BK listen to News Nation?
Thanks, agree! I did catch it on X later. I think she's definitely leaving the door open to engage with him later. I actually can see him trying to do that, seems they had a good rapport when he was in her classes.

Personally I would be questioning myself and what did I miss with this guy if I were in her position. How many other forensic phycologists/writers have had a student become a serial murderer? This may be a first. Imagine being on that side of the scenario vs the usual place of studying the behavior after the fact? Has to be hard to process since she is the professional. This is why I think he will reach out to her...

All JMO
 
  • #407
Even if the underlined page 118 listed in the search warrant return isn’t from The Handmaid’s Tale, we know BK read it, good student that he was.

IMO
 
  • #408
I think the good Dr. R is capitalizing on her association with BK as much as possible. Her reaching out to BK's family after his arrest, staying in contact and now making the media circuit rounds.

A lot of publicity for her, which I think she's enjoying to be honest. The whole relationship with BK seems suspect to me. <shrug>

JMO
Katherine Ramsland is a lovely woman and is very good at what she does, however, she is also very good at seeing an opportunity. She is known as an "expert on killers" and one just so happened to be practically spoon served to her with a personal connection. She's gonna scoff it as would we all (probably) if we were her. One thing is for sure though, she's no fool, and if creepy ghoul face thinks that he can deceive her anymore than he has already, he's in for a shock. She will have his cards marked and hopefully in time she will dig out some answers from his stone cold ugly head for the families.
 
  • #409
Personally I would be questioning myself and what did I miss with this guy if I were in her position.
Exactly!
Imagine what has run through her mind since hearing he was arrested, then how much evidence and discovery there is to come, then he was (hopefully) accepting the plea deal admitting his guilt.. I imagine she has pored over her memories of time spent tutoring him to see what "should" have triggered her spidey senses. I think she's said she was flabbergasted at hearing about it all

IMO JMO of course
 
  • #410
As a dear, departed journalist friend used to write--Some things I think I think:

1. Bryan Kohberger is a mentally and emotionally disordered person. If he has talked to LE about what he did and why, any part of it that isn't verifiable by evidence (e.g., the timing based on the Elantra on video) is likely to be a lie. I'll believe it when he says "guilty" to all charges but only because it's in his best interest.
2. Bryan Kohberger is a mentally and emotionally disordered person, part 2. When we talk about "motive" or his "target(s)," we are fooling ourselves into thinking we can understand someone who does terrible things because they gives him a depraved sense of pleasure.
3. A trial was important to me because I've thought all along that a guy who left behind the knife sheath with DNA on it had to have brought some kind of trace evidence home with him. And reading Appelman's book reinforced that thought. Why did he need to throw away the shower curtain? Blood? Dog hair? Fibers? And did he crave a trophy or two?
4. I don't care one bit if BK thinks LWOP is a picnic in the park or a night at the county fair. Bryan Kohberger is a mentally and emotionally disordered person (part 3). He is not a normal person. What matters is that he will never be able to kill in the outside world again.
5. His parents of course need to be in court. Aside from the actual sentencing, this is the last time they will see their son outside of prison. Because he is a mentally and emotionally disordered person (part 4) and they had been through issues like his drug addiction and other behavioral problems, they had a brief moment where they though he was going to get a PhD and live a normal life. He crushed the rest of their lives. They're victims, too.
6. It's understandable that some of the parents have been angry and hostile to law enforcement from the moment the murders were discovered. From the perspective of an outsider (not a relative, not from Idaho, not from the university), this case was solved quickly and handled professionally in terms of moving through the legal system. They got to LWOP and no appeals without a trial. He can posture like the depraved misfit he is in prison, like Watts and Manson and local W PA legend Stanley Hoss, who killed a guard when he was in prison. He can pretend to find Jesus or be a criminology expert. He'll be locked up with other depraved misfits.
7. There is nothing that will convince probergers that BK is guilty. See also the people who think the moon landing was staged. And (again, local to my area), the Biddle brothers, who were part of a robbery gang, escaped from prison because the warden's wife fell in love with one of them. They were shot and killed about an hour north of Pittsburgh. They were celebrities, with people believing them innocent and women lining up to see the bodies. It was "the crime of the century" in 1901. They had a movie made about them in 1984, over 70 years after their death, with Mel Gibson when he was in fact a star as Ed Biddle. So this proberger stuff is just the internet version of an old phenomenon.

Just my thoughts on BK. Your thoughts may vary!

MOO
 
Last edited:
  • #411
Thanks, agree! I did catch it on X later. I think she's definitely leaving the door open to engage with him later. I actually can see him trying to do that, seems they had a good rapport when he was in her classes.

Personally I would be questioning myself and what did I miss with this guy if I were in her position. How many other forensic phycologists/writers have had a student become a serial murderer? This may be a first. Imagine being on that side of the scenario vs the usual place of studying the behavior after the fact? Has to be hard to process since she is the professional. This is why I think he will reach out to her...

All JMO

I won't say much, but I had a similar experience about 30 years ago. So strange. I reviewed my notes. Nothing extraordinary. Just one face of many. No sign that he was a monster. It was really shocking. I found the case and added link.

 
  • #412
I was talking to a friend this morning, and she asked an interesting question. Do you think there is a chance that BK may be allowed to serve his sentence in a Pennsylvania prison, rather than Idaho, so that his family may be able to visit him more often? IMO, he doesn't deserve to be moved for his own preference, but I guess I would not be opposed to it, for them. They are suffering parents too. JMO
 
  • #413
  • #414
Of all things, vegetarian meals in Idaho prison(s) have been rattling around in my head. The web states Idaho prisons are very vegetarian friendly.

I’m glad I’m relieved of that rattle. 😖
 
  • #415
But his parents both have a car. But he does enjoy driving, albeit not very well.

Remember his alibi was “he was just driving around”. I’ve never heard that alibi before, but she used it. That is equivalent to saying that a suspect was ‘just walking alone on a trail, hiking on a mountain’. How does that fly when the suspect is alone, like BK was? Many people would escape being in prison if that was the case.
 
  • #416
The court is live streaming the plea hearing at 11 am MDT on their youtube channel here:

How To Watch the Hearing

The proceedings will be live-streamed on YouTube by the court.

Hippler on Tuesday denied requests by media outlets to record Wednesday's hearing.

"A live-steam of the proceedings will be provided by the Court on its media streaming account," he wrote in an order. "Therefore, the various requests by media outlets to independently video record the proceedings are denied."

 
  • #417
I was talking to a friend this morning, and she asked an interesting question. Do you think there is a chance that BK may be allowed to serve his sentence in a Pennsylvania prison, rather than Idaho, so that his family may be able to visit him more often? IMO, he doesn't deserve to be moved for his own preference, but I guess I would not be opposed to it, for them. They are suffering parents too. JMO

I think the request could be made by his parents. He has no other family in the Idaho area.
As a family of a victim I would be furious to concede on such a thing.
Maybe in time the anger will subside and he could be moved?

IMO
 
  • #418
maybe true crime isn't really your thing. mOO
I’ve been interested in what makes murderers, serial killers, and criminals who/what they are since I was a teen. To start, I remember going to the public library, and checking out and reading all of the Nancy Drew Mysteries, lol ! Dating myself, lol.
I’ve been a member of Websleuths since the beginning, 25 years.
What makes someone able to take someone else’s life? How does a serial killer’s mind work ? I’ve read so much literature and as many scholarly published psychology papers I have found. We can’t fathom killing someone, and then going to buy a coffee. Some people are able to do just that. No conscience, empathy, or sympathy. So very interesting to me.
 
  • #419
As a dear, departed journalist friend used to write--Some things I think I think:

1. Bryan Kohberger is a mentally and emotionally disordered person. If he has talked to LE about what he did and why, any part of it that isn't verifiable by evidence (e.g., the timing based on the Elantra on video) is likely to be a lie. I'll believe it when he says "guilty" to all charges but only because it's in his best interest.
2. Bryan Kohberger is a mentally and emotionally disordered person, part 2. When we talk about "motive" or his "target(s)," we are fooling ourselves into thinking we can understand someone who does terrible things because they gives him a depraved sense of pleasure.
3. A trial was important to me because I've thought all along that a guy who left behind the knife sheath with DNA on it had to have brought some kind of trace evidence home with him. And reading Appelman's book reinforced that thought. Why did he need to throw away the shower curtain? Blood? Dog hair? Fibers? And did he crave a trophy or two?
4. I don't care one bit if BK thinks LWOP is a picnic in the park or a night at the county fair. Bryan Kohberger is a mentally and emotionally disordered person (part 3). He is not a normal person. What matters is that he will never be able to kill in the outside world again.
5. His parents of course need to be in court. Aside from the actual sentencing, this is the last time they will see their son outside of prison. Because he is a mentally and emotionally disordered person (part 4) and they had been through issues like his drug addiction and other behavioral problems, they had a brief moment where they though he was going to get a PhD and live a normal life. He crushed the rest of their lives. They're victims, too.
6. It's understandable that some of the parents have been angry and hostile to law enforcement from the moment the murders were discovered. From the perspective of an outsider (not a relative, not from Idaho, not from the university), this case was solved quickly and handled professionally in terms of moving through the legal system. They got to LWOP and no appeals without a trial. He can posture like the depraved misfit he is in prison, like Watts and Manson and local W PA legend Stanley Hoss, who killed a guard when he was in prison. He'll be locked up with other depraved misfits.
7. There is nothing that will convince probergers that BK is guilty. See also the people who think the moon landing was staged. And (again, local to my area), the Biddle brothers, who were part of a robbery gang, escaped from prison because the warden's wife fell in love with one of them. They were shot and killed about an hour north of Pittsburgh. They were celebrities, with people believing them innocent and women lining up to see the bodies. It was "the crime of the century" in 1901. So this proberger stuff is just the internet version of an old phenomenon.

Just my thoughts on BK. Your thoughts may vary!

MOO
Point 5... Absolutely devastating
His poor parents genuinely have had 28 horrendous years with this idiot and my sympathies are also with them today alongside the other families and friends, BF, DM and the "kids" involved in discovering the bodies.
We are with you!
 
  • #420
I didn't get much out of Katherine Ramsland's appearance with Brian Enten tonight. BK was a good student - polite and did his homework on time. She mentioned she would be willing to interact with BK in the future. Not her exact words but - she threw that offer out there. Does BK listen to News Nation?
If she could stomach talking to him --- maybe KR could try to get him to divulge some things ?
Just thinking out loud.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
57
Guests online
3,041
Total visitors
3,098

Forum statistics

Threads
632,244
Messages
18,623,845
Members
243,063
Latest member
kim71
Back
Top