Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - 12 Boys And Coach Still Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018 #2

[margarita25]

I know during a hurricane, the seas get choppy well before the storm comes in...not sure if that's the case here...

 

[JDG]

snipped for focus

jeez..didn't we just hear about how they had already brought in 4 months worth of food?

Its too difficult to get the supplies in and nowhere to put it. what about the waste produced too???

I really fear the outcome of this mess.

 

[creepcrusher]

According to the Guardian and other sources, there will be NO attempt to remove the boys tonight. Rain expected sometime tomorrow.

ETA: they are already at Saturday morning, so the rain is about 8 hrs away

Their last live update was written 7 hours ago. It is only 7:50 am there right now. They had that press conference around midnight, which is where I think the info is coming from. When they said "Tonight," I believe they were talking about last night. IMO they don't know what they have planned for tonight Thailand time. They are constantly changing their minds.

 

[Elainera]

Some sources seem to be saying, yes, today. Some seem to be saying, no, not today.

Hope that clears it up for you

Clear as the murky water in the cave!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Loads of photos and descriptions of the boys. Lovely to read

The 12 Thai cave boys: Brave young footballers stuck in cave | Daily Mail Online

 

[dyannaON]

But isn’t more water going to come in once it rains? I’m just plain confused. Jmo. I feel like a dumb dumb or something. I just don’t get it.

 

[Spellbound]

Bringing this forward, these boys.

Eta: if these boys don’t make it out this video will haunt me/is for the rest of my our life/lives.

Do we have a list of all their names, ages? I’m going to go back to the beginning a make sure I’ve read every post.

Thailand cave rescue: what we know about the boys and their coach

Ekkapol Chantawong, 25 - coach
Duangphet Promthep, 12
Somphong Jaiwong, 13
Mongkol Boonpium, 13
Chanin Wiboonroongrueng, 11
Phornchid Kamluang, 16
Prachuck Sutham, 14
Peerapat Sompiengjai, 16
Ekkarat Wongsookchan, 14
Panumart Saengdee, age unknown
Pipat Phothai, 15
Nattawoot Thakamsai, 14
Adul Samon, 14

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

What confuses me is, why do water levels rise when the pumps are turned and it wasnt raining?

Parts of the cave are below the normal water table.

 

[JDG]

Their last live update was written 7 hours ago. It is only 7:50 am there right now. They had that press conference around midnight, which is where I think the info is coming from. When they said "Tonight," I believe they were talking about last night. IMO they don't know what they have planned for tonight Thailand time.

Yes, its about 4-5 hrs old but the rain is coming at approx. 3-4pm their time, Saturday.

If the monsoon hits mid afternoon, how are they going to get them out??
I truly fear they have missed their opportunity IF the rains come.

 

[margarita25]

Thai navy Seals pay tribute to diver who died in cave rescue

*****
NYT article:
Thai Cave Rescue Will Be a Murky and Desperate Ordeal, Divers Say

"Interviews with the most experienced of the 140 or so cave divers from Thailand and around the world who are here to help have centered on a stark fact: This was already one of the most difficult cave-diving challenges in the world, and now they must somehow keep the weakened boys reasonably healthy in oxygen-depleted air while trying to teach them to attempt an underwater escape. One cave diver called it the underground equivalent of climbing Mount Everest — but with no guides to make things easier.

[Get the latest updates on the rescue in The Times’s briefing.]

Image: "More water pumps arrived Friday at the cave complex."
Credit Lauren Decicca/Getty Images

 

[Elainera]

But isn’t more water going to come in once it rains? I’m just plain confused. Jmo. I feel like a dumb dumb or something. I just don’t get it.

Me neither. I think nobody does at this point.

 

[katydid23]

Narongsak Osatanakorn, the governor of Chiang Rai province, said that rescuers were striving to free the boys and their 25-year-old coach, Ekapol Chanthawong, before it rained but would only do so if there was “minimum risk” to their lives.

“If we face the heavy rain, we must bring the kids out,” he told a midnight press briefing on Friday. “But if the situation is stable [inside their chamber], we can let them stay.”

Thailand cave rescue postponed for 12 trapped schoolboys


Thanks for this ^^^ article, Margarita.

I don't understand the bolded part at all. It makes no sense to me. They aren't going to bring the boys out, while there is no rain, and the water is lower than usual.

But IF they face heavy rains, they will. How can they bring them out if the rains are ongoing and the waters is rising?

And how can they wait long enough to know if the situation is stable? once they realize it is not stable, wouldn't it be too late to bring them out safely?

I really do not understand the statement above. :sigh:

 

[*Verdigris]

Here is the list of names as posted on Thread #1, by none other than our lovely Ms covermecagney.

Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - Officials Believe 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018

A list of the names and ages of the boys:

The boys are aged 11 to 16 and were on a trip with their 25-year-old coach, named as Ekkapol Chantawong, from their team Moo Pa - Thai for Wild Boar.

They have been named as:

Mongkol Boonpium, 13

Duangphet Promthep, 12

Panumart Saengdee

Pipat Phothai, 15

Nattawoot Thakamsai, 14

Adul Samon, 14

Somphong Jaiwong, 13

Chanin Wiboonroongrueng, 11

Phornchid Kamluang, 16

Prachuck Sutham, 14

Peerapat Sompiengjai, 16

Ekkarat Wongsookchan, 14

 

[bluedivergirl]

But isn’t more water going to come in once it rains? I’m just plain confused. Jmo. I feel like a dumb dumb or something. I just don’t get it.

It isn't you. The reporting is awful. I can't imagine a scenario where more rain does not mean more water.

 

[Elley Mae]

Thai cave rescue: Expert divers from UK to guide trapped soccer team out of cave

Thai cave rescue: Expert divers from UK to guide trapped soccer team out of cave - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Four expert cave divers from the UK will guide 12 boys and their soccer coach out of the flooded Thai cave they are trapped in, with support from Thai Navy Seals, authorities said.

The rescue attempt cannot be made today with attempts to free the boys put on hold, despite monsoonal rains resuming.

 

[Elainera]

Yes, its about 4-5 hrs old but the rain is coming at approx. 3-4pm their time, Saturday.

If the monsoon hits mid afternoon, how are they going to get them out??
I truly fear they have missed their opportunity IF the rains come.

The weather forecast I quoted earlier said Spotty rains possible, its not sure it will rain and if it does it might not be over the cave. Where do you get your times from? In my experience rain is rarely on time.

 

[Elley Mae]

It is believed 1.5km of the cave is still full of water. The rescue mission will go on despite the death.

The distance between a rescue base camp in side “chamber three” of the cave complex and where the team is stranded is 1.7km. In order to reach the boys from the base, a diver has to carry at least three oxygen tanks to reach them before replacing the tanks again on the way out.

Two of the boys and the coach are suffering from exhaustion through malnutrition, which could make it almost impossible for them to attempt the perilous journey, a Navy source told CNN.

Skilled cave divers are painstakingly teaching them to swim in preparation for a perilous escape, which involves pairing them with trained frogmen and leading them to safety through pitch-black water and narrow passageways.

Navy SEAL dies while rescuing Thai schoolboys trapped in cave

 

[keeleydoll]

What confuses me is, why do water levels rise when the pumps are turned and it wasnt raining?

It seems to be limestone, you can think about it sort of like a sponge under the topsoil. Even after the rain stops the water that is in the soil and the stone continues to seep through into the caverns and eventually through small seep holes in the bottom of the caverns.

So like if the rains seem minor, that water can show up hours later since it has to go somewhere and down is what gravity dictates.

**sources geology classes and a house with a flood prone basement in limestone land for 15 years**

 

[Elainera]

Narongsak Osatanakorn, the governor of Chiang Rai province, said that rescuers were striving to free the boys and their 25-year-old coach, Ekapol Chanthawong, before it rained but would only do so if there was “minimum risk” to their lives.

“If we face the heavy rain, we must bring the kids out,” he told a midnight press briefing on Friday. “But if the situation is stable [inside their chamber], we can let them stay.”

Thailand cave rescue postponed for 12 trapped schoolboys


Thanks for this ^^^ article, Margarita.

I don't understand the bolded part at all. It makes no sense to me. They aren't going to bring the boys out, while there is no rain, and the water is lower than usual.

But IF they face heavy rains, they will. How can they bring them out if the rains are ongoing and the waters is rising?

And how can they wait long enough to know if the situation is stable? once they realize it is not stable, wouldn't it be too late to bring them out safely?

I really do not understand the statement above. :sigh:

It probably means that the risk is still higher to make them dive in their weakened state than take a chance with the weather. Imo

 

[Elley Mae]

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