PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #110

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  • #481
Sorry but give me a break, he is a sicko so rational thinking doesn’t work
Why why why did he have an issue with women?
Why did he think he was so insignificant that murder was the only way to make his mark on the world?
Why was he so lazy or incompetent that he did not avoid detection?
Why were these four targeted?
Why a knife and not some other way?

It isn’t rational or humane at all- it is twisted f’k ness that killed four young souls and left the rest of us wondering why why why.
He was sick- broken and I can’t help but wonder why. And these questions would serve to understand and prevent future harm, but not a sign of caring a rat’s ars about the predator.

I hurt for the victims and their families, and feel fear for the survivors. They deserve so much more

IMO

The words of an emotionless mass murderer about the murders of eight innocent young women.

"It just wasn't their night,"Speck said."

 
  • #482
I won't say much, but I had a similar experience about 30 years ago. So strange. I reviewed my notes. Nothing extraordinary. Just one face of many. No sign that he was a monster. It was really shocking. I found the case and added link.

I believe I remember this! Thanks for sharing it along with your personal perspective.
 
  • #483
IMO I totally disagree with anybody demonising SG for his reaction over the course of this trial. It seems “everyone has their own reaction / way of grieving” until it’s SG. I don’t mean to offend but it has seemed to me like a huge double standard. Yes, he talks to the media a lot. No, his daughter was not the only victim. No, he should not violate the gag order and his relationship with the prosecution.

But I think, to an extent, his behaviour is understandable and in some cases warranted. I can see why he feels abandoned by the state, why he is against the gag order and why he wants BK to get the death penalty. It’s not irrational IMO. He has made mistakes and perhaps spoken too much at times, but he has EVERY right to speak to the media. MOO.
 
  • #484
I know, hard to believe, but for me, I will not really consider it closed until his sentencing hearing, when the victims' families and friends get to make their impact statements, and let him know that despite any wishes he may have to the contrary, he will not be remembered, but their loved ones forever will be. JMO
Bbm.
ITA.
Beautifully said.
Esp. the bolded !
TY.
 
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notice the flags at half staff, honoring the firefighters who were killed by another murderer.
 
  • #487
Because he feels like the court doesn’t listen to him. The media does. This entire reaction seems to have emerged from SG’s opinion that he & his family have been disregarded and “abandoned” by the state, no?

MOO.
I agree that's why he doing it.

I'm pointing out that he's being driven by feelings, and feelings aren't always accurate representations of the reality.

He doesn't know whether the court would have listened to him as he has elected not to participate in the hearing.

One can listen to someone and empathize with their feelings without agreeing with their positions.
I have no doubt whatsoever the judge cares deeply about ALL the victims in this case.

He doesn't want the court to just listen to him.
He wants the court to do what he thinks it should do.

JMO.
 
  • #488
Interesting what he said about the Kohberger family flying in to Idaho. Sounds as if he thinks this has been in the works for sometime and the victims families weren't kept in the loop or am I misreading his comment?

I would love to know if Kohberger's family has been visiting him the last few days? All JMO
 
  • #489
And I’m sure the media seeks him out because they know he’s upset & he will express his anger. I also feel for him.
Yes, the media vultures know who to focus on for the best capture ratings. Sad, but true. :(
 
  • #490
MOO Exactly he capitulated that he would be found guilty in a trial and dealt his plea for better circumstances in prison.

I guess what I am saying is that this guilty plea is a calculation of his best bet on likely outcomes and what his own best interest is, in contrast to pleading guilty with remorse and apologies.

I get what you’re saying.
That’s why it’s so important for the court to require him to fully confess.
 
  • #491
I agree that's why he doing it.

I'm pointing out that he's being driven by feelings, which means sometimes they're not accurate representations of the reality.

He doesn't know whether the court would have listened to him as he has elected not to participate in the hearing.

One can listen to someone and empathize with their feelings without agreeing with their positions.
I have no doubt whatsoever the judge cares deeply about ALL the victims in this case.

He doesn't want the court to listen to him. He wants the court to do what he thinks it should do.
That's not how it works.
JMO.
He’s accepted the fact the court won’t do what he wants. Now he’s processing it. This happened over less than a week. He’s allowed to be emotional, it’s a hard pill to swallow. How he acts outside the courtroom makes no difference to what will occur inside.
 
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Interesting what he said about the Kohberger family flying in to Idaho. Sounds as if he thinks this has been in the works for sometime and the victims families weren't kept in the loop or am I misreading his comment?

I would love to know if Kohberger's family has been visiting him the last few days? All JMO
I think if they could only afford one set of flights and visit then to come for his plea would have been the highest priority. They may need to hear it from him too. I can't demonise them for.coming at all. They've had 2.5 years to save for some flights and a hotel stay, I'm sure that is what any parent would do.
 
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He’s accepted the fact the court won’t do what he wants. Now he’s processing it. This happened over less than a week. He’s allowed to be emotional, it’s a hard pill to swallow. How he acts outside the courtroom makes no difference to what will occur inside.
Agree with all of this.

And all the other families have equally hard pills to swallow, and are processing it in their own ways, as well.

Grief manifests in many different ways.
 
  • #496
Thanks, agree! I did catch it on X later. I think she's definitely leaving the door open to engage with him later. I actually can see him trying to do that, seems they had a good rapport when he was in her classes.

Personally I would be questioning myself and what did I miss with this guy if I were in her position. How many other forensic phycologists/writers have had a student become a serial murderer? This may be a first. Imagine being on that side of the scenario vs the usual place of studying the behavior after the fact? Has to be hard to process since she is the professional. This is why I think he will reach out to her...

All JMO

IIRC, his classes with her were mostly or only online. Her intro class may have been real world, but it was a large class.

I ponder this a lot. Is that amazing top student in my current forensic lab...brilliant? Yes, he is. But what is he like, interpersonally? He gets enough points from his work that he doesn't need to try for the extra points that I give for interaction. He's very rational (including logic) and a good researcher. I have decided I won't write letters of recommendation for online students (they rarely ask for them, they know it's not optimal).

BK then gets to U of W and immediately starts having (lots of) problems in face to face classes. He has an "altercation" with a well known criminologist, lawyer and professor, who reports him and begins the process of expulsion from the program, IIRC. That prof has seen a lot. That prof was also the person in charge of the incoming criminology students.

When students complained about BK being a much tougher grader than other TA's, I expect that the prof spoke to him about it, because we then hear that BK responded in an antisocial fashion to the criticism (by then giving no comments and just giving an "A" to everyone). These are big red flags for any grad student. Then there was the part about interrupting women or ignoring them in discussion, which the women began to document in special notes they took.
All of this shows a severe lack of social skills and, perhaps, what young people are calling Main Character syndrome (which is in fact, a kind of derealization syndrome). I doubt that Dr R ever got to see this side of him - or spend time in conversation, looking him in the eye and speaking of sensitive topics, as one does in criminology.

I also wonder about the five witnesses recently called by the prosecution (and apparently vetted by the Judge in a closed hearing - but BK was almost certainly there. Actually, apparently it was 7 people from PA. The article below says that one of them (who must have talked to the press) remembers yelling and violent acting by BK:


It appears that the young prof who wrote his LoR for grad school was among them. One of the odd things said in that article is that BK never threw a bunch in the boxing class (his dad was taking it? he just tagged along for "something to do" as if he was being babysat? The instructor says he had no "fighting skills."

In psychoanalytic theory, one would then ponder whether buying a knife was a compensatory mechanism after all other attempts to be something like a soldier or a policeman had failed. I would think this indicates a profound need to be in control of others - to be "above" them or, even, licensed to use violence as a way of channeling the "crazy thoughts" he admits to in his adolescent writings.

I do wonder if his father, in particular, suspected what had happened (even just a little) when BK came home from Washington to stay.

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  • #497
I was talking to a friend this morning, and she asked an interesting question. Do you think there is a chance that BK may be allowed to serve his sentence in a Pennsylvania prison, rather than Idaho, so that his family may be able to visit him more often? IMO, he doesn't deserve to be moved for his own preference, but I guess I would not be opposed to it, for them. They are suffering parents too. JMO
I read up on this long ago. Idaho and Pennsylvania are two of the states that would allow this, IIRC, but the deciding factor is usually cost. For the rest of his life, does PA really want to support BK? Of course, it's no doubt cheaper because there will be no flights to ID for appeals, etc. OTOH, what's in it for them?
 
  • #498
I think if they could only afford one set of flights and visit then to come for his plea would have been the highest priority. They may need to hear it from him too. I can't demonise them for.coming at all. They've had 2.5 years to save for some flights and a hotel stay, I'm sure that is what any parent would do.
No judgment from me about them being there. I think his point is the timing vs their presence. I guess we will learn more about all this in the coming days...
 
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DBM
 
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This link worked for me to watch Brian Entin's interview with Dr. Katherine Ramsland tonight. It is about 12:44 minutes long.

At the end of the interview, Brian Entin asks her if she has ever thought about studying Bryan Kohberger like she studied BTK and she said that she has been thinking about that for the last 2 1/2 years and that if BK was interested, then she would be interested in working with him and studying him.

Of COURSE she now wants to study him. Sorry. Meal ticket.
 
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