The actual vs. desired outcome

[JMO8778]

And lets not forget that "shack" they moved into after the murder - in Atlanta.

I think that was the one with the pineapple wallppr in the kitchen,and a painting studio just for Patsy.(correct me if I'm wrong).

 

[BOESP]

I think that was the one with the pineapple wallppr in the kitchen,and a painting studio just for Patsy.(correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm going to corroborate your story for you JMO. I saw a photo of John and Patsy sitting in their Atlanta home (the home the Intruder broke into in Atlanta ... sort of like what happened in Boulder, except no one was injured). Anyway, she was sitting in a Queen Anne-type chair browsing a magazine and John was sitting on a settee of similar style. Everyone should have to live in such a sleazy place.

Gee, corroborating is fun, isn't it? Now what do you think was the desired outcome of publishing a photo like that?

 

[Ames]

Anecdotal evidence -- I use a Sharpie almost every day. I rarely get the ink on me. Someone else here said the same thing. We've corroborated each other's stories. I'd swear to it under oath in a court of law. We've proved that Holdon's statement won't hold up.

Anybody else want to testify about Sharpie pens?

My daughter gets magic marker ink on her when she draws....but, then again.... she is 6.

 

[Ames]

LOL.I like your style.

LOL..thanks!

 

[Ames]

And lets not forget that "shack" they moved into after the murder - in Atlanta.

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell her about that!...Excuse me while I go and make a phone call!!!

 

[Ames]

I used one the other day to mark the pictures I wanted from my kids school photo proofs...after marking which ones I wanted,I put them all together in an envelope,then quickly thought..I shouldn't have done that ! Now they'll have ink of the front of them ! (we get to keep the proofs as part of the package),but nope...it dried that quickly.and yes,it was a black sharpie.and nope..no ink on me.

But the REAL question here is....Did anyone...a neighbor, a friend, ANYBODY...actually SEE you marking those pictures with a Sharpie pen? Hmmmmm? Did they? Because, if they DIDN'T....then there is no proof that you actually did it, just your word for it...I mean, since you didn't get ink on your hands and all that. :crazy:

 

[JMO8778]

But the REAL question here is....Did anyone...a neighbor, a friend, ANYBODY...actually SEE you marking those pictures with a Sharpie pen? Hmmmmm? Did they? Because, if they DIDN'T....then there is no proof that you actually did it, just your word for it...I mean, since you didn't get ink on your hands and all that. :crazy:

...ackkkk !!!!! no,they didn't. I guess that means it's not credible.
..I seem to recall a saying that goes something like this: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (in this case re: the cord,it just means someone took the rest of it,or there was none left over anyway).

 

[JMO8778]

I'm going to corroborate your story for you JMO. I saw a photo of John and Patsy sitting in their Atlanta home (the home the Intruder broke into in Atlanta ... sort of like what happened in Boulder, except no one was injured). Anyway, she was sitting in a Queen Anne-type chair browsing a magazine and John was sitting on a settee of similar style. Everyone should have to live in such a sleazy place.

Gee, corroborating is fun, isn't it? Now what do you think was the desired outcome of publishing a photo like that?

is that the one where Patsy had a funky new haircut? lol.

It reminds me of the last tv interview she did,where she was crying at the piano and driving a boat..what was the point? It came across as highly arrogant,IMO.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

is that the one where Patsy had a funky new haircut? lol.

It reminds me of the last tv interview she did,where she was crying at the piano and driving a boat..what was the point? It came across as highly arrogant,IMO.

I agree, but I get the feeling Patsy's supporters take that type of arrogance as Patsy triumphing over the media and the crooked, inept police and all of the rumor and allegations, presenting a strong and and resistant image of dignity, proof of her civility and graciousness and fortitude -all while weeping and crying victim of some intruding killer that framed her (showing just enough emotion to display her tender and vulnerable side.)

It's like this - "Even though they chased after her and accused her til the day she died, she still lived a wonderful life full of happiness and comfort many of us only dream of - you think she was involved in her daughter's death or knew what happened and/or who did it? You're just JEALOUS of Patsy and how rich and sophisticated and popular she was! She COULD NOT have been involved or have known what happened! Wealthy Christian women with opulent homes and beautiful children and loving husbands in stable marriages with no problems whatsoever simply do NOT do things like this! Someone came in and killed JB and now we have to figure out if it was LHP or FW or Santa and Mrs McReynolds even though they've all been cleared and the Ramseys haven't!"

IMO, it's really too bad the people I'm sarcastically stereotyping there don't realize they haven't described the real Patsy Ramsey, but the person she wanted everyone to think she was. I'm simply amazed by how many people cling to the facade the Rs painted despite how many chinks in the veneer they need to make excuses for, and how outlandish they have to make those excuses. Now the killer worked in a pineapple factory, and the years of working with pineapple destroyed his fingerprints - so that's why the Rs can't account for the pineapple as well as why there are no fingerprints from the killer where they should be. I laffed good and hard - and they really think that sounds more plausible than "the pineapple was already in the house and JonBenet was awake that night to eat some."

 

[Ames]

...ackkkk !!!!! no,they didn't. I guess that means it's not credible.
..I seem to recall a saying that goes something like this: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (in this case re: the cord,it just means someone took the rest of it,or there was none left over anyway).

Well...we don't believe that YOU actually marked those pictures with a Sharpie Pen...you have to either have had a witness....which you didn't...OR...an ink stain somewhere on you, which you didn't. We believe that someone ELSE marked those pictures, and you are just trying to take credit for it.

I really like that saying..."absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Makes sense...and certainly applies in this case....and also the case of Scott Peterson, and we all know where HE is now.

 

[Ames]

is that the one where Patsy had a funky new haircut? lol.

It reminds me of the last tv interview she did,where she was crying at the piano and driving a boat..what was the point? It came across as highly arrogant,IMO.

And the piece of music that she was playing was the last piece of music that JB had learned for one of her piano lessons, and Patsy had it memorized?? Yeah, right...whatever. Being a former piano teacher, I thought that the piece was too complicated for a six year olds fingers.

 

[Ames]

I agree, but I get the feeling Patsy's supporters take that type of arrogance as Patsy triumphing over the media and the crooked, inept police and all of the rumor and allegations, presenting a strong and and resistant image of dignity, proof of her civility and graciousness and fortitude -all while weeping and crying victim of some intruding killer that framed her (showing just enough emotion to display her tender and vulnerable side.)

It's like this - "Even though they chased after her and accused her til the day she died, she still lived a wonderful life full of happiness and comfort many of us only dream of - you think she was involved in her daughter's death or knew what happened and/or who did it? You're just JEALOUS of Patsy and how rich and sophisticated and popular she was! She COULD NOT have been involved or have known what happened! Wealthy Christian women with opulent homes and beautiful children and loving husbands in stable marriages with no problems whatsoever simply do NOT do things like this! Someone came in and killed JB and now we have to figure out if it was LHP or FW or Santa and Mrs McReynolds even though they've all been cleared and the Ramseys haven't!"

IMO, it's really too bad the people I'm sarcastically stereotyping there don't realize they haven't described the real Patsy Ramsey, but the person she wanted everyone to think she was. I'm simply amazed by how many people cling to the facade the Rs painted despite how many chinks in the veneer they need to make excuses for, and how outlandish they have to make those excuses. Now the killer worked in a pineapple factory, and the years of working with pineapple destroyed his fingerprints - so that's why the Rs can't account for the pineapple as well as why there are no fingerprints from the killer where they should be. I laffed good and hard - and they really think that sounds more plausible than "the pineapple was already in the house and JonBenet was awake that night to eat some."

OMG...you have GOT to be kidding!! Ummmm...yeah....the killer worked in a pineapple factory....and ummm.....all the years of working with pineapple destroyed his....ummm...fingerprints. Yeah, that's what happened. That's the ticket. That is almost as ridiculous as one of the posters over on another board, theory.....that Patsy let this group of people in, that were part of some child ring, and she opened the door for them, and invited them in....so that they could molest JB. She told them..."now, go ahead and molest her if you want...but, just don't hurt her", so they all go down to the basement with JB, and molested her while Patsy took a snooze on the couch. Patsy was startled by a scream...(the same scream that the neighbor heard)...and rushed down to the basement, only to be met on the stairs by one of the people in the ring, and he said..."we're sorry...it was an accident". And Patsy KNEW right then, that something had gone terribly wrong. OH WAIT...it gets even better. And then they all gathered around Patsy at the kitchen table and FORCED her to write that Ransom note. I am not lying...this is actually a theory of an IDI on another board. And maybe a space alien came down from Mars, and killed JB....sounds just about as likely.

 

[Solace]

is that the one where Patsy had a funky new haircut? lol.

It reminds me of the last tv interview she did,where she was crying at the piano and driving a boat..what was the point? It came across as highly arrogant,IMO.

Yes and lets not forget the one where she started playing a tune that was JB's favorite or something and the tears flowed. This coming from two people who say that have been harrassed by the media. So what do they do, they let the cameras roll in their home while she is playing and crying.

They really were the most bizarre couple.

 

[JMO8778]

Well...we don't believe that YOU actually marked those pictures with a Sharpie Pen...you have to either have had a witness....which you didn't...OR...an ink stain somewhere on you, which you didn't. We believe that someone ELSE marked those pictures, and you are just trying to take credit for it.

does this mean I don't get the pics???

I guess a fake ransom note needs to be notarized in order to prove the author? The following should be really reliable :


Sign here:
Patsy P. Ramsey

Witness: all Small Foreign Factions
Notary Public: S.B.T.C.

 

[Ames]

does this mean I don't get the pics???

I guess a fake ransom note needs to be notarized in order to prove the author? The following should be really reliable :


Sign here:
Patsy P. Ramsey

Witness: all Small Foreign Factions
Notary Public: S.B.T.C.

LOL...:laugh:

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

What, if any, RDI or IDI claims have corroborative (two or more) supporting arguments?

That PR wrote the note has only one: her handwriting is perceived to be similar by some experts.

That JBR was abused prior to that night has only one: her physical condition is perceived to be consistent with abuse, by some experts.

That PR owned the cord has only one weak one: a receipt that has the $2.29 amount on it. The corroborative argument was invented: a painting sling.

 

[DeeDee249]

*sigh*

 

[JMO8778]

What, if any, RDI or IDI claims have corroborative (two or more) supporting arguments?

That PR wrote the note has only one: her handwriting is perceived to be similar by some experts.

add to that the notepad,and the sharpie pen which was placed right back in the cup..would an intruder be so tidy? it was done out of habit,because that's what Patsy always did...put it right back in the cup.

That JBR was abused prior to that night has only one: her physical condition is perceived to be consistent with abuse, by some experts.

it's obvious Thomas talked to others about what they knew about that...he isn't going to tell who said what..
perceived???? no,it IS consistent with abuse,what else would you call a body with those types of injuries?? denial won't change it into something else.although it *could have all been done by Patsy.Add to that their odd statements in the interviews..

That PR owned the cord has only one weak one: a receipt that has the $2.29 amount on it. The corroborative argument was invented: a painting sling.

...and slings are used for paintings,Patsy painted,a paintbrush was used in the garrote,the paintbrush was taken from the tote, and Patsy's fibers were found in the tote and garrote..tape is also used for slings and JB had tape on her mouth...one thing leads to another...

 

[Ames]

add to that the notepad,and the sharpie pen which was placed right back in the cup..would an intruder be so tidy? it was done out of habit,because that's what Patsy always did...put it right back in the cup.

it's obvious Thomas talked to others about what they knew about that...he isn't going to tell who said what..
perceived???? no,it IS consistent with abuse,what else would you call a body with those types of injuries?? denial won't change it into something else.although it *could have all been done by Patsy.Add to that their odd statements in the interviews..

...and slings are used for paintings,Patsy painted,a paintbrush was used in the garrote,the paintbrush was taken from the tote, and Patsy's fibers were found in the tote and garrote..tape is also used for slings and JB had tape on her mouth...one thing leads to another...

Yep, like one big puzzle. You fit the pieces together one by one, and then when you finish, you have a picture of the killer.

 

[JMO8778]

Yep, like one big puzzle. You fit the pieces together one by one, and then when you finish, you have a picture of the killer.

it's amazing that Patsy never did a self-portrait.
If she has, I haven't seen it anywhere.